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    The Trip of a Lifetime

    Looking back on my baclofen experience, I have come to the conclusion that I shortchanged myself. I had not experienced this wonderful indifference that so many of you have. I reached 280 mgs and had to back down because of the debilitating side effects. I also titrated down way too fast. I am completely off it, and plan to go back up until I find my ?sweet spot?.

    However, this post is not about baclofen. This is about another treatment alternative which gave me indifference in a totally different way.

    My research lead me to a drug called Ibogaine. When I learned that Ibogaine came from the root of a bush found in West Africa, I sensed that I might be on to something. I read the hundreds of testimonials about it on the web. There were scores of addicts, just as hopeless as me, that had taken it and found a release from their addiction.

    Unfortunately, for a variety of political reasons, Ibogaine is not legal in the United States. One of its side effects is that produces powerful hallucinations. This is the reason most given for it not being available in this country. Now that I have experienced Ibogaine, I think its illegal status has more to do with the financial threat it poses to the pharmaceutical industry. But that is a debate for another time.

    I was very apprehensive. I was considering going to a foreign country, where I knew no one, to take a drug that was illegal in my country. But desperate times call for desperate measures. So I made my way to Playas de Tijuana, Mexico this past weekend. There are several such clinics in Mexico and Canada, but I chose this one after talking to the owner and a member of the staff. I sensed this was best clinic of this kind and these people were motivated by a sincere desire to help me end my suffering.

    The medical staff at the clinic was fantastic. I underwent a thorough screening, including an EKG and blood workup. They explained what would happen and what I could expect. These doctors have extensively studied Ibogaine and were prepared for any contingency that might arise. After meeting them, I had absolutely no reservations that I was doing the right thing.

    I took Ibogaine this past Saturday. The doctor gave me a small test dose first to make sure I would not have an allergic reaction. After he was satisfied, I was given my ?flood dose? of 13 milligrams.

    After about 45 minutes, the Ibogaine took effect. I don?t think there are adequate words to describe what occurred. I had a ?waking vision? of my life - it was like experiencing 20 years of psycho-therapy in 8 hours. I saw every selfish, deceitful thing I had ever done. But more than that, I also saw why I had done them. I saw events from childhood that wounded me and caused me to experience shame, sadness, anger, fear and loneliness. I also saw that people who had wounded me never meant for that to happen, they were just as wounded as I was. Years of deep seated resentments began to melt away. I felt an intense urge to reach out to these people as well as those I had harmed.

    After this journey back through my life, I felt myself rise up into space. I was looking down at Planet Earth. At once, I felt an overwhelming conviction of what a perfect creation our planet is. I got the feeling deep in my soul that there is a cure for every disease and affliction somewhere in nature. I also came to know that despite differences of race, creed and nationality, we are really members of the same tribe.

    After the ?waking vision? ended, I sat in my room and had one of the deepest periods of introspection and self-examination I have ever experienced. Every belief about myself and what I thought was important began to change. I began to realize that having integrity and being willing to sacrifice for my fellow man was what mattered. I felt a oneness with God.

    I realized that I am not better than anyone, nor am I inferior to anyone - I am equal to everyone. This was huge for me, because my lack of self-confidence, my insecurities and my belief that I was ?less than? had driven the first 51 years of my life.

    The most profound thing I discovered was that we ?train? people how to treat us. Everyone in my life treats me the way they do as a result of how I interact with them. I ?taught? those closest to me when to be nice, when to be angry, when to lie, and when to tell the truth.

    I was exhausted on Sunday. I could hardly get out of bed. The staff at the clinic was great. They pampered me and nursed me back to normal. They arranged for us to have a Thai massage. I fell asleep about 6:00 p.m. that night.

    I awoke at dawn on Monday morning. I went out onto my balcony overlooking the Pacific Ocean and a wave of gratitude swept over me. I knew in my heart that I would never smoke crack cocaine again. But more importantly, I knew that I would never want to smoke crack again. I started crying, because that was the happiest moment in my life.

    I am convinced, beyond a shadow of a doubt, that Ibogaine is a substance that God created to remedy addiction. I say this because it gives the addict the 3 things necessary to overcome addiction;

    1. It treats the body by recharging the neurotransmitters in the brain with dopamine and serotonin;

    2. It treats the mind by providing a very deep psycho-therapeutic experience - it ?shrinks? your ego and allows you to look at the root causes of your problems; and

    3. It treats the spirit by giving the addict a deep connection to our Creator.

    Ibogaine is not a cure for addiction. It is, however, a very important tool that interrupts the destructive cycle and allows you the space, free from cravings and mental obsessions, to do the inner work necessary to stay sober. It also lays the foundation for this work, as it begins the process of ego reduction which is vital to staying sober.

    Some may find it paradoxical that my journey to a spiritual awakening is beginning with the taking a hallucinogenic, psychoactive drug. It is not as far fetched as it may seem. Bill Wilson, the co-founder of Alcoholics Anonymous and architect of the 12 steps explored the use of LSD as a possible means to combat alcoholism by creating a vital spiritual experience. He was a proponent of this method, and believed it to be of great therapeutic value. (See ?Pass It On: The Story of Bill Wilson and How the AA Message Reached the World, pp. 369-376).

    I would not trade my Ibogaine experience for anything. It gently lifted me up to a higher state of consciousness and re-established my long dormant relationship with God. I feel like my body, mind and spirit have all undergone a detoxification process.
    But there is a downside. The active ingredient in Ibogaine, Nor-ibogaine, only stays in your system for 60-90 days. That means you have to re-dose every couple of months. It is a costly procedure and travelling to Mexico has become a hassle. For most, this precludes Ibogaine from being an alternative.

    This is where baclofen comes in. I have not taken any since I arrived in Mexico. The doctor there assured me that Ibogaine would serve as a baclofen detox, and this has proven to be true. I went from 120 mgs to zero with no side effects whatsoever. My doctor here has a theory that cocaine addicts will hit indifference on baclofen at a much lower dose than an alcoholic, and he is going to use me as a test case. We are going to do that in a few months when the Ibogaine starts to cycle out of my system.

    Sorry for the long winded post, but I wanted to share this with ya'll.
    Look at a stone cutter hammering away at his rock, perhaps a hundred times without as much as a crack showing in it. Yet at the hundred-and-first blow it will split in two, and I know it was not the last blow that did it, but all that had gone before.
    - Jacob August Riis

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    Wow PbarE, what an amazing story!! Thank you so much for sharing the details with us, it sounds like a truly life-altering experience.

    I have had some experiences with psychoactive drugs that have changed my life. Ecstasy was initially used as an aid in couples' therapy, before it became popular, and then abused, and then illegal.

    I do believe that there can be a very important place for these types of substances, so long as they are used responsibly and respectfully. The clinic where you went sounds like it was a wonderful environment in which to have such an experience.

    PbarE;1106702 wrote:
    The most profound thing I discovered was that we ?train? people how to treat us. Everyone in my life treats me the way they do as a result of how I interact with them. I ?taught? those closest to me when to be nice, when to be angry, when to lie, and when to tell the truth.
    Yes. It took me a long time to figure this out, and it didn't happen all at once. It's something that continues to reinforce itself for me all the time.

    Best of luck to you going forward, keep us updated on how it goes for you!!
    Better Living Through Chemistry

    Switched at 180mgs of Baclofen on 1/31/11, and again on 10/8/11 at 200mgs.

    Could've been a swan on a glassy lake, could've been a gull in a clipper's wake. Could've been a ladybug on a windchime, but she was born a dragonfly.
    ~Clutch

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      #3
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      I wanted to try that when I was 18. I've never heard such a detailed account of it before. That sounds absolutely fucking incredible! :wow: :yay:

      I love the imagery and the fact that it you can recall it so lucidly.

      PbarE wrote: The most profound thing I discovered was that we “train” people how to treat us. Everyone in my life treats me the way they do as a result of how I interact with them. I “taught” those closest to me when to be nice, when to be angry, when to lie, and when to tell the truth.
      Yup! Although I saw it watching other people long before I finally learned to start applying it to my own relationships (for me AND for them). It's like when my mother tells me something and I "hear" it, but don't actually listen for a long time.

      PbarE wrote: I had a “waking vision” of my life - it was like experiencing 20 years of psycho-therapy in 8 hours. I saw every selfish, deceitful thing I had ever done. But more than that, I also saw why I had done them. I saw events from childhood that wounded me and caused me to experience shame, sadness, anger, fear and loneliness. I also saw that people who had wounded me never meant for that to happen, they were just as wounded as I was. Years of deep seated resentments began to melt away. I felt an intense urge to reach out to these people as well as those I had harmed.

      My mind is so odd! Every once in a while an event or interaction like this from 15-20 or 25 years ago will just "POP"
      right into my head and I will really struggle with it and try to replay it with the (limited :H) wisdom I've gained in the years since. Most often it involves forgiveness (of myself or the other person). But that is just every once in a while. 8 hours of it sounds like a MINDFUCK! Wow!

      Thank you so much for sharing this!!
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        Wow - I think that qualifies as adventurous.

        I've always been a complete square when it comes to drugs. (Or, I found the one I really liked very early on and stuck to it, hic.)

        In any case - weren't you terrified about taking such a powerful hallucinogenic? Are there any "bad" long term consequences about doing that kind of thing and repeating it every few months or so? Won't you end up like Sid Barrett? (Or, heaven help us, like lo0p?)

        I'm sure you've thought about those things - I'm sure you know what you're doing! Just sounds fuuucking terrifying to me!

        Thanks for the enlightening post, and good luck in your convoluted search for a cure! I hope it works.

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          That sounds amazing PbarE,

          A very good friend of mine has gone to south America for that on a few occasions,It sure helps him with his spirituality so he says.


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            Sounds incredible Pbar. It is something I would very much like to try. Not for the trip, funnily enough, which is something I have sought my whole life, but for the realisation you achieved. I've had moments like that on acid, but yours sounds more... thorough?

            Thanks for the detailed report. I hope the understanding you achieved stays with you when you need it to.

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              I must be a square too because I am afraid of anything that might make me hallucinate. Seriously I worry I'd think I was a big bird and try to fly off a ledge or something. Still, I'm intrigued by the spiritual aspects, and the relief from addiction sounds like there could be some real practical uses.

              Glad you had a good experience.

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                Pbar, it's being discussed here as well, have a look.

                https://www.mywayout.org/community/f6...ine-22304.html

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                  Pbar.
                  My first reaction was, "huh? wtf???"

                  Says the woman who read a book from the library and ordered a drug from Vanuatu in search of a solution! :H

                  Natural hallucinogens (mushrooms) are the only mind-altering chemical that I've ever used that didn't make me immediately regret the experience. (like STP, I found my love early and I was almost completely monogamous to the bottle from the beginning. hic)

                  Your experience makes me a bit envious, honestly. I hope I can find something similar (but unrelated to addiction since bac works for me...) in meditation. But if not, well, I know where to go!

                  I'm really glad you're giving this the good fight. It's worth giving it our all. I know, too, though I don't recall how much you've shared here, that you are very involved in your recovery in many, many ways. (AA, therapy, etc...)

                  I'm really, really glad you're bac and still involved here. I missed you.
                  Love,
                  Ne

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                    PbarE I, too, experinced Iboga. Years ago

                    and went farther south than you although I know of the people you dealt with there, and they are incredible people. When I first posted about it here, people were almost offended. Now- not so much. Progress? I think two things are important to put out there: 1) what is a drug vs what is a plant? Whay do people throw the word 'drug' around, in a manner that assumes that's a bad thing (why? Or rather; who decides what is a 'bad' drug and what is an OK one?)
                    Viagra 'good,' LSD 'bad?' Who decides?
                    2) Ibogaine is not a hallucinagenic. Yes, that's what the newscasts say, but we really don't have a word in our culture for what the experience is. Hypnotized? All I know is, when I opened my eyes, got up to brush my teeth or do some stretches while I was 'on' it, the visions stopped. When I laid down and got still and closed my eyes, they started again. Is that a hallucinagenic? Even if it did provide hallucinations- what's so horrifying and wrong about that? Scarier than staggering around a party acting like an ass? Losing your spouse, job, health, self-respect from alcohol or ______? THAT'S scary.

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                      Thanks so much Pbar, for so eloquently talking about your experience and about something that is incredibly important and yet, still pushing the envelop for a lot of folks.

                      I haven't done Ibogaine, but I my ex-husband uses it periodically. He encouraged the son of a good friend of mine who was opiate addicted to to go to a center where they use it therapeutically. That mand is probably alive today because of Ibogaine.

                      Brave and lovely post.:l
                      "Wherever you are is the entry point." --Kabir

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                        bump for pbarE's amazing story.

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                          Fascinating. Thanks very much for sharing it. I've always been a bit too scared/chicken to try strong hallucinogenic substances but this one obviously has a lot of potential for real life changes.

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                            Pbar & Anne, thanks for all the info on Ibogaine. I first heard about it on NPR, but then forgot about it. So thanks.

                            Also, Pbar, why are you going up on baclofen again if the Ibogaine worked? Or it worked only for cocaine and not for everything else? Or you need maintenance after Ibogaine thus its not a one time fix-all?

                            Thanks again.:goodjob:

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                              Why Go Back on Baclofen After Ibogaine??

                              I too am wondering why PBarE wanted to go back up on Baclofen if he was already off all substances after the Ibogaine Treatment???

                              PBarE, Would you be kind enough to share? Thanks.


                              Bruunhilde;1137793 wrote: Pbar & Anne, thanks for all the info on Ibogaine. I first heard about it on NPR, but then forgot about it. So thanks.

                              Also, Pbar, why are you going up on baclofen again if the Ibogaine worked? Or it worked only for cocaine and not for everything else? Or you need maintenance after Ibogaine thus its not a one time fix-all?

                              Thanks again.:goodjob:
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