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[Lo0p]

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Murphyx;1113607 wrote: Mmmmmm, not quite right. If you'd said "the dog's bollocks", you'd have nailed it.

Oh no mate. I fuckin' nailed it! I wasn't going for the Queen's English. We're making babies now!! I nailed it like only the Muslim African non-citizen President of the Free World shagging the Queen of the Old World could have nailed it.

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Two things Loop;

I have started logging my drinks intake, I just haven't posted it here yet - all I know is that historically I always drink between 20-30 units whenever I drink. Often I'd wake and carry on through the next day I'd say 50% of the time. Since starting naltrexone I've never been above 11 units in one session, never wake wanting to drink the next morning, and have had 2 occasions out of 5 where I've not wanted to drink past the first 2 drinks. The latter happens never, I think there was a time back in 2009 when I had one glass of wine and that was it.

Secondly I have tried all sorts of methods in the past 8 years to beat my alcoholism, I am completely prepared to give naltrexone a good go and have no plans to give up on it whatsoever. Why on earth would I when so far I've only had one very minor side effect on naltrexone, it's not costing the earth so no reason to me to stop taking it.

I have drunk on I think 6 occasions in the last 3 1/2 weeks(I'll check this later) and on 2 of those I felt zero effect from the alcohol, so didn't carry on past 1-2 drinks(could not see the point!). The other 4 I did push further but gave up at 1/3 of my usual consumption because it just wasn't getting me fired up at all. Couldn't see the point in drinking. I suppose these effects might be something else, whatever it is I don't really care because all I know is my quality of life in the last 3 weeks has been great and competely unhindered by alcohol. I'm down to within 21 units a week across two evenings, where as previously I'd manage that(and more) in one night. Basically I know my intake is dramatically down, I'm not having to take any days off work and have not had to cancel a single thing in my life. In the past drinking to me meant the next day was ruined, and I'd have to let people down left right and centre. At the moment it's just not happening. I am also still using Baclofen at low dose occasionally, 25mg on occasions where I am anxious and think I might not sleep at night, also sometimes when I'm feeling edgy or about to drink. Not every time but I'm hoping that is helping too.

MissyA is nothing to do with me, although someone else has intimated she might. I think she once posted that she was in Australia.

By the way Noelle I have actually been thinking about going back to AA, I've no qualms about telling them I'm using Naltrexone. I have contacts in the group and know they'd simply welcome me back with open arms and in the past I shared that I used Campral as well as other methods, without them saying I was cheating. The AAers I know would simply be glad to see me back and alive!

[Murphyx]

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Lo0p;1113614 wrote: Oh no mate. I fuckin' nailed it! I wasn't going for the Queen's English. We're making babies now!! I nailed it like only the Muslim African non-citizen President of the Free World shagging the Queen of the Old World could have nailed it.

Great, now I can't get that image out of my head. Thanks a lot. :H

[mario]

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Ukblonde;1113504 wrote: It really does and I am so happy about it, been a bit trial and error but I shall post more detail shortly.

:yay::yay::yay::yay:

:goodjob: Uk hope it keeps on getting you your way out of this mess. :goodjob:

[Road to Recovery]

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Lo0p;1113604 wrote: Breathing a small sigh of relief here. Though, given your history and what I remember of you (not understanding simple things because of not doing any due diligence/research at all) I tend to doubt that you've done enough for what it takes to "stick it out" with TSM.

It can take an inordinate amount of faith to follow it through from beginning to end, especially because it can seem like it isn't working at all for the longest time. Take a look at these graphs of member units/experiences I charted from the summer and fall of '09:



These people only stuck with TSM because they had a thorough understanding of how it worked. At week 15, they still could not "feel" it working. In fact you often can't "feel" it working at all. The deconstruction of the maladapted network of neurons and synapses occurs in the subconscious, without your even being aware of it. That's a looooong time to keep on drinking and taking a pill that feels like it isn't doing bollocks for you (yay me :H)!

You haven't even started tracking your intake?!? That's VERY important! I assure you, you'll be playing mind games galore with yourself in the weeks to come, especially if you don't have something solid to refer back on like an accurate account of if and how much your drinking has been reduced.



Oh no. Don't you dare! This thread is important! It's very important! It may only be hearsay but even I believe that the "honeymoon period" is an important predictor of success with TSM. It'd be a great place for you to chronicle your journey, and believe me, IT IS A JOURNEY! It's fraught with doubt about the process, self doubt, second guessing, disbelief and a hundred reasons to just give it up at every turn.

Educate yourself. Knowledge will be your ally in this battle. Have you read the book? Have you ordered the book? If not, do it. If so, great! But it's not nearly enough!

You should join up with the other naltrexone newbies and keep each other on the same page about your experiences! How's that for an idea that's the fuckin' bollocks? (Holy shit I'm on a roll!)



Damn right she had better keep posting! It might be the only thing that gets her through the rough spots! Support from people like you and me, and hopefully some mutual support from the other newbies!

Are you two sisters or something...? Where are you from missyabby?





Sorry for the tangent UK. I thought maybe we could kick your thread off with a BANG!!!

Loop,
Why are you being such a Dick? This is one of the rudests posts I've seen in a while. I dont give a shit if UK put as much effort into researching Nal as you THINK she should. If she is happy with the results she is achieving - what gives you the right to comne onto her thread and treat her this way? Are you trying to be funny? Are you trying to impress some one?
Posts like yours are the reason people leave MWO. Grow up.

[JohnR]

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Hi UK,
I followed TSM religiously for almost a year however it only worked for me for 6 months. But everyone is different, I hope you have better results than I did.
JR

[Panno]

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Uk I'm so pleased for you :l:l

[JackieClaire]

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Ukblonde;1113504 wrote: It really does and I am so happy about it, been a bit trial and error but I shall post more detail shortly.

:yay::yay::yay::yay:

The coffees are on me next time, UKB. :l

Personally I have no idea about the ins and outs of the TSM, but I have absolutely no doubt with your background in science you'll have researched it thoroughly.

[Lo0p]

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Stop it!! Everybody!! WTF??

I am trying to prepare her for what lies ahead of her. According to 95% of everyone's experiences on The Sinclair Method what she is experiencing now WILL END! Most people return to their pre-TSM consumption or even higher...for WEEKS! The only person for whom the honeymoon never ended was crown86. That doesn't mean it's not going to work! It means she has to keep the fucking faith when times get rough!

I was there! I saw it all! From when it first blew up at MWO back in '09 and followed it all the way to the TSM forums up until now.

Is there anyone out there that understands this that can see what I wrote in the light that it was intended?

:anyone:

Am I the only one around here that actually understands this treatment anymore?

She's pissed off and burnt out because everyone told her that "Baclofen worked" And I'm chastised for not painting a rosy enough picture? Fuck that!

I'm offering the cold hard truth, put right there on a fucking platter about TSM. Giving SOLID advice about how to navigate it, because I've been there, seen 200 people try and most of them fail. But I've also seen the successes and know what it takes. It takes what I told her it took in that post.

[Lo0p]

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I am thoroughly confused.

Maybe no one understands.

Is there anyone out there that read what I wrote and understood it? My fault I guess. I'm going to PM eight...

[Lo0p]

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Could I please re-invite everyone to reread my post?

This sentence, in the very beginning, may have set the wrong tone, coloring everything else that I wrote:

Lo0p;1113604 wrote: Though, given your history and what I remember of you (not understanding simple things because of not doing any due diligence/research at all) I tend to doubt that you've done enough for what it takes to "stick it out" with TSM.

I really meant it, but could you maybe reread it without that, or place it at the end?

[Lo0p]

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Thank you Zen. :thanks:

But I'm really not trying to push MY approach here.

It is a resounding truth that you need to be prepared to backslide on TSM and UNDERSTAND that it doesn't mean that you are failing!

Understanding this is not a way or my way, it is a prerequisite!

That's what all those graphs are for.

We all hope like hell that she'll be one of the uggh 5%(?) that takes to TSM like it's a magical pill. But if she doesn't then she's going to need support of the ilk that people around here at MWO haven't ever seen before!!

Imagine if she's drinking as bad as ever 2 months from now, ready to throw it all away and shoot for abstinence again and I'm the only one left here telling her to keep drinking. Then you guys are really gonna think I'm being a dick I suppose...

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No I am not pissed off and burnt out, I chalked Baclofen down to experience and am still here still trying to find my way out.

[spuddleduck]

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thank ukb for letting us know how you are gettin on with nal. i very much appreciate it
LOOP. IM NOT SURE WHY YOU ARE SHOUTING AT US,,,, IS IT AN SE FROM BAC.
i really like to hear any ones input on any meds that can offer help to those of uswho are still stuggling to find our way out........ but please keep the noise down, no insults, no personal references please.... in the name of help and support ... thanks... spudsx

[Rusty]

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Hi Spuddlers,

Nice to see you! I have had success on both Naltrexone and Baclofen. Miracle drugs in my opinion. Spuds, I've been wanting to tell you, I just love your quote "Today is the tomorrow I worried about and it turned out fine." As someone who is anxiety-ridden, I try to remember that quote when I'm having a particularly bad day. Thanks!:h