Another note from Dr Ameisen

[coalfire]

Another note from Dr Ameisen

Your re-igniting my post traumatic stress disorder from having to study maths. I wouldn't mind but not bloody once in life have I ever been faced with a x+y= ? scenario. NOT ONCE. Why God why?. I have to click off this thread. I am getting flashbacks and feeling decidedly ill.

[Murphyx]

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Cinders;1099469 wrote: Murphy,

Different ways to look at the problem, they are both right mathematically:

30 given
25 required
2 pocketed
3 refunded
27 paid

25 Required + 2 pocketed + 3 returned = 30 given

is equivalent to:

27 paid = 25 required + (2 pocketed + 3 returned) total refund - 2 pocketed

Cindi
Nooooooo, stop it. Now I'm just going to wake up early again tomorrow and go through it all again.

It's hurting my head!!!!!

I am getting flashbacks and feeling decidedly ill.

You and me both CF.

In any case, he should be fired. Who cares where this mystery dollar went? We know damn well where two of them did.

Yeah, quite right Lo0p, sack the git!!!

[Otter]

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bleep;1099173 wrote: Florie, really sorry to hear that you are finding the SE's untenable. Perhaps, having reached indifference, there will be a residual effect? No idea really, just hoping.

All the best in your ongoing fight.

Regarding aggression - I've completely lost my road rage on baclofen. I used to get to work every morning apoplectic with fury at the drivers I was forced to share the roads with. Now, I melt through traffic with a smile on my face.

Most violence in society these days results from alcohol, so they say. Actually, it results from lack of alcohol. Alcohol calms you down. As it wears off you become violent...after bars/pubs close and people stop drinking Alcohol is an anxiolytic, so is Baclofen.

Therefore, Baclofen is a "cure" for violence. Think about it.

[Guest]

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In my experience violence happened whilst very drunk, usually on the way or in blackout. Often with plenty of supplies around, same for a drinking boyfriend I had at one time. He'd lash out drunk, but as the alcohol wore off he'd become placid again.

[Otter]

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Ukblonde;1099634 wrote: In my experience violence happened whilst very drunk, usually on the way or in blackout. Often with plenty of supplies around, same for a drinking boyfriend I had at one time. He'd lash out drunk, but as the alcohol wore off he'd become placid again.

So, you go to the pub, have a pint and then feel like beating the sh.t out of someone? Or is it the case that people spill out onto the streets after they have finished drinking and sometime thereafter all hell breaks loose; an unfortunate scene played out in every town and city in the world.

Actually, if you keep drinking, you pass out, which makes it difficult to be violent.

Anyway, it was just a thought, not a universal axiom.

[Lo0p]

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So does anybody know the solution to the riddle?...I haven't heard it yet.

I'm a waiter. I work tonight. I'll ask my coworkers.

[Otter]

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Florieanne;1098754 wrote: Terryk,
I spent a lot of time reading those SCI & MS forums because I have real bad cognitive SE. So I did it for myself, during the two weeks I wasn't on MWO, with no idea that I would need the references later on. And I am definitely not going to spend those long hours of research again.
So believe or question what you will.

As for the hearsay, I 'm quite sure they are reliable. Why would any ex-alcoholic cured thanks to bac start questionning Ameisen's mental health? We're here talking about people who've worked or had personnal mail exchanges with him.
Besides there is more to those "hearsay" than what has been published on the board.

It will take about a decade for doctors to have facts and scientific evidence about bac SE on alcoholics. The only person who's been taking bac long enough to give us some insight is Ameisen, but so far he hasn't proved very helpful on that matter.

There are some people who are completely AF thanks to bac. That's really great.
Otter who's completely pro-bac has reckoned relapsing heavily while on bac can be horrendous. Which confirms what I had read on the SCI & MS forums. And yet the advice is still to go on drinking while tappering up the doses. Why?
F.

Hi,

I would prefer you not quote me out of context.

Relapsing while not on Bac is far, far worse. Taking Baclofen while drinking is less dangerous than drinking more while drinking. Trying to stop someone drinking who is in an alcoholic cycle of bingeing is incredibly difficult but possible with Baclofen.

I don't mean to sound cruel but I don't think you have got your head around Baclofen at all. It may be that it is interfering with your job and I can understand why you may want to come off it. But making a conscious decision to try something else does not mean the theory behind Baclofen is wrong.

Baclofen is a treatment for alcoholism without equal. It is a treatment for alcohol withdrawal without equal. It can stop a binge within a few hours. If you take it long enough the side effects go away. The mental impairment can be dealt with by taking the doses in amounts that don't give you the side effects and at intervals which keep you stable, not drinking and without side effects. Many of the side effects are as a result of not taking enough Baclofen, rather than taking too much.

The problem with some people who take Baclofen is that they are hiding booze around the house and pretending to take the Baclofen because, believe it or not, they have an addiction to alcohol and they just don't want to give up the drink and don't like being told to take their medicine.

As far as Dr. Ameisen is concerned, he has made a seminal discovery for which thousands, and soon hundreds of thousands of people will thank him. I put down his behaviour to being driven mad by all this nonsense he is reading on these forums. I know it upsets me to read misleading posts, misinformation, scaremongering, slander, backbighting on a forum where people come for support. I cannot imagine what it is like for him to see people misrepresenting what he has done when he is trying to help people and make this into a mainstream medication.

Getting to the right dose is very difficult if you have to fly to Spain every so often to buy it because you do not want to rely on internet supplies. It is also difficult if no doctor in the country gives a damn about alcoholism and even the few who do don't understand Baclofen treatment.

I have not hammered away on this forum and at my wife, and taken the stuff myself, because it works better than Topa or Nal or L-Glutamine. I have done this because it is as much a "cure" for this illness as any medication can be.

Millions of people take cancer treatments such as chemotherapy. Are they "cures"? NO. Their hair falls out and many die but do people stop because of side effects or scaremonger. Part of all of this is the recognition that this is a "movement". It makes a huge difference to someone suffering from a brain disorder which results in them feeling so anxious that they are killing themselves with drink, that there IS hope and that there are people out there who support their treatment.

Some people who have left this forum have left, not because Baclofen does not work but because the negative, questioning attitude of a lot of people here puts their recovery, on Baclofen, at risk. Very sad.

Having said that, I don't think it is right to look back and say things were better a while back. Last September to November was awful here. We now have a growing number of people who have been sober for some time and are able to testify to the success of the drug. Much of what I was saying over the past year about Baclofen working was based on seeing it abate drinking or stop it for a period of time between relapses. What has made a huge difference is support here, family support, professional medical support, understanding of the dosage. All of this has made much of the anxiety of "being" an alcoholic dissipate. My wife said yesterday that she was not an alcoholic. Strange but that is now her view of herself. She always had this anxiety disorder and it was always ignored and she was written off.

Think about it...how important self respect is. Forget about going to psychiatrists to tell you that you are actually ok when everyone is laughing up their sleeves at you because you are a drunk. If you can look in the mirror and say, "I am not an alcoholic", that is the best medicine you can find and it is possible with Baclofen.

Best wishes

[_serenity_]

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Solution: The riddle is deliberately misleading.

The $27 that the women paid ALREADY includes the $2 that the waiter pocketed. The actual bill is $25 but the waiter tells them it is $27 and pockets the $2. So when the riddle acts like the $2 needs to be added to that total, it is leading you in the wrong direction.

[coalfire]

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Do you think your wife would benefit from posting here too Otter?

[Otter]

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She is very private, part of the anxiety syndrome. She does not use computers and does not answer the phone. She says she will post some time. I wish she would.

Murphyx, I thought the answer was 42.

[Otter]

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_serenity_;1099661 wrote: Solution: The riddle is deliberately misleading.

The $27 that the women paid ALREADY includes the $2 that the waiter pocketed. The actual bill is $25 but the waiter tells them it is $27 and pockets the $2. So when the riddle acts like the $2 needs to be added to that total, it is leading you in the wrong direction.

You don't get this sort of problem if you use a credit card.

[coalfire]

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You never know..if you got her started it might help her. I understand though that its not for everyone.

[Otter]

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She is doing very well now She is making sure I take my Baclofen at regular intervals! lol I don't want to push her to do something she does not feel comfortable with, particularly with all the unfinished business we have to sort out.

Cheers

I am off to bed!

[Guest]

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People fight when drunk because their inhibitions are removed, along with sense of judgment. Yes mass exodus onto streets at 11pm/3am isn't great but until bars are open 24/7 then it's inevitable.

In the meantime lots of violence occurs in the homes of drinkers, behind closed doors without them being tipped out onto the streets. Either between friends, lovers, families or simply nasty drunk dials/emails/texts. Sometimes drunk people will go looking for trouble. Either way drunk people together, and drunk people with anyone else in the vicinity will often end in violence because of the way in which alcohol affects the brain. I've seen the violence alcohol causes in just about every situation you can imagine, city centres stick in the mind because it's visible/

Altering closing times would minimise incidents around closing time, in city centres/outside pubs.

Yes you could simply feed them more alcohol until they pass out instead of course, but then you might have problems of a different kind on your hands.

Ho Hum.

[Cinders]

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_serenity_;1099661 wrote: Solution: The riddle is deliberately misleading.

The $27 that the women paid ALREADY includes the $2 that the waiter pocketed. The actual bill is $25 but the waiter tells them it is $27 and pockets the $2. So when the riddle acts like the $2 needs to be added to that total, it is leading you in the wrong direction.

The riddle asked where the extra dollar went. The answers given by Winks, Murphy and myself answer that.

Cindi