Hi everyone from Bill.P.

[Bill.P.]

Been a long time since I stopped by.
Just thought of you all and decided to stop by and say hi, looks like the baclofen forum has really taken off.
I see some old familiar names like Tip and Greg and Beatle and so many many new ones. That's awesome! If I didnt mention your name its b/c I only scanned 4 pages of threads
Im still on the baclofen, just been very very busy.
But pretty soon, I'll have a nice surprise to unveil in six weeks or so.

How's every been doing?

Oh yeah, just saw LoOp's name, hey mate

[Bill.P.]

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Ok, so its a bit slower in this forum that I remember and most of you dont know me or the way I 'splain baclofen.
SO, in the interim until those who remember me show up. I thought I'd offer a quick video representation of how titration of baclofen works.
In the following youtube clip, you will see soldiers marching forward, this is the titration phase. They are attacking Heartbreak Ridge, this represents the Reward Center of your brain.
Crossing the 38th parallel represents crossing your blood-brain barrier in sufficient force for the attack to take place.
The reward-center of the brain MUST be subdued, but with titration to prevent the short-lived fatigue side effects. You must gather them in place. The unleash "hell" upon the craving system of the brain. Represented by the big guns, tanks and small arms fire.
Then once the "hill"-"reward center" is captured i.e. your brain no longer craves, youve hit your magic point.
You'll see that you'll have to deal with the casualties that most hid from by continuing to drink.

I just really thought this video was appropriate for newbies trying to understand titrating. Note the guy lowering the flag to begin the attack, that represents you getting accustomed to baclofen. Then you attack the reward center of the brain, the enemy. Clear them out, attend to the wounded, usually your family or friends
Clickity-click on link below
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KTnbyZXlYbk[/video]]YouTube - Heartbreak Ridge - Movie intro

[Isolde]

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Bill P.!!
I wasn't around when you were, but when I was reading back through all of the threads back in the summer of last year when I was getting ready to start baclofen, I saw your name mentioned quite a lot! Though I couldn't seem to find any of your posts... ?
Seemed as though they were all deleted or some such.
In any case, just wanted to give you a shout out and say thanks for stopping in after so long to check up on the bacsters! :goodjob:
Looking forward to hearing more from you.

[Ne/Neva Eva]

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Hiya, Bill! I was after your time too, but just.

I've always wondered what happened?

Glad you're well and welcome bac!

Ne

[tiptronic_ct]

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Bill, you old scoundrel - the first fast titrator. I remember the arguments you had with Zennie about titration speeds like it was yesterday. Good to see you!

Your post is thin on detail, but I'm sure you'll fill us in when you have a chance.

That's a good analogy you're using and I'm sure newbies will find it useful. Of greater personal interest to me is what happens after the decisive battle (i.e. the switch). I'd like to hear your thoughts on it. There seems to be a more recent school of thought which holds that you can remain on friendly terms with your brain's reward centre while keeping it suppressed at the same time. To me, that means the war will never really be over. Like a jungle war where you keep on having little skirmishes with guerillas. While it is true that drinking moderately after the switch won't turn one into a raging drunk again overnight, it seems unwise to me. I'd prefer to annihilate the enemy altogether so that I can let my defenses down and live peacefully. And no: I'm not a child of the sixties :H

Where are you at with baclofen at the moment? Dosage and schedule for taking it? Seeing that your old posts were deleted, I think you should give people a refresher - titration schedule (if you can call what you did a schedule), switch dose, tapering approach etc.

[bleep]

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Hey Bill,

Always nice to hear from a long time baclofen user. Some information on how you are doing now would be great, there aren't many long time users available.

[Bill.P.]

Hi everyone from Bill.P.

Isolde;1115814 wrote: Bill P.!!
I wasn't around when you were, but when I was reading back through all of the threads back in the summer of last year when I was getting ready to start baclofen, I saw your name mentioned quite a lot! Though I couldn't seem to find any of your posts... ?
Seemed as though they were all deleted or some such.
In any case, just wanted to give you a shout out and say thanks for stopping in after so long to check up on the bacsters! :goodjob:
Looking forward to hearing more from you.

yah, well, its a long story
I didnt want to have what i wrote linger without me being here to explain my conjectures. It appears to have all been sorted out in my absence though.

I first started here in the beginning stages and people took it from there to amazing heights, well beyond my postings. So you didnt miss much

[Bill.P.]

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Ne/Neva Eva;1115815 wrote: Hiya, Bill! I was after your time too, but just.

I've always wondered what happened?

Glad you're well and welcome bac!

Ne

Nothing happened per se, just wasnt around to support my posts and I felt a bit overwhelmed with career, marriage and the like, particularly marriage as I spent more time on here than with the wife and I caught a bit of hell for it.
So I had to unplug the cable from the wall for the sake of the woman I love, whom probably only tip knows started me on my baclofen journey many moons ago before I erased my postings.
However, I do have them saved and I always promised to put up a website,

Alas, its only taken me 3-4 years to learn the software on how to do this. I learn it, forget it, learn it forget it 2 weeks later.
But I have it done with fireworks, now convert to dreamweaver and upload the files and itll be there soon. I had flash catalyst, flash builder, all of this interactive stuff. I am just going to forget about it for now or else I will NEVER publish it.
Flash allows you to enter in your weight, gender etc.. and it will give you an example titration.
That comes later im thinking

Nice to see the new people, when I came here a few years back there was like 3 threads on baclofen, now look what it has become, its amazing to see

[Bill.P.]

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tiptronic_ct;1115865 wrote: Bill, you old scoundrel - the first fast titrator. I remember the arguments you had with Zennie about titration speeds like it was yesterday. Good to see you!

Your post is thin on detail, but I'm sure you'll fill us in when you have a chance.

That's a good analogy you're using and I'm sure newbies will find it useful. Of greater personal interest to me is what happens after the decisive battle (i.e. the switch). I'd like to hear your thoughts on it. There seems to be a more recent school of thought which holds that you can remain on friendly terms with your brain's reward centre while keeping it suppressed at the same time. To me, that means the war will never really be over. Like a jungle war where you keep on having little skirmishes with guerillas. While it is true that drinking moderately after the switch won't turn one into a raging drunk again overnight, it seems unwise to me. I'd prefer to annihilate the enemy altogether so that I can let my defenses down and live peacefully. And no: I'm not a child of the sixties :H

Where are you at with baclofen at the moment? Dosage and schedule for taking it? Seeing that your old posts were deleted, I think you should give people a refresher - titration schedule (if you can call what you did a schedule), switch dose, tapering approach etc.

Tip, Ill answer your queries in more detail tomorrow.
But, I find that baclofen combines with other drugs quite exceptionally. My favorite being alprazolam for rough periods. I am not a huge fan of taking baclofen solely in rough periods i.e. very stressful times that can trigger a relapse.
I believe baclofen is perfectly appropriate to turn off the "switch" but because of the short half-life and the tendency of humans to miss doses, one may get wild swings of anxiety and underlying xanax anxiolytic would be appropriate during periods of high stress.
I am a proponent of "not tapering down", I am a proponent of increasing anxiety therapy with a very dinky dose of a longer acting benzodiazepine to avoid anxiety swings.
I dont think it is necessary 90% of the time, but case dependent I am thinking adding an additional GABA agent rather than going to the 3-400mg level on baclofen alone.
A dinky dose of xanax .25 would cut the baclofen dose in half and still get the same effects without mood swings.
Plus, I'll have to enlighten you on baclofen resistance which is individual, some are more sensitive than others with 5% immune from baclofen based on research. Meaning the other 95% are a continuum.

Also, a special note to you tip, I believe you are in South Africa, correct me if I am wrong. But I have made arrangements with a research company to at least attempt to send you 8000mg of baclofen for $100.
Labelled as massage oils :P

[Bill.P.]

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Reggie;1115947 wrote: Well, well Bill! fantastic to see you..How are you ? ...Like tip I have a boot load of questions but no time at the moment. Post later. Hope you are well and hope you hang around if your time permits. Wonderful to see that Bill.P signature again.

take care
Reggie

Yes yes of course, Ill be around Reggie.
Ask away but I must bid you adieu for the evening

[Greg]

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Hey Bill great to hear from you. I managed to stay away from the grog but ended up substituting other things for it, but now trying baclofen again as an alternative treatment for anxiety and depression (hoping it will help me end my use of other things). All the best, catch you around sometime.

[beatle]

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Hi Bill, good to see you back here!

I was very unhappy about the way you took your posts from us (and many others to follow), and am very happy to hear that you will resurrect them soon. It was a shame that you disappeared, but I hear you as regards the home front. I'm having those problems, as well.

You were one of the real pioneers and an inspiration to me.

I look forward to getting all of the real story back, plus everything you have discovered in the interim.

[tiptronic_ct]

Hi everyone from Bill.P.

Bill.P.;1115948 wrote: Tip, Ill answer your queries in more detail tomorrow.
But, I find that baclofen combines with other drugs quite exceptionally. My favorite being alprazolam for rough periods. I am not a huge fan of taking baclofen solely in rough periods i.e. very stressful times that can trigger a relapse.
I believe baclofen is perfectly appropriate to turn off the "switch" but because of the short half-life and the tendency of humans to miss doses, one may get wild swings of anxiety and underlying xanax anxiolytic would be appropriate during periods of high stress.
I am a proponent of "not tapering down", I am a proponent of increasing anxiety therapy with a very dinky dose of a longer acting benzodiazepine to avoid anxiety swings.
I dont think it is necessary 90% of the time, but case dependent I am thinking adding an additional GABA agent rather than going to the 3-400mg level on baclofen alone.
A dinky dose of xanax .25 would cut the baclofen dose in half and still get the same effects without mood swings.
Plus, I'll have to enlighten you on baclofen resistance which is individual, some are more sensitive than others with 5% immune from baclofen based on research. Meaning the other 95% are a continuum.

Also, a special note to you tip, I believe you are in South Africa, correct me if I am wrong. But I have made arrangements with a research company to at least attempt to send you 8000mg of baclofen for $100.
Labelled as massage oils :P

There's already a lot to digest there. Of particualr interest is your metion of baclofen resistance. Are you referring to a sort of "natural" resistance, or the kind one can observe in certain drugs if used over long periods of time (benzos being an example)?

Yes - I'm in South Africa, and it would be an absolute godsend if I could lay may hands on a batch of affordable bac. Please PM me with the details on how I take it further :thanks:

Massage oil, though? LMAO!!! :H

[RedThread12]

Hi everyone from Bill.P.

I just want to say Hi and glad to see you back, BillP. I started bac in Oct. '09, when you were here and posting great stuff that helped me make the decision. Thanks for that. It's an on-going experiment, but I've been doing great re bac and al all this time. Ahhhh . . . also interested in the bac/xanax thing. Recently went through an incredibly stressful period in which I did drink more on some days. Nothing big, no damage, but will stay aware that xanax could be a better alternative.

Yeah, isn't it wild to see how wild the board has become since the 'olden' days. There are a couple of stories that got "locked down" because people were pushing the envelop so strongly, making others uncomfortable. Check out as much of "Otter's" threads as you can get back to and see if you can find "Susannah" before she got shut down. VERY interesting, powerful and successful bac stories that punched right through that old envelop.

[Murphyx]

Hi everyone from Bill.P.

Hey RedT, I tried searching on the username Sussanah and got 0 hits. Her's seems like an interesting story and I'd like to check it out. Could you find a link to her posts?