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[Guest]

It really does and I am so happy about it, been a bit trial and error but I shall post more detail shortly.

:yay::yay::yay::yay:

[bleep]

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Good to hear UK!

Did you have the genetic marker test done previously, or were you flying blind?

Either way, congratulations!

[missyabby1]

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Hi UK. Well done and congrats! I am so happy for you. It is going to be my next move, so grateful to hear good news about it. Looking forward to hearing more!

Once again, good to see you happy.

Missy xx

[Lo0p]

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Glad to hear you're having a good start!

Please tell me you've read more extensively about how this drug works than you did about baclofen. You are familiar with the honeymoon period, right?

[Greg]

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Hi Uk, I'm very glad to hear this. I had read of your immense battle to try and get baclofen to work for you, and could only imagine your disappointment when it didn't work out.

Best of luck with everything!

[Guest]

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Lo0p;1113524 wrote: Glad to hear you're having a good start!

Please tell me you've read more extensively about how this drug works than you did about baclofen. You are familiar with the honeymoon period, right?

Yes I know all about the honeymoon period and I actually did read quite a bit about Baclofen too - I didn't too much at the start because I simply had all these members screaming at me that Baclofen worked, no doubt about it. Usually I read up to work out if something is going to make a difference, but I was already being told that time and time again. Hence not following it up until after I'd started, then I read quite a bit!

Sounds like I'd be better deleting this thread and waiting a month or two, until I can come back with solid results.

[missyabby1]

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Hey UK just keep posting! Even the baccers aren't out of the woods yet! Keep letting us know how you are doing! It is all real and very relevant. You and your experience matter to all of us. Our experiences in getting sober here are all relevant.

Missy xx

[Seethepony]

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I'm delighted you've found something that works!

Loop - where did you get that picture of Osama bin Laden?

[Noelle]

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Lo0p;1113524 wrote: Please tell me you've read more extensively about how this drug works than you did about baclofen. You are familiar with the honeymoon period, right?

What is "the honeymoon period?" How long does this supposedly last? Are you talking about TSM or the way I take it?

[Guest]

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Noelle;1113588 wrote: What is "the honeymoon period?" How long does this supposedly last? Are you talking about TSM or the way I take it?

I'm taking it with the plan of I'd like to stay AF but if I drink I drink. I've been using Naltrexone for 3 1/2 weeks now and hear that it usually only lasts a few days or weeks. I've also experienced the 'pink fluffy cloud' when using 12 Step systems too, so am not unfamiliar with this sort of phenomena however caused.

[moglor]

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Great news, UK! Keep letting us know how it's going for you. Whatever you ultimately end up taking or doing, it's the result that matters!

[Lo0p]

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Ukblonde;1113531 wrote: Yes I know all about the honeymoon period and I actually did read quite a bit about Baclofen too - I didn't too much at the start because I simply had all these members screaming at me that Baclofen worked, no doubt about it. Usually I read up to work out if something is going to make a difference, but I was already being told that time and time again. Hence not following it up until after I'd started, then I read quite a bit!

Breathing a small sigh of relief here. Though, given your history and what I remember of you (not understanding simple things because of not doing any due diligence/research at all) I tend to doubt that you've done enough for what it takes to "stick it out" with TSM.

It can take an inordinate amount of faith to follow it through from beginning to end, especially because it can seem like it isn't working at all for the longest time. Take a look at these graphs of member units/experiences I charted from the summer and fall of '09:

Lo0p @ the TSM forum in August of '09 wrote: I hope you don't mind bob. :roll:

This is bob3d's progress through week 23 graphed:


Beautiful extinction curve, exactly what we are all hoping for and expecting.

This is bob3d's progress through week 15 graphed:


Let's keep our chins up no matter how long it takes or what the situation may look like right now.

Q Week 25(?):


Week 17:


Week 13:


I can't wait to do Virgil's and everybody elses!

These people only stuck with TSM because they had a thorough understanding of how it worked. At week 15, they still could not "feel" it working. In fact you often can't "feel" it working at all. The deconstruction of the maladapted network of neurons and synapses occurs in the subconscious, without your even being aware of it. That's a looooong time to keep on drinking and taking a pill that feels like it isn't doing bollocks for you (yay me :H)!

You haven't even started tracking your intake?!? That's VERY important! I assure you, you'll be playing mind games galore with yourself in the weeks to come, especially if you don't have something solid to refer back on like an accurate account of if and how much your drinking has been reduced.

Ukblonde;1113531 wrote: Sounds like I'd be better deleting this thread and waiting a month or two, until I can come back with solid results.

Oh no. Don't you dare! This thread is important! It's very important! It may only be hearsay but even I believe that the "honeymoon period" is an important predictor of success with TSM. It'd be a great place for you to chronicle your journey, and believe me, IT IS A JOURNEY! It's fraught with doubt about the process, self doubt, second guessing, disbelief and a hundred reasons to just give it up at every turn.

Educate yourself. Knowledge will be your ally in this battle. Have you read the book? Have you ordered the book? If not, do it. If so, great! But it's not nearly enough!

You should join up with the other naltrexone newbies and keep each other on the same page about your experiences! How's that for an idea that's the fuckin' bollocks? (Holy shit I'm on a roll!)

missyabby1;1113535 wrote: Hey UK just keep posting! Even the baccers aren't out of the woods yet! Keep letting us know how you are doing! It is all real and very relevant. You and your experience matter to all of us. Our experiences in getting sober here are all relevant.

Missy xx
Damn right she had better keep posting! It might be the only thing that gets her through the rough spots! Support from people like you and me, and hopefully some mutual support from the other newbies!

Are you two sisters or something...? Where are you from missyabby?

Seethepony;1113538 wrote: Loop - where did you get that picture of Osama bin Laden?

The administration released it to me and me alone (notice still, the lack of a 'headshot'). They wanted me to 'leak' it, so it would come from an unknown source, to show his general state of feebleness. "The man supposedly was living in so much squalor that he couldn't even afford food!"

[Murphyx]

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Lo0p;1113604 wrote:
You should join up with the other naltrexone newbies and keep each other on the same page about your experiences! How's that for an idea that's the fuckin' bollocks? (Holy shit I'm on a roll!)

Mmmmmm, not quite right. If you'd said "the dog's bollocks", you'd have nailed it.

[Lo0p]

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Also this one:

Lo0p @ the TSM forums in August '09 wrote: H4O Week 24:


H4O Week 18:


I cheated a little bit on this one because Happy's week 18 was the 4th of July, and I think we can safely that week is a statistical outlier. However, I did look at the graph through week 17 and, surprisingly, when I excluded the outlier the graph really didn't look that much different. So I went with this one for dramatic effect.

It can really suck, not feeling like you're making any progress at all. FTR, these people were flying blind. No one came before them!

They had NO reason to believe that it would work in the face of their continued drinking save the fact that the theory "made beautiful sense".

[Noelle]

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Ukblonde;1113597 wrote: I'm taking it with the plan of I'd like to stay AF but if I drink I drink. I've been using Naltrexone for 3 1/2 weeks now and hear that it usually only lasts a few days or weeks. I've also experienced the 'pink fluffy cloud' when using 12 Step systems too, so am not unfamiliar with this sort of phenomena however caused.

When I went to AA many years ago, I was talking about how good I felt while I wasn't drinking and this guy that I knew from out-patient rehab said that I was experiencing the pink cloud effect. He sounded very dimissive to me. He came up to me after the meeting and asked if he'd said anything wrong because I must've made a face when he said that. I told him he was very discouraging and walked away. He made me feel like he was better than I was. I never went back to that meeting or any other meeting he was at. One of many reasons I don't like AA.

I couldn't go to AA meetings now because if I told them I took Naltrexone to stop drinking, they would say "that doesn't count." Like, WTF? Who made them God??? The meetings I've been to think you should white-knuckle stopping drinking and suffer. Why, I don't know. Oh well. I wouldn't mind going to a meeting, but I would cause a riot because of how I feel and how I stopped drinking. I could handle that, but I know it wouldn't change how they feel.

I haven't had a honeymoon period with my use of Naltrexone, unless that honeymoon period lasts over 4 months, which is how long I haven't been drinking.