Baclofen and Exercise / Gym

[redhead77]

Baclofen and Exercise / Gym

Winks;1102728 wrote: This is the important part, at least to my eyes:



Alexan, you are not yet out of the woods with the risk of withdrawal. It's delayed. Pay attention to your body. Getting a bit of medical advice is actually a good idea, but you if start to feel jittery and irritable, be aware that withdrawal could still hit you now, even a day from now.

Let's not have any brain damage on the forum today, eh? :l

I was reading through this a little earlier from my phone and now have a moment to jump on the computer. Thanks for catching that Tracy. I read that and my eyes bugged out of my head. From 340 to 0? I don't think he should continue doing what he's doing. All of it. He's now gone from being stupid to being completely dangerous. Why Alex are you playing Russian roulette? With all of it? What are you trying to prove?

[redhead77]

Baclofen and Exercise / Gym

I hope you're reading this Alex. I am going to offer you medical advice. Don't wait for withdrawal to set in. Go take a dose of pills NOW. If you don't want to take it, stop. Do it properly. Titrate off the drug. Don't end up the next case study of high dose baclofen in the ICU. Suffering seizures, intubated, potentially suffering cardiac arrest. It's not worth it. You can come off and return to the gym in no time. No gym for you if your a vegetable.

[terryk]

Baclofen and Exercise / Gym

missyabby1;1102748 wrote: Ask Loop.....have no idea how to send hard copy synopsis of what I have read. Are you being smart or just ignorant? You are obviously doubting my honesty ?? why??

I don't lie, by the way...nothing at all to gain

Missy

I'm just asking if you can contribute to the information on this forum. The two journal articles I mentioned are referred to many times as proof of the safety of high-dose baclofen. But they seem to not be available electronically. Since you've read them I was hoping that you could forward them to the forum (if you read them as scans through interlibrary loan) or at least give your own synopis of the relevant information (more than the available abstract that is). I never questioned your honesty.

thank you -tk

[missyabby1]

Baclofen and Exercise / Gym

sorry terryk,, just so used to being attacked here.....believe your request was genuine...sorry again...........once again I believe Loop is the best person to get info from.....I am hopeless at tech stuff. OOps Missy..............then again.?

My sister can get hold of any medical journals , and beyond abstracts, of course. Used to write them myself. You too I gather? My husband has just pointed out I may be being set up here? Sad. So ordinary. Anyway whatever , yes I have read beyond the abstract of everything terry......so your point is ?

[Murphyx]

Baclofen and Exercise / Gym

When people do stupid things like this it's just grist to the mill for the loony anti-bacers....as we have seen.

[Guest]

Baclofen and Exercise / Gym

Given the short amount of time he's been at such a high dose, he may have been lucky yesterday since he's not given his body time to get physically dependent on the stuff. Point is however is that it's dangerous messing around.

[Evey]

Baclofen and Exercise / Gym

The thing that I find really curious is that Alexan seems to have a lot of Baclofen on hand for someone who wrote that he found the Baclofen and he couldn't remember why it had been prescribed.

[Winks]

Baclofen and Exercise / Gym

redhead77;1102764 wrote: I hope you're reading this Alex. I am going to offer you medical advice. Don't wait for withdrawal to set in. Go take a dose of pills NOW.

I second this, Alexan. Even just a small dose today, just to be on the safe side, sounds like a good idea.

[missyabby1]

Baclofen and Exercise / Gym

Much as I hate to step in here and I will reiterate my concern for your welfare Alexan.

What is your concern here for Alexan here Murph? Are you concerned at all? Calling him as an idiot ???? Do you have any understanding at all for people starting this drug? would you have jumped in at all.............telling him to get some sort of medical advice? Or would you have just carried on in your usual manner......must be a nutter doing that... Do you realise what you say is so damn harmful to people? Do you?

I am not a fan of yours, and you make fun of that.i honestly dont care mate.......you are seriously a dime a dozen. But when you make fun of, or ignore the seriousness this young man has placed in your advice, then you totally disregard him.....as a fool to do what he has done? I honestly thought you would have jumped in earlier to reassure this young man and give him some aid. But you have just basically washed your hands of him..........and then gone as far as to accuse his status, once again, to precipitate the anti bac movement?????

[Murphyx]

Baclofen and Exercise / Gym

MissCrabby, you really are completely detached from reality aren't you? :H

[alexan]

Baclofen and Exercise / Gym

Murphyx;1102432 wrote: I haven't read the full thread, just your last post, but am I right in saying that you went from 0 to 340mg in 2 weeks and you feel foggy and unmotivated? What did you expect to happen?
And what are you expecting to convey to me by offering me such a sardonic, sarcastic, and borderline partronizing response? Piss me off? My question was very specific in that is this brain fog and reduction in mental acuity something that ever goes away with time. As usual, Murph, you have done nothing to answer or put out food for thought in response to what I believe is a very well-written post highlighting what I have been going through and instead you are waving caustic rhetoric?

I have not really had any side-effects after the initial 0 - 140mg period except that brain fog, which has never gone away even at very low dosages.

ignominious;1102473 wrote: Seriously Alexan

I think your 'experiment' was foolhardy and this attitude will get you or someone else in trouble someday. If you're looking for kicks, this is really not the best place to be.
No I am not looking for "Kicks"!! This is not a joke to me and I have been taking this very seriously. I had stopped all other activities and devoted my time and trying very hard to acclimate my body to this drug. I just don't think that if this brain fog is never going to go away, that I am better off continuing to take Bac. Because like I said, all other activities in my life, even the mundane ones, have ceased to exist.

ignominious;1102473 wrote: I think I don't know enough about your alcohol history to comment much more.

Its pretty simple, like I said I was a binge drinker for the last 8 years with many a bender thrown in, usually instigated by a night of hard-drinking that led to a "hair-of-the-dog" and so on and so forth.

ignominious;1102473 wrote: I think you've helped to demonstrate that baclofen is often a very forgiving drug

I will say that this is very true. All my fears were mostly unfounded, no matter what SE I felt usually subsided very quickly upon tapering down and/or discontinuing.

Isolde;1102620 wrote: Dude. Quick titration ain't for everyone, obviously. My advice - start over. Try going up in regular increments just a TAD more slowly. Maybe do some more reading here to see what kind of a ride others have had and what their experiences have been.
Writing off baclofen after giving it a half assed run for 2 weeks? Well, see the above replies, all of which I concur with.

I've been on bac since September. In December, I was still falling asleep at 9pm while sitting upright watching TV most nights. I did have a lot of fuzzy afternoons at work too, among other SEs. I found ways to cope as best I could and pressed on. It's only been in the last couple of months that the SEs have GREATLY abated. You gotta be in this for the long haul. Baclofen might be a magic pill, but it's not a quick fix.

That's all I have time to offer at the moment.

FINALLY!! A real answer. Thanks Isolde. While this wasn't a half-assed run; like I was trying to explain, for whatever reason and I don't why, I have not had any physical SEs per se past the initial 140mg titration period where I didn't know enough and was a little freaked out. But the brain fog was always omni-present... So since I was mentally in a funk anyways, once I got the hang of things and had a grasp on my body I started titrating up and I don't regret it at all -- the only problem is this mental fog that doesn't go away even whether I take 20mg or 140mg or what have you. It renders me COMPLETELY useless, I can't do anything other than sit on my couch and wait for the next day.

Ukblonde;1102694 wrote: I think what she is trying to say is that it's impossible to know what is going on for Alexan, we only have his typings.

He obviously needs to back down on his dosing and stay steady for 3 or 4 days until the side effects calm down. Even staying at what he is at for 24 hours would be an improvement.

He says he was a binge drinker, from his mumbled most recent post it sounded as if his drinking was/is very similar to mine. So when does back down I think he could still find it a little strange at first because it's going to affect his every day, but with time they'll settle down. At the moment he doesn't have a chance like this.
The only side effect that has never stopped bothering me is mental acuity. That's it. Its never gone away. This absent-mindedness, leaving things and coming back to get them and leaving them again (I know this is something Bleep went through as well), lack of concentration, inability to read anything, just not mentally present...or present somewhere else on another planet. I have stopped all outside activities, gained about 10 pounds and quite a nice mid-section, and do not feel well in general. Its like even the days when I wasn't drinking, I couldn't do anything else. There's like this cloud and feeling of "blah". Now like I articulated in my previous post which Ne made fun of, I can understand how for the daily-drinker, trading the daily alcohol haze for this "Bac-Cloud" may be a better option, but I'm not sure how it benefits people who are NOT daily-drinkers because this "Bac-Cloud" ruins those AF days completely.

Murphyx;1102778 wrote: When people do stupid things like this it's just grist to the mill for the loony anti-bacers....as we have seen.

Murph, once again, no factual answers or even anecdotes from experience... Just more mindless, empty and abrasive rhetoric.

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[Guest]

Baclofen and Exercise / Gym

Sorry if I offended you about side effects etc, however I do completely agree with your experiences of the general 'wierdness' around baclofen. I felt the same, stopped my outside activities and just hid in bed. It didn't go away even after 3 or 4 weeks on the same dose.

[Winks]

Baclofen and Exercise / Gym

If baclofen is not your bag, it's no big, Alex. Recently, Otter made a comment along the lines of what you said, that it may be better suited to people who would never a sober day otherwise.

You originally had talked about Naltrexone too. Have you tried it yet?

[alexan]

Baclofen and Exercise / Gym

Nal, Awesome So Far

I cannot say enough good things about Naltrexone. I have only taken it for two weeks, and because as per TSM its not an anti-craving med, only before I drink. It takes two or three days for your body to get adjusted to it at first (1st day 25mg, 2nd day 25mg, 3rd day 50 mg and then 50mg whenever you drink) but the SEs are relatively mild.

I don't know what happens when you drink on it... Its hard to describe and one has to experience it for oneself to really know: but basically you feel the effects, but not the euphoria feeding your rewards system. I went out last week for someone's birthday and popped one beforehand... I only had two drinks and had no desire to have anymore. Even the ones I had I was just nursing in my hand through no conscious effort. It was awesome. And I felt like there might be a light towards leading a balanced life at the end of the tunnel after all.

But I still wanted to give Bac a chance because I also wanted the occasional cravings to be gone once and for all too and go back to how I was pre-alcoholic. And I'm aiming towards moderation and/or complete AF anway.

But supposedly TSM and drinking on Nal does that rewiring to your brain over time as well.

[Cinders]

Baclofen and Exercise / Gym

Such good news, Alexan.

I tried Nal about 4 years ago and it didn't affect me that way at all.

I am happy it is working for you.

I orderd Nal online while waiting for my appt with psych. I am hoping that Bac and Nal combined will be a good mix for me.

It sounds like Nal works for you. Noelle got complete relief from her addiction from it.

Yay!!

Cindi