Another note from Dr Ameisen

[PbarE]

Another note from Dr Ameisen

bleep;1096330 wrote: Hi Road,

To answer your question, I have exchanged a few emails with Dr Ameisen. In the latest, he asked me to post this.

I am not too sure why he feels so strongly about the other methods, nor am I too comfortable with being a conduit, to be honest. However, I feel I owe the man, so posted this on his request.

He has said he plans to post here on MWO, although when is anybody's guess.

Your efforts are much appreciated, bleepster.

[eight days a week]

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I won't comment on other posts on this thread other than the first, I don't wish to get into all that.

I'll simply say that I don't think it's at all appropriate for Dr Ameisen to be passing messages to the forum through various folk. I understand why he would want to distance himself from posting directly (we've already heard that he can't keep up with the emails he receives through his website) but in that case I personally think he'd better not say anything at all.

Important messages should not and absolutely must not be passed through third parties.

I owe my life to Dr Ameisen's research, and in return I'll give my energies to what should be said and what must be said, where I can. This thread, to me's, just about the biggest warning sign that could ever go off.

This way of communicating is wholly inappropriate to my mind, and open to dangerous potential abuse, and could even cost lives, because it is so easy to fake his latest alerts with 'dialogue' like this.

[Winks]

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ignominious;1096266 wrote:
It would be negligent not reiterate this extremely serious SE of Topa in light of a new alternative which appears to have no permanent SEs at all. I don't see these as self serving posts but as posts by someone who is passionate that a cure he has discovered becomes mainstream as quickly as possible.

So you don't see the "urgent" warning as one of urgency regarding the medications, but the "urgent" part comes in because things are not moving quickly enough to suit the doctor's ambitions? So the "urgent" warning is really just the doctor trying to manipulate people through fear?

[Winks]

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bleep;1096330 wrote:
I am not too sure why he feels so strongly about the other methods, nor am I too comfortable with being a conduit, to be honest. However, I feel I owe the man, so posted this on his request.

You gotta wonder about a guy who sets up an unknowing, loyal follower to spread fear in order to further his own agenda. I hear that Fox news has an opening. Maybe the doctor has missed his true calling.

[Murphyx]

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Winks;1096464 wrote: You gotta wonder about a guy who sets up an unknowing, loyal follower to spread fear in order to further his own agenda. I hear that Fox news has an opening. Maybe the doctor has missed his true calling.

You gotta wonder about a guy who joins MWO posts 11 times and ten of them are anti-baclofen. Hmmmmmm.......

[Winks]

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Murphyx;1096465 wrote: You gotta wonder about a guy who joins MWO posts 11 times and ten of them are anti-baclofen. Hmmmmmm.......

Not a guy and on baclofen. Does that make me anti-me?

[terryk]

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Tracy?

[redhead77]

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:H:H:H

[Guest]

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terryk;1096518 wrote: Tracy?

Yes!

[Cinders]

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Oh, some people just have to cause trouble. They are petty and mean because they are miserable themselves.

Put her/him on ignore and we won't see her/his posts.

Cindi

[spacebebe01]

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I didnt know that possible blindness was a side effect of topa I am glad Im not taking it as I wouldnt ever willingly take a chance on loosing one one my senses, especially when there is an alternative, I have damaged my body enough by drinking.. I do totally understand tho about the fact that carrying on drinking will kill me, and do realise I'm taking a chance by buying meds on-line from overseas and using them without a doctor and I am willing to do this because I see no alternative way to remain AF, I have tried all the other methods available to me.
I also wonder though why Dr A doesnt just post these things himself?

[Murphyx]

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If OA were to have posted this warning himself he would have been inundated with questions from people on other subjects. The thread would soon be 20 pages long and the original message would have been lost. So he has asked someone with whom he has had an email exchange, someone he knows is a member of this forum, to post the warning message on his behalf. Previously he asked another member to post a message for him, for exactly the same reasons. If he kept asking the same person to post messages they would then be seen as the official Dr OA conduit, which would be incorrect.

This is just my opinion but it seems far more sensible than some of the utter shit some people have been posting.

[alexan]

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bleep;1095869 wrote:
Ameisen also states that, to the best of his knowledege, and unless proven otherwise, TSM and naltrexone are treatments that, contrary to high-dose baclofen, have NEVER been shown to suppress alcoholism in any single patient in the medical literature. With all due respect for TSM, could any body explain why the authors of the method have not published ONE single success in ANY medical journals ?

Hi,

First of all, thanks Bleep for posting this. You did the right thing. I was going to comment then right away immediately after you had posted this earlier in the day because frankly I was a little perturbed by what he said about TSM and Naltrexone. However, as you are aware these Baclofen SEs are starting to catch up with me with the Electric Shocks in my fingers while typing so all I did was type out that post asking about shocks, and then had gone to sleep and didn't get up till just now at 6pm!!! But I couldn't stop thinking about it in my sleep...

Anyways, I digress, as usual these last few days.
Here's the thing -- I'm not going to comment on anything else and wasn't before, but I'm not sure why he said that there have been no studies by the Authors of TSM and Naltrexone-Related studies. TSM uses "Pharmacological Extinction" and Naltrexone towards a de-addiction process that rolls back the addictive mechanism in the brain to its original pre-addicted state -- before the first drink was consumed; and There are Four Appendices in their book, "The Cure for Alcoholism" by Dr. Roy Eskapa, citing numerous studies and clinical trials, which are a lot to go into but I can list them:
Appendix A: Annotated Bibliography: Results with Naltrexone and Nalmefene -- Clinical Trials and Reviews, February 28, 2008
Appendix B: How Addiction to Alcohol is Learned
Appendix C: Sinclair Method Awarded a U.S. Patent -- Establishes the Research as the First to Suggest and Use Pharmacological Extinction for Alcoholism
Appendix D: World Health Organization (WHO) Statement on the Safety and Efficacy of Naltrexone and Open Letter from Enoch Gordis, Director, NIAAA (1995)


I strongly suggest for all of you to pick up a copy of this book or at least go to a bookstore and just read Appendix B: How Addiction to Alcohol is Learned

I am kind of disappointed to read his note and a little turned off by that tone he used towards TSM without seemingly knowing much about it. I'm not sure what he was thinking. ...Talking to his cult? ...I have never liked that kind of an environment.

Regardless, I'm almost wondering if I might be done with Baclofen for a while -- these electric shocks were the kicker for me and I'm not sure how its worth having permanent nerve damage. Plus I feel nauseous and just the thought of having to take Bac (it rhymes with hack) if I drink alcohol might be enough to make me want to throw up. Who knows? ...yet.

[Lo0p]

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alexan;1096824 wrote: Regardless, I'm almost wondering if I might be done with Baclofen for a while -- these electric shocks were the kicker for me and I'm not sure how its worth having permanent nerve damage. Plus I feel nauseous and just the thought of having to take Bac (it rhymes with hack) if I drink alcohol might be enough to make me want to throw up. Who knows? ...yet.

Oh don't wuss out now! :H I had the electric shocks the second day and third day for sure.

My titration schedule was like this: 1st day, 150mg; 2nd day, 250mgs; 3rd day 250mgs

Definitely not for the faint of heart, but it worked! On the third day I fell asleep after only drinking 2 1/2 drinks. That was the first day I fell asleep sober in as long as I could remember!

You don't have nerve damage. You're fine. If it bothers you that much then slow it down. If you can stick with it for a few days your SE's might dramatically abate, or at least become easily tolerable.

[Lo0p]

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Oh and there was one decent one published. I'll dig it up after I get some sleep.