Announcement

Collapse
No announcement yet.

So, What's Up with the Troll?

Collapse
X
 
  • Filter
  • Time
  • Show
Clear All
new posts

    So, What's Up with the Troll?

    LadyLush;1106254 wrote:
    You did not post the 3rd through the 23rd...Winks stopped on the 23rd and you started up on the 24th?
    Us angry Bacofans are stupid too:H

    Stupid, maybe not. Easily influenced . . . hmmm. I dunno. But maybe it?s not the baclofen. :H

    I know how difficult it is to reflect a dialect in fiction. It?s impossible to pull off in RT written communication since, given a certain accent, ?I? might sound like ?oi? to my ear, but the speaker still writes it as ?I.? You know, the written language, as well as the history and dialects of English, are kind of my gig.

    I am simply someone who is (and has been in the past) very concerned about the real-life harm that has happened to real-life people as the result of discussions on this forum. I am also (and have been in the past) very concerned about the evangelical nature of certain baclofen folk. Lately I learned about the spammer type complaints that led to be me banned under ?TracyA,? and I could have gotten that name back. But I found better ways to use the bit of power that comes from being a paid member of MWO (see below).

    But - That?s it. That?s all. My evil agenda is laid right out there!

    And, flippin? blowing me away, I finally got the attention of someone in admin. I gather that the whole forum thing has been farmed out to people who are clueless about what is really happening here, and the whole situation has successfully been manipulated by some people ? but those days are coming to an end. That admin person is asking me what I would like to seen done about all
    the things I have written about previously.

    What should I tell that person? Thoughts? Concerns? Ideas?

    As to who this other poster is, I have an idea. One of the suggestions I would like to make to the interested admin person is to scan the IPs of the baclofen ?promoters? and locate those that have multiple screen names attached to one ISP. (Prepare for a grand RUSH of deleted posts!) That would make it pretty simple to discover who all posts here for the sole purpose profiting from the unwary and desperate newcomers who visit MWO. It would also prove my innocence as to NOT being the poster with zero command and understanding of the English language, and it would lead to the question:

    Who IS that poster? I think I know.

    Would any one of you tried-and-true, baclofen-holy-grailsters care to venture a guess? I am thinking that they are from a man who is being ?crucified.? That?s my first guess anyway.

    But I am pretty certain that it is one of you ?bacsters.? One of you who completely freaks out when presented with the real damage that discussion of baclofen here has actually caused to real people; one of you who is incessantly obsessed with attracting newcomers to try the ?high-dose baclofen? cure; one of you who endeavors to put baclofen in the very best, brightest light, despite it?s history of failings on MWO; one of you who is determined to bury the fact that very few care to stay on high-dose baclofen long-term; one of you who would like to altogether quash the nasty results that some people have suffered. There are so MANY candidates to choose from! The floor is open for nominations. But like I said, I think I know.

    But the important part to me: I have been asked what MWO should do to curb all the bad things that I have seen in the last six months. I really would like some ideas on that. If you all want to be a real community rather than a multi-threaded advertisement, here?s your chance! I emphatically encourage everyone who has ever tried it (successful or not), and everyone who has merely witnessed what I have seen here, to join in! I would really like newcomers and lurkers to see the real deal - not the hyped-up, picture pretty, baclofen=world peace, sell-sell-sell that IS what I see so much of now (and have in the past).

    And, just in case it escaped anyone?s notice, I?m pretty tenacious when I see people victimized. Likewise when I see the potential for such victimization. Just ask MWO admin about that. They?ll tell you.

    And, Lush, I have not spent the last five days just twiddling my fingers. Nor have I been trolling (not much troll in me anyway. I?m too much ?my-face-in-your-face? for that kind of nonsense). But thanks for the nomination.

    #2
    So, What's Up with the Troll?

    As much as I HATE to do this Tracy I am taking the bate. You are accusing Murphy. Quit changing screen names... and why? Please let us get this straight. And I will stay with him til the day I die, he has kept me alive.
    I think you are so bright and offered so much, if I am wrong I WILL GROVEL.




    LADY
    The hardest arithmetic to master is that which enables us to count our blessings.

    *Don't look where you fall, look why you slipped*

    Comment


      #3
      So, What's Up with the Troll?

      LadyLush;1106331 wrote: As much as I HATE to do this Tracy I am taking the bate. You are accusing Murphy. Quit changing screen names... and why?

      Definitely not, and I doubt Murph would say so. I like Murph a lot, and I do believe that he knows that.

      I started as TracyA back in 2006. I opened topsy-turvy in 2010 when I could not remember how to access TracyA. Admin later helped me with that, and I switched back to TracyA - announcing it fully and carrying it on my sig line for a some time after that (nothing socky and no one was banned).

      I started using "winks" after I was
      banned to due to spam-style complaints. MWO admin knows all this (now). See Zenstyle for more info on how the spam-style complaint thing works (but Murph already knows about that because I told him).

      I could have, easily, gotten TracyA back. I decided to use my limited leverage another way. Now I have admin's attention, and I am very much delighted that someone is FINALLY listening.

      Lush, I asked several questions in my opening post. Would you like to contribute to some possible answers?

      Comment


        #4
        So, What's Up with the Troll?

        No bate necessary, you took it. WHY?
        The hardest arithmetic to master is that which enables us to count our blessings.

        *Don't look where you fall, look why you slipped*

        Comment


          #5
          So, What's Up with the Troll?

          I loved you TracyA, You had so much to give and offer. So I am wrong about lost & found?
          The hardest arithmetic to master is that which enables us to count our blessings.

          *Don't look where you fall, look why you slipped*

          Comment


            #6
            So, What's Up with the Troll?

            LadyLush;1106355 wrote: I loved you TracyA, You had so much to give and offer. So I am wrong about lost & found?
            I don't who that is. It's not me though.

            Lush, the really IMPORTANT part me is the questions I asked (that I need to respond to). They are important. Very real people have been hurt in all that. How can we prevent that from happening again? Any ideas?

            If *you* want to be sure that I am not "lost&found," you might ask Karen. I think she knows.

            Comment


              #7
              So, What's Up with the Troll?

              This is ridiculous.

              I am SO fed up with the "Us vs. Them" bullshit! Nobody here has a goddamn agenda. Well, at least that's what I thought until I saw this thread.

              I haven't seen anyone beaten down or villified for saying negative things about bac. In fact, I really haven't seen anyone SAY negative things about bac. Sure, there's been the whole debate about AA or the ODAT mentality vs. taking a pill and being as close to cured as some of us think we can be. And no, it's not the way for everyone. But you know what? That's why there's a separate Meds forum! In any case, I don't see who in the world could possibly have to profit by bac only being talked about in a positive light.

              A quick titration on high dose bac HAS saved some people's lives. Nobody is suggesting (or ever has suggested!) that route for everyone though.

              This used to be a fun supportive forum where people who were taking a medication to help stop their dependency on AL could come and share and learn. What the fuck has happened to it lately?
              I generally don't waste my time and energy by getting involved with the petty bickering, but this is really getting absurd. I no longer wonder why some people choose to leave.

              And for anyone who posts here under more than one username, pretending to be someone other than they are, I have zero
              respect for you.

              That's all I have to say.
              Better Living Through Chemistry

              Switched at 180mgs of Baclofen on 1/31/11, and again on 10/8/11 at 200mgs.

              Could've been a swan on a glassy lake, could've been a gull in a clipper's wake. Could've been a ladybug on a windchime, but she was born a dragonfly.
              ~Clutch

              Comment


                #8
                So, What's Up with the Troll?

                Its been my policy for some time to ignore everything you say. You have a degree of intelligence that at first can make your arguments and points of views appealing. After all is said and done your opinions lead to a similar conclusion which is dissent and unpleasantness. I have yet to see you play out a positive role. Intellectually I hope you would like to but you unfortunately appear to be driven in a different direction.

                We all have issues to deal with in our lives, some of us more than others, and I generally have found MWO to be a supportive environment in which to look at my issues. In pms, I have asked you to enter the spirit of self discovery to no avail but I will ask you here again. Please Tracy, for your sake, look at the reasons why you continuously get into fights and try to work on them. For decades, I suspect, you have been picking fights and continuing to be less than satisfied with your life. I don't believe anyone can really think this is as good as it gets.

                This is your thread Tracy so collateral damage is limited! There are many people here who I'm sure will give you a lot of support should you try to improve your life. My sympathies go to you and hope that these words are not in vain.
                Started Baclofen 3/9/10 Hit my switch at 250mg on 21/11/10 Present maintenance dose of 50mg : started drinking after 1 year, upped dose to 80mg and stopped: Tapered to 30mg, started 6 months of drinking, upped dose to 240mg to stop 12/7/12

                Comment


                  #9
                  So, What's Up with the Troll?

                  I agree this used to be a fun supportive group, but Is, I know for a fact that many people stopped posting because of the negativity. The psychosomatic thread and others of the same ilk, basically people with individual/unique experiences espousing that this is THE WAY the truth and the life, and that anyone not willing to stomach the side effects are weak and not paying attention to the TAKE THE DAMN PILLS regimen. The latter which started out in good style, bacsters reminding bacsters that the bac brain has addled their dosage and they need to just keep on. Or so I think/thought. And then there are the people who flip back and forth, depending on who they want to agree with at the time. It's not helpful to newbies, nor to anyone wanting to figure their WO.

                  I think the tone here has changed in the past few months for the combative/negative as a result, and several people have PM'd me to discuss it.

                  We are all sensitive people or we wouldn't be here. Email and posting online can be cold environment for content, and no emoticons can really equalize that.

                  It's so important to be considerate and kind to the point of not giving your opinion ... no matter how much you feel it needs to be heard, sometimes it's just your ego. The dismissive stuff, for example, referring to PM's or threads I haven't read, confuse and irritate me. I can't read the entire MWO forum, so sue me, but really, there are so many of these type of attacks - not related to Tracey in particular, I might add.

                  Just wish the hate would leave the room.

                  Comment


                    #10
                    So, What's Up with the Troll?

                    Hi Tracy, just wondering why you would think the troll is one of the bacsters. As far as I could see the troll was attacking bacsters. Am I missing something. z

                    Comment


                      #11
                      So, What's Up with the Troll?

                      All,
                      I was in the middle of this and I apologize. Tracy, who are you now?
                      Let's value any input that can help us.
                      I, am a Baclofen advocate. I do not condemn anyone that wants to feel their own way. Whatever it takes. I hate the we (meds) vs them. We are all alcoholics or addicts in one way or another. We are here to support each other. If someone thinks we 'think' Bac is the way...so be it! It is our thread let us run. Find a thread that fits your belief. Don't hassle us because we push our belief on or in our own way...it is like religions pushing religions; let us believe what we want and you choose your path. If Otter doesn't scold me I know I am okay.

                      Everybody please, let's find our way.

                      and would the 'real' Tracy please bring your intelligence back to our threads.

                      Thanks
                      Lady
                      The hardest arithmetic to master is that which enables us to count our blessings.

                      *Don't look where you fall, look why you slipped*

                      Comment


                        #12
                        So, What's Up with the Troll?

                        Hi Tracy,

                        I am sorry I called you out as Lost and Found on my thread. Not that you may have read it, but if you had, my true apologies. I assumed it was you, as others thought it was you.

                        You are an intelligent and gifted human being, in many ways. I had a hard time believing you could stoop so low as to not use proper grammar and punctuation just to get your point across. I thought you were certifiable. I'm glad to know you didn't.

                        I really liked you. You and I became cyber friends. We communicated via PM. We even communicated about some of the issues you are alluding to now.

                        I know you need and want to be heard. You aren't going anywhere until this happens. What do we do to facilitate you talking about your concerns? Bringing them into the open, officially? Dealing with them. I'm not being condescending, btw. I'm just trying to justify this.

                        I know you are worried about the bac cheerleaders. I have said before, my opinion on that whole thing. Most of them are just happy they found sobriety with bac. A couple I have personal relationships with. Via phone, email, and text. They are not conspiratorial as far as I can tell. They just want others to have what they have.

                        Again, how do we get to the bottom of this? Fix it?
                        This Princess Saved Herself

                        Comment


                          #13
                          So, What's Up with the Troll?

                          Red,
                          Sorry if I was part of that. I loved Tracy as Tracy, she gave me so much. Sorry again Tracy, I would love to know your thoughts on who it might have been. Have not read all the threads but I hate to believe I could have started something that hurt someone.

                          So very, very sorry to everyone

                          Lady
                          The hardest arithmetic to master is that which enables us to count our blessings.

                          *Don't look where you fall, look why you slipped*

                          Comment


                            #14
                            So, What's Up with the Troll?

                            Luscious, you didn't do anything wrong. We don't know who it is. She doesn't know for sure either. She's guessing, from what I can tell. Hopefully, we'll hear more tomorrow. I can tell you who I think she thinks it is. I won't do that.
                            This Princess Saved Herself

                            Comment


                              #15
                              So, What's Up with the Troll?

                              hi winks u havegot a weird way abt u,but u do spk the truth re meds/

                              Comment

                              Working...
                              X