Baclofen and Exercise / Gym

[Bminor]

Baclofen and Exercise / Gym

I second what Lo0p said about cardio. I used to do the A.M. LISS session every morning too while cutting. I've lost 25 lb's of pure fat since Jan 1st and the most cardio I've done is a brisk walk outside with my dog for for 45 minutes or so 3-4 evenings a week... if that. I've probably got another 12-15 lbs left to go and I'll be shredded at around 190 lbs. I'm doing a lot of things differently than I used to though these days... I quit eating breakfast, fast for 16 hours everyday, mix carbs and fats in the same meals *gasp* and do a total of 2 sets per body part while in the gym no more than 3 nights a week. Since I don't drink anymore sometimes I don't know what the fuck to do with myself in the evenings.

[alexan]

Baclofen and Exercise / Gym

Lo0p;1098975 wrote: What do you do that requires you to stay fit?

And do you mean fit like military style (doesn't matter as much how much bodyfat you carry you just need to be able to keep going strong) or fit like aesthetically?

Are you a firefighter or a model or what?

New York + Numerous AfterParties with free tall Vodka Drinks = One of the Above

Good guess Lo0pster.

Except that everything would be all well and good if all I had to do was model and sit and give that goofy look like I do to the wall after taking Baclofen; HOWEVER -- I am also now doing a stage play -- performances start again in the middle of May -- Hence I need to get my "act" together! ::upset: :upset:
No way could I perform verbally everynight on Bac... and don't want to take the risk either. x

[alexan]

Baclofen and Exercise / Gym

Here Are My Questions

Lo0p;1096827 wrote:
https://www.mywayout.org/community/f2...ml#post1096827

Oh don't wuss out now! :H I had the electric shocks the second day and third day for sure.

My titration schedule was like this: 1st day, 150mg; 2nd day, 250mgs; 3rd day 250mgs

Definitely not for the faint of heart, but it worked! On the third day I fell asleep after only drinking 2 1/2 drinks. That was the first day I fell asleep sober in as long as I could remember!

You don't have nerve damage. You're fine. If it bothers you that much then slow it down. If you can stick with it for a few days your SE's might dramatically abate, or at least become easily tolerable.

Lo0p;1098868 wrote:
What are you on like day 5?

I am on day 9 now.

Lo0p;1098868 wrote: Could you repost them here?

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Hey Lo0p,

I went up to 140mg -- Initially I hadn't really wanted to drink for a couple of days but not sure what that reason is as I am also taking Nal if I drink -- and also at first I had been feeling nauseous and the thought of alcohol made it worse -- At one point I had bought a couple of beers but I couldn't get past the first beer and ended up going to bed.

However I am back upto 9 - 11 units of Alcohol these past couple of days due to a bunch of personal problems. My bac dosage is now at 110 - 140mg or so.


I was searching the Consolidate Baclofen Progress Thread but haven't yet found any posts from you -- of course the thread is 125 pages long!

As per the above: Can I ask you how many days in that series you stayed on that 250mg dose once you had achieved it on your 2nd and 3rd day? and you switched at 300mg??

I have honestly searched every where for your titration schedule but did not find anything about your "switch" either. I finally realized that on your alcohol unit chart, the 150 and 250 and 300 mean Baclofen dosages, but that's because I'm somewhat familiar with some of these numbers now. But it doesn't show titration down.
...at what level did you start titrating down? Are you now on a maintenance dose and if so what might that be? Have you tried to go down to a low dosage and has your alcohol consumption stayed at the same low level?

Thanks a Lo0oOOtt!!

[Ne/Neva Eva]

Baclofen and Exercise / Gym

Aaaahhh. Lo0p's tapering scheme. Nobody really knows. (maybe not even himself! yeah, that was a jab looped.)
Here's the thing. Look at the chart. Look closely. How much time did it take him to get there, and how much time did it take him to realize he was there? The man tried EVERYTHING. He worked his ass off (literally :H) and stuck to it No-Matter-What.

You need Murphy and bleep. Bleep's on holiday, and I'm awake, so I'll jump in. 9 days? pffft.

alexan;1100508 wrote: This same thing seems to be happening to me too now. I have started going back down on my dosage because the SEs are not enhancing my life at all. While I hate bothering the folk here and no one owes me anything, the answers don't come in fast enough and my patience on Bac is thin and painful. To top everything, the damn book still hasn't arrived from Amazon after 10 days of being shipped and I filed a complaint today -- if I had known this was going to happen I would have just gone out and bought it at some Barnes and Noble!

The book is a good start, for sure, at least it was for me.

There is only one SE that I had that enhanced my life. It was super-fun. The rest ranged from sort-of-sucky to OMG.
Your patience... :H I'm catching a theme. I'm enjoying it, so no worries. But seriously. 9 days? Murph did it. It took bleep a couple of weeks, I think. Maybe a little more. The SEs for bleep, well, check out bleep69:
https://www.mywayout.org/community/f2...ced-47077.html
You remind me A LOT of him. (minus the exercise. He's not a fan.) He scared the crap out of me. But here he is... (well somewhere in the bush atm, but he found the goal.)

I would humbly suggest that maybe you can find a relatively comfortable dose and go up based on a schedule. Dose at evenly spaced intervals. More often seems to help with SEs. If you've got to go down to perform, you'll be able to do that. Or maybe you can just take the stumbling, non-speaking parts? lol. You can play the town drunk! The jester! The bumbling wizard! Or maybe just about any part written by what's-his-name. hmmm. I forget, but since the playwrights are all drunks, too, there's bound to be a part, right?

I'm having a little fun, hope that's okay. Hang in Alex. Keep your eyes on the goal and jkttdp. (just keep taking the damn pills)
xo
Ne

[Lo0p]

Baclofen and Exercise / Gym

I really, really wish I had the time to go over this more thoroughly and give you a more coherent response. The following is going to sound blunt, sorry.

alexan;1100520 wrote: I am on day 9 now.

I went up to 140mg -- Initially I hadn't really wanted to drink for a couple of days but not sure what that reason is as I am also taking Nal if I drink -- and also at first I had been feeling nauseous and the thought of alcohol made it worse -- At one point I had bought a couple of beers but I couldn't get past the first beer and ended up going to bed.

However I am back upto 9 - 11 units of Alcohol these past couple of days due to a bunch of personal problems. My bac dosage is now at 110 - 140mg or so.

As per the above: Can I ask you how many days in that series you stayed on that 250mg dose once you had achieved it on your 2nd and 3rd day? and you switched at 300mg??

I have honestly searched every where for your titration schedule but did not find anything about your "switch" either. I finally realized that on your alcohol unit chart, the 150 and 250 and 300 mean Baclofen dosages, but that's because I'm somewhat familiar with some of these numbers now. But it doesn't show titration down.
...at what level did you start titrating down? Are you now on a maintenance dose and if so what might that be? Have you tried to go down to a low dosage and has your alcohol consumption stayed at the same low level?
Ne/Neva Eva;1100682 wrote: Aaaahhh. Lo0p's tapering scheme. Nobody really knows. (maybe not even himself! yeah, that was a jab looped.)
Here's the thing. Look at the chart. Look closely. How much time did it take him to get there, and how much time did it take him to realize he was there? The man tried EVERYTHING. He worked his ass off (literally) and stuck to it No-Matter-What.

This is it:


That's it! All of it. I didn't titrate at all. That's why they call me the anomaly. I don't think I am one ftr. I think if someone tried to copy my experience they might end up with the same result (or not ). You seem like a good candidate. In between 100-140 you're finding life what?...annoying and difficult? :H It was a fucking religious experience for me. Yes, it's a psychoactive drug!

I'm sorry I don't really have the time to throw this all together in a more coherent manner but You can find a little more of my story here (before and after this post): https://www.mywayout.org/community/f2...ml#post1060126

Each little black dot is a day. Where it says I ran out, I ran out! Beatle Fed Ex'ed me some more, but I must have been on 100-150 mgs a day just like you until my next shipment came in. And I drank, just about the same as you are now. When my shipment came in my dosages are right there. I have a mysterious record I found that may contradict that on my first AF day my dose was 300. It may have been 400 (I am not sure).


My dose stayed at 300 for at least a week and then going forward I titrated (yes, actually titrated) down over the course of the next few months to between 175 and 225. And I kept relapsing. None of it bothered me because I didn't consider drinking once a week and having a blast to be a failure. On top of that I was taking Nal every single time so I considered it part of my treatment.

By about April the following year I was binging 1 or 2 days a week and considered it to be a waste of my time so I upped my dose to 300+ where it remains today. Today, I drink whenever the fuck I want to and however much I want. Which is almost never and hardly anything.

The following I can't even qualify as advice. Your mileage may vary. You could end up being lucky like me or ruin some professional opportunities.

Re: titrating, IMO (really, I think I'm the only one that would say this): If you want to do this: (Wow 3 colons? Yup)

Ne/Neva Eva;1100682 wrote: If you've got to go down to perform, you'll be able to do that. Or maybe you can just take the stumbling, non-speaking parts? lol. You can play the town drunk! The jester! The bumbling wizard! Or maybe just about any part written by what's-his-name. hmmm. I forget, but since the playwrights are all drunks, too, there's bound to be a part, right?
Then do this (which is contemporary wisdom here and seems to lead to all the horror stories that abound):

Ne/Neva Eva;1100682 wrote: I would humbly suggest that maybe you can find a relatively comfortable dose and go up based on a schedule. Dose at evenly spaced intervals. More often seems to help with SEs.

If you can take a week or so sabbatical, try it. Take 200, then 300. You could end up winning the lottery or you could end up in the nuthouse. :nutso: All I know is what I did.

Next, regarding your motivation to keep up with your gym routine:

On Dec. 1st, the moment I realized I was going to be AF 90% of the time, I hit the gym and started my protocol. I already knew exactly how to do it and I got ripped to shreds in no time flat.
How in the hell, you manage to do that being the lush that you are boggles my mind. Cardio in the AM after 10+ units of alcohol just hours before...? :bow

Whatever buddy, you have my respect. It could either be just a difference in our motivations or maybe how sick I was and you are. For you it's how you make your living, that I can understand. I'm sure there's a lot more than that but only you can tell me (I'd be very interested if you'd indulge me).

For me, it was huge. I'd just spent the last 8 years of life with a demon controlling my mind, body and actions. I knew he wasn't a part of me and I swore to everyone that mattered that he was controlling me and I had no choice. My heart and my spirit were the only things that I had left. I could convey what I felt in my heart and my spirit to the people that mattered to me most (the people that I loved :h) but all that they saw were my actions and deeds. My words, the real me, began to mean less and less and finally nothing to them. That's when I decided to die.

From the day that I realized that I wasn't going to die and that I was finally in control of my own self and in turn how the rest of the world and the people I loved perceived me...I resolved to show them, then and forever, who I really was this entire time.

My body is a reflection of what is in my heart. When people look at me I want them to say: "Wow! Look at him! You can see that boys heart through his skin!"

Does that change/help my motivation to get up off my ass and go? The major point here would be: compared to yours? I have no idea.

I really don't think so. You read my baclofen and exercise thread right? That shit helps me it doesn't hinder me. I've spent the last year trying not to take an extra dose on leg day because I think it's cheating. It's explained quite well in that thread.

You've asked for corroborating experiences on the forums. You're not going to get much but from me. The only person here who lifts weights like we do is Bminor (I think), and I don't even know if he shares the same experience.

This is getting pretty convoluted and I'm running out of time so I'm going to do something I never do and hit "post" (without really even proofreading, so I reserve the right to substantially change something when I get the chance to later) because otherwise you won't ever get a response...There's more, trust me, but sucking this much of a response out of me when it concerns something I actually care about is difficult (ask anyone around here they know me well).

More to come, hopefully...

[alexan]

Baclofen and Exercise / Gym

Thanks!

Hi Loop,

Thanks so much!

I can't really read right now.

I had already tittied up the last 24 hours.

I can't even count. 220 this morning? 240?

I was writing everything on a sheet taped to the cabinet but I keep forgetting what I just wrote -- or did not write (?)
And I just took another 20mg so I could be up to 260mg right now (??)

Just threw up shitloads while writing this. 2 or 3 times. :yukko:
-- but I'm good. Feeling a little better now afterwards.

Hopefully I will read better later...

[Lo0p]

Baclofen and Exercise / Gym

And finally...just because I've had this post saved since yesterday (it was really easy to compose because it's more of a joke and I don't actually care about it):

How, exactly, do you get into the line of work that you're in?

Because I think I've got most of my bases covered...



Shower Curtain - WalMart - $12.88
Wrangler Jeans - WalMart - $17.88
Woven Faux Brass Mirror - Targ?t - $24
Towel Bar - Lowes - $5.99
Sexy Medical Alert Necklace - Some Internet Company that stole my debit card # - $8.95 + a new debit card
Goofy Face - Yours Truly ? - Free this time
"O" Face - Yours Truly ? - Priceless (edit: On second thought...you could probably buy it but it is NOT available in stores)

[alexan]

Baclofen and Exercise / Gym

270mg

At 270mg -- Heading to 300mg in an hour.

[ignominious]

Baclofen and Exercise / Gym

I'd like to sat something....

SLOW THE FUCK DOWN

You're committed, determined, bold. Right, I get that and it's ideal, perfect even. But Alexan the bac is going to build up in your system over the next few or 5 days. You've gone from 140 on the 17th to 280 (or maybe 300 if this doesn't reach you in time or you don't heed it) on the 19th.

Great ... but enough. Hold it there for a few days. If you still want to drink in 4 days time consider adding another 50 then.

PS Make great reading!

[Lo0p]

Baclofen and Exercise / Gym

alexan;1101098 wrote: Hi Loop,

Thanks so much!

I can't really read right now.

I had already tittied up the last 24 hours.

I can't even count. 220 this morning? 240?

I was writing everything on a sheet taped to the cabinet but I keep forgetting what I just wrote -- or did not write (?)
And I just took another 20mg so I could be up to 260mg right now (??)

Just threw up shitloads while writing this. 2 or 3 times. :yukko:
-- but I'm good. Feeling a little better now afterwards.

Hopefully I will read better later...

You should be able to read and think clearly. You should remain lucid and responsive and it shouldn't be that uncomfortable. If you're laying in your bed and feel like you've taken too much (ie don't want to move, can't sleep, can't think, extreme discomfort) well then...you've taken too much, but it'll pass in 8-12 hours or so.

And puking? You really still feel okay?

[alexan]

Baclofen and Exercise / Gym

Hey Guys,

I had already hit 300mg now and going to bed finally.

Thanks Igo and Loop, I'm okay.

Loop, I felt that way the first time going up from 0 - 140mg, the rest of what you said (ie don't want to move, can't sleep, can't think, extreme discomfort, some nauseous feelings) I felt that way the first few days then I went back down to 20mg and built back up -- but I had never thrown up before, hey I haven't even thrown up with Alcohol for last 8 years either so that's a pretty big deal...

Anyhow, after I threw up two or three times in a row -- and that was the only episode -- I was okay right after that, so I kept going up.

I am Lucid, but foggy and forgetful; and lazy and unable to get much done -- that's something that never went away this whole time on Bac.
I also keep drinking (albeit not much) to alleviate the SEs -- its taking some of the discomfort away for some reason. But then I normally would NOT be drinking everyday and would be going to the Gym instead.

I sure hope I hit my switch in my sleep tonight. ...ugh.

[ignominious]

Baclofen and Exercise / Gym

[QUOTE=alexan;
I sure hope I hit my switch in my sleep tonight.
Hope you do Alexan.

Please give an update in the morning. Just remember to press the lettery looking things on the rectangle slab in front of the television like thingy.

Best wishes. Sleep tight.

[Ne/Neva Eva]

Baclofen and Exercise / Gym

manomanomanoman.

I sure wish I'd had the cajones to do that. Just get it over with. NOT that I'm suggesting it's a good idea, of course. But I really sorta wish I'd done it.

ANYWAY.
Ig, LOLOL.

Lo0p. It's about damn time you clarified. Thank you. Much food for thought.

Alexan. Looking forward to the update. Be well. Do you know about chat? It may seem trite, but I found it comforting sometimes to log into that with a buddy to ... chat, when I was at really high doses.

:l
Ne

[Isolde]

Baclofen and Exercise / Gym

ignominious;1101296 wrote:

Please give an update in the morning. Just remember to press the lettery looking things on the rectangle slab in front of the television like thingy.

:H Thanks for the morning chuckle, Ig.

And Alexan, I haven't been posting much recently, so haven't chimed in at all here. In any case, the quick titration isn't something I'm personally familiar with. Just wanted to stop in and say good luck! You've got great guidance here.

Lo0p, I think you should've posted a regular pic with a subtitle saying, "This is Lo0p", and then the other pics with the subtitle, "This is Lo0p on bac". Nobody would ask about SEs after that, because, well, a picture IS worth a thousand words, no?

[alexan]

Baclofen and Exercise / Gym

At 340mg

At 340mg last night.
...Feels like I'm live blogging the Oscars.


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