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[LittleLessBoozin']

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wanttobesober;1124750 wrote: It is hard without the help of medicine. Sometimes will power takes you so far!
I hope you can solve your problems!

Good Luck!

Good luck to you too wanttobesober!

I might not be actively doing much about my disease right now, but I guess that by hanging out here I'm at least acknowledging it daily- to make a ridiculous positive out of an obvious negative

Paul.

[Murphyx]

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Hiya mate

This thread started when I was away and I’ve been ignoring it because I hate getting involved in things half way through, but I’ve just read it and I’m glad I did.

RE the drink driving thing: I was very concerned with all the talk of DUIs lasting 75 years, but then I realised I was thinking of IUDs and it made more sense. After I got sober, I worked out that because of the rate at which alcohol leaves our bodies, the amount I drank and the frequency of my drinking meant that I hadn’t once driven under the drink drive limit for a number of years. We’ve all done it, you just got caught.

wanttobesober;1124767 wrote: I am hoping that I am in the 80% that can achieve success.Where did you get that figure? Was it from this site or Dr L?

BTW, does your wife know about the bac? I hope you’ve told her, so at least she knows you’re working hard to beat the problem. That’s likely to go a long way relationship-wise imo.

wanttobesober;1124767 wrote: “I eat mainly live food.”You mean you don’t kill it first? Doesn’t it struggle?

Ne wrote: “Stick with the protocol. You may find that you have a good reaction and few SEs early on. You'll be tempted to go a little faster. We all are. Stay the course. The majority who have found the goal (indifference) with a minimum of SEs are the ones that stayed the course. 'Tis true. There are plenty to sing the praises of jumping around or jumping the gun. For every one, I can point you to five that gave up, and five more who took the medicine as prescribed and found the goal. In the last 6 months alone.

While Ne is of course right about this (as with most things) I'm also a great believer in listening to your body (at the moment mine is saying "get exercising you fat bastard", so I'm off to do just that in a few minutes) and if you feel little or no SEs and you feel like going up quicker than every 7 days, then I think you should. As long as you leave 3 days between increases you should be OK. But if you do feel an increase has hit you a bit hard you have to stick with it. Raising and then dropping the dose again is not a good thing and imo causes a lot of problems.

wanttobesober;1124767 wrote: Think about it!
What does a dog do if it gets wounded bad?
Just go to a place and doesn't eat for days. That is what nature tells you to do.

Yeah but dogs also eat shit and lick their own balls. Nature tells them to do that. I’ve tasted dog shit, it’s not very pleasant and if I could lick my own balls I wouldn’t need a wife. Oh hang on; I’ve already done that joke once this week already.

wanttobesober;1124767 wrote: I know that my views are not mainstream, because people like to eat hamburgers, french fries, ice creams and so on. But look at the main stream people at the mall.
Are they healthy? I do not think so.....

Nope they’re not, and judging by this website Funny Pictures at WalMart they’re also a bit messed up in the head. So all in all I think your diet ideas stand up to much more scrutiny than that of the 'mainstream' who are all a bunch of fat 'tards according to that website anyway.

Stick with it mate. You have the will and the means so success is SURE to be waiting for you.

You want to be sober? You will be sober! :goodjob:

[wanttobesober]

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Hiya Murphyx,

Thanks for your post. It is very funny! :-))
I got the 80% figure from an ABC interview with Dr. A. He said that there was a study made with 100 people who used Bac and 80% of them achieved success.
Yes. My wife knows about my Bac use. She hopes that this time is for real, after I have failed with Naltrexone.
By "live food" I mean lots of fresh vegetables. I am one of those people who enjoys eating salads. And one thing I enjoy the most is a Chinese food called "Vegetable delight".
Nobody can cook broccoli like Chinese people! I can eat that every day. I love steaks and all kinds of meet as well. And of course I cook them. If you want to loose weight, check out this website:

The Gabriel Method - Weightloss without Dieting

This guy is also brilliant. He lost 220 pounds without dieting. You can download his audio stuff cheap. Lots of good info.

Well. You are right about the ball licking ( :H ), however all animals do fast when they are injured not just dogs.
I do not want to write too much about fasting because most people don't like it.
They think if they skip a meal, they will die. Far from it.
Lots of data available that when people could not eat for extended period of time,
like after a plane-crash for instance, when they were found they were in remarkable health. Fasting also clears your mind. You can think much more clearly.
I of course has not experience the "switch" yet, but that is how I imagine that feeling
like when I fast for a week or so. Your mind is so clear and everything seems to be much more easier.
I have seen the WalMart site and I am not sure if it is funny or just scary!
Sometimes you wonder what is in these people's head?

And thank for the advice!

Wannabesober - Gonnabesober :-))

[Ne/Neva Eva]

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I just typed out a long response to the only thing in Murph's post that was completely wrong. But pffft. Suffice it to say that whining ... oh, dammit. I don't care.

I'm glad that you're a conscious eater, Wannabe. You're in good company. Sorry for all of the other assumptions, especially the erroneous ones, I made in my post yesterday. Clearly I had a bee in my bonnet. Still do, I think, so I'll be brief today! :H

Looking forward to hearing more about your journey, gonnabe!
Remember, jkttdp! (Just Keep Taking the Damn Pills!)
xo
Ne

[Murphyx]

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I haven?t read/seen that interview with OA but I have seen the 80% figure quoted by a French addiction specialist and he claimed that 80% are successful using bac for alcoholism. Another 15% dropped it either because they were persuaded into taking bac by family and weren?t ready to take the plunge for themselves, or they suffered from a mental illness. That left just the 5% for whom it didn?t work. 19 chances of success out of 20, that?s pretty good.

Interesting stuff regarding the fasting and diet. I?ll definitely look into that if my present system of good, sensible food and massively increased exercise doesn?t work. But even if it doesn?t it?s making me feel damn good at the moment. But we?ll see.

Tee hee, I knew my comment about whiny people would get a response from Ne.:H

[Murphyx]

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I've just re-read the comment Ne objected to and I should have posted a laughing emoticon next to it. In fact I shouldn't have said it at all. I'd like to make it clear I don't for one moment believe that anyone who has problems with bac is a whiner. That was a clumsy attempt at humour. Apologies, post edited.

[wanttobesober]

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the problem is that medicine really isn't a science, it is a business - Ron Rosdale

Hiya Ne, Murphyx and LittleLessBoozin',


I hope you are all doing fine!
It's Friday afternoon, and normally by 7:30 PM I am halfway saturated with a 6 pack and some hard stuff in my blood. Not today and not for a while. I read lots of advices on the board and it is clear that if someone can stay sober while titrates up on Bac, then the chances to reach Indifference is higher. This time I owe it to myself to take it seriously.
I have mentioned at one of my earlier post that I was taken to a Hospital by Ambulance two weeks ago. I just got a bill for $1800 today from the ER and Lab. Very nice for a few hours of forced stay. Who knows how much the Doctor's bill and the Ambulance is going to be.
Not very good.... :upset:

So I will try to stay the course, no matter what. This is my seventh day. I was supposed to raise my dose to 30 mg tomorrow. I have decided that I will stay on a 6 day cycle if no problems arise. Today I have already taken 40 instead of 30 (tomorrow). I think next Thursday I will raise it to 60 and the week after that on Wednesday maybe to 80.
I wanted to shorten the time a little bit (just like anybody else), but I really do not want to push it hard.


Cheers,

Wannabesober - Gonnabesober

:thanks:

[Murphyx]

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wanttobesober;1125358 wrote:
So I will try to stay the course, no matter what. This is my seventh day. I was supposed to raise my dose to 30 mg tomorrow. I have decided that I will stay on a 6 day cycle if no problems arise. Today I have already taken 40 instead of 30 (tomorrow). I think next Thursday I will raise it to 60 and the week after that on Wednesday maybe to 80.
I wanted to shorten the time a little bit (just like anybody else), but I really do not want to push it hard.
I think that's a very wise plan.

wanttobesober;1125358 wrote:
That is why most of the doctors are not pushing Baclofen, because there is no money for them. It is cheep. They can make much more money in a rehab.

I'm right there with you on that one Brother. Medicine is big business. Not everyone realises that yet.

[wanttobesober]

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Hi Murphyx and LittleLessBoozin,

Thanks Murphyx,

Yesterday I have read one of the posts on your thread about NHS recommendations.

Just like you!

LittleLessBoozin,

I just read your thread this morning. I am really sorry that you have these circumstances.
I hope you do lot loose your job. I was without a job in 2009 and it pretty much ruined my life.
Try to hang on to your job! Good jobs are hard to find these days.
Now I am making less than half what I used to make.
:upset:

This is my 5th AL free day. Definitely more to come!

Cheers,

Wannabesober - Gonnabesober

[wanttobesober]

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Hi Ne,

I am very grateful that you are such a wonderful caring person!
Thank you for asking about me.
I think I had partial success in the past few days.

Well. Where should I start?
I stopped drinking on May31st.
Started my fast, as well. I was good for one week.
However yesterday the devil got into me, and after work I have purchased 1 liter of red wine.
Around noon, I had a devilish thought that I would like to test my brain. I thought I could still
resist. By the time I got off work, it turned out to a full blown alcoholic behavior.
I needed a drink. After the wine, I ended up in a bar, and with a black out. What a shame.
However I am trying not to beat up myself too much, as I know that at 40 mg with Baclofen, I can not expect too much yet. So alcoholic behavior can be still expected.
Since I had a hangover today, I needed to drink a little bit.
So I have a beer in my left hand, some vodka in my right hand and trying to type with my tongue :-)) (just kidding).
Anyway, I expect myself be back on the road of recovery tomorrow.
Today I will drink less then 10 drinks, so I can manage myself tomorrow without alcohol.
Friday my sweet 10 year old daughter comes over, so I need to be sober and be a good daddy.
I think this week was a partial success, because I think this was the first time this year to have 7 AL free days. I had once 5 consecutive AL free days this year before. Last year I had 16 consecutive AL free days. In 1992 I had a full year without AL. That was long time ago. I am 100% sure I can achieve that with Baclofen with very soon!
I still believe in Baclofen.
Baclofen gave me not much of a problem yet.
I am really committed.
I hope it will work fork you as much as I hope it will work for me!
I will meet you in the land of "indifference" very soon! :-)).

I will not give it up,

Brian

:thanks:

[Murphyx]

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wanttobesober;1127738 wrote:
Around noon, I had a devilish thought that I would like to test my brain. I thought I could still
resist. By the time I got off work, it turned out to a full blown alcoholic behavior.
I needed a drink. After the wine, I ended up in a bar, and with a black out. What a shame.
However I am trying not to beat up myself too much, as I know that at 40 mg with Baclofen, I can not expect too much yet. So alcoholic behavior can be still expected.Of course it can. Alcohol still controls you. When you're further along the baclofen trail you'll be controlling it, but not yet, so don't sweat it.

wanttobesober;1127738 wrote: Since I had a hangover today, I needed to drink a little bit.
So I have a beer in my left hand, some vodka in my right hand and trying to type with my tongue :-)) (just kidding).:H

wanttobesober;1127738 wrote: I think this week was a partial success, because I think this was the first time this year to have 7 AL free days.

Sounds like a great success to me. Nice one!

wanttobesober;1127738 wrote: Friday my sweet 10 year old daughter comes over, so I need to be sober and be a good daddy.

I can't imagine you being anything other than a good dad. You're reflective, insightful and determined to beat the beast alcohol. Pretty soon you'll be a good, sober dad.

You're doing great Brian.

[bleep]

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Everything Murph said!

I haven't been following as closely as I normally do, so I must have missed your titration schedule Wannabe - what have you decided on?

[wanttobesober]

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Hi bleep and Murphyx,

Thanks for the comments Murphyx!

Bleep,

The doc. was recommending the following schedule:

WK1: 5,5,5,10,10,10,10;
WK2: 30,30,30,30,30,30,30;
WK3: 50,50,50,50,50,50,50;
WK4:70,70,70,70,70,70,70;

However I altered it a little bit like this:

WK1:10;10;20;20;20;20,40;
WK2:40,40,40,40,40,60,60;
WK3:60,60,60,60,80,80,80;
WK4:80,80,80,100,100,100,100;

I am on the 6th day of the second week, so I just switched to 60 mg today.
I do not experience any funky SE yet.
I had occasional sleepiness though. That is about it so far.

cheers,

Brian

[bleep]

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Good alterations Brian - you'd be going up for ever on the previous schedule!

Do yourself a favour and write all this out on a calender now, so you have a record. Baclofen at higher doses can really play with your head, and you'll find yourself wondering where you are on your schedule. It will help if you have a clear record drawn up.

[wanttobesober]

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Hi Bleep,

Thanks! I will do that.

Brian