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    Dog Days

    Wow can't believe how time is flying, even in the extreme heat and summer doldrums life goes on...

    I was drinking gallons of beer in the way of tall boys every day and wine (when I could get other than Boone's Farm or MD 20/20) before I stopped all together on 6/21. Since then I've had two let's call them "tests" where I bought a bottle of wine and drank it all. Both times I got buzzed, but not shit-faced drunk, and was just ready to get the episodes over with and get back on track. The hangovers were not worse than they used to be, but the drunk was not worth it, that's for sure...

    Now up to 130 mg/day and having some new SEs that I've read about from other posts: numbness in my fingers and toes occasionally, some pretty bizarre dreams, hard to wake up at times. And very hard to focus on tasks, at work and even at home, simple things like household chores are major efforts. I think about booze sometimes, but it's with a kind of dispassionate detachment, so maybe it's the indifference? I hope so because I'd like to start decreasing my dosage.

    Tonight I caught the thread about Bac and anxiety and I too feel as though I'm much more able to handle situations that used to throw me into sweats and keep me away from people.

    Exercise is something I look forward to these days, where before it was a boring chore and difficult to do with a constant hangover so usually just blew it off. My weight had gone way up in the last 6 months so it was definitely time to deal with the beast once and for all - thank god for Dr. A!
    Happiness depends upon ourselves.
    Aristotle

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      Need help with Baclofen

      Hi here.i.am,

      Wow! You are doing very good!
      You might have reach the switch already.
      I think I have reached a switch on L-Glutamine.
      I have quit Baclofen because of the side effects.
      After that, I was looking for some other alternatives and
      I came across an article that says that there is a way to get off alcohol with supplements.

      DoctorYourself.com - Alcoholism

      I have found it very interesting. So I started taking:

      Vitamin C: 3 x 3000 mg
      L-Glutamine: 3 x 2000 mg
      Thiamin (B1): 2 x 500 mg

      The key ingredient is L-Glutamine as it can dramatically reduce alcohol craving for some people. It looks like it does this for me, as I am on my 27th day AF and do not crave AL at all.
      I think L-Glutamine can be used with Baclofen if you wish to lower your craving even more.
      If you buy L-Glutamine, buy the powdered form as it absorbs much faster than the pill
      form. If you feel the cravings just pop in a teaspoon of this powder under your tongue (approx 5 grams) and your craving is gone in minutes. That is what some people say.
      I do not know, because as I said I do not have any cravings right now.
      I know it will not work for everybody, but neither Naltrexone nor Baclofen do.

      Also Gabapentin and evening primrose have effect on alcohol cravings.

      Good luck!
      Keep up the good work!

      Brian

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        Great to hear HIA! Sounds like it's working. Maybe stay at 130 for a while and see how you go booze wise? The SE's should start to fade after you sit there a while.

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          I'm so glad, and thrilled for you, Sober! Really. That's just wonderful! I hope you'll stick around and participate on other threads too. Your experience is very valuable...

          HIA, I would try going up by 10mg before going down. I suggest this simply because it's a little tentative in the beginning and you might notice a cessation of SEs if you go up a tad. Lots and lots of us went down too quickly or too much and found the beast picked the lock...
          Yay to the exercise, too. I can't wait to get bac to it.
          Thanks for popping in!

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            Hi Ne,

            Thank you very much!
            I am really glad that I have found the solution for the biggest problem in my life. At this point
            I know that I will be able to quit the everyday drinking that was plaguing my life for a while.
            I had pretty much smooth sailing for almost a month now. It is a terrific feeling! I love it. I will be around, but probably move my posts to other threads since I am not on Naltrexone or Baclofen anymore.
            Anyway it looks like most of the people has put me on their ignore list anyway, since I am not
            a Baclofen fan anymore.
            I will be still lurking here and make some posts on other people's thread from time to time.

            Good luck on your journey!

            Brian

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              Brian, people don't have you on an ignore list. Most of the people here are taking medication, not supplements. For that reason, and that reason alone, your information is less relevant. It's still interesting, and you still have a very valid and useful experience! Please don't discount that.

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                I have commented along the way, and am thrilled you have found a way out of this. I just have nothing to add because I don't know anything about L-Glut.

                All the solutions are valid, and they all need to be documented.

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                  Excellent news Brian. I use L-Glut occasionally to try and keep my sweet cravings at bay, good to know it's working on your booze cravings so well. Did you drop baclofen completely? When was that?

                  The unexamined life is not worth living

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                    Hi Ne, bleep and Murphyx,

                    I understand that this thread about people who take medicine, as I started the same way.
                    My first attempt was Naltrexone. That is how I have found MWO. Then I have tried Baclofen.
                    I guess most of the people who wants to quit drinking and looking for some help, looking into medicine because nobody would think that the problem can be solved with natural supplements.
                    There is a book that was written by Roger J. Williams PhD who was a chemistry professor at the University of Texas and also former president of the American Chemical Society. He discovered several Vitamin B-s. (Thiamine, pantothenic acid and folic acid). In one of his book titled:
                    "Alcoholism. The Nutritional Approach" first came out in 1959, then reprinted in 1973
                    he mentioned that one of his associate Dr. William Shive was studying the effects
                    of alcohol on organism.
                    There is a study that was published by him in 1955.
                    "Reversal of Alcohol Toxicity by Glutamin". They also discovered that administering Glutamine to experimental rats diminishes materially their physiological urge to drink alcohol.
                    There are several references are given the efficacy of L-Glutamine against alcoholism.
                    One of the well known book by Joan Matthews Larson Ph.D. titled "Seven weeks to Sobriety" also partially based on the ground work of Roger Williams.
                    Lots of supplements are recommended in 7 weeks, but the main one is also L-glutamine
                    that reduces the alcohol craving so people can stay sober. The author writes in 7 weeks
                    that if her patients do not tale L-glutamine for a couple of days, then the craving returns to
                    previous levels before they started to take Glutamin.
                    According to her, their success rate is 74% at Health Recovery Center which she established a few decades ago.
                    MWO also sells L-Glutamin.
                    It is mind boggling for me that there is this knowledge out there for 50+ years that L-glutamin helps alcoholics patients with cravings and most of the doctors and treatment centers does not want to know about it. Society sends people to prison and put them on probation
                    rather than helping them with the disease. How many people are killed every day on the roads and how many people go to prison unnecessarily?

                    This is what Dr. Andrew W. Saul wrote about it in his article titled: A Protocol for Alcohol

                    DoctorYourself.com - Alcoholism

                    " Why, then, does the medical establishment keep Dr. Williams' knowledge filed away, out of your sight? The answer is classical: follow the money.

                    In America, there is a vested interest in disease. There is no profit in prevention. You make a whole lot more money treating alcoholism than you do not having alcoholism. It is the very "social cost" of this, and other diseases, that makes them profitable. It is a tough concept, but think about it: There is a shortage of special education teachers! America's courts and prisons are backlogged and overcrowded! Nursing homes have waiting lists! There are waiting lists for organ transplants! Medical costs are through the roof! What can we conclude? Simple: Business is good! In the PBS news program Affluenza, the point is made that every time a person is diagnosed with cancer, the nations Gross Domestic Product goes up."

                    I think it is very true and that is why the medical community also ignores Baclofen.
                    It is very sad!!

                    Anyway just wanted to say a couple of things about L-Glutamine.
                    It is also used by body builders in doses up to 40,000 mg daily. There is no side effects as
                    it is an amino acid that everybody has in his or her body. Looks like alcoholics can be deficient of it.
                    It is also used for curbing sugar craving, just like Murph and Bruun uses it.
                    Paul just started using it and looks like he will also benefit from it.
                    Maybe it could be used with Baclofen and if you use higher dose of Glut like 6-9 grams /day, maybe you could decrease your Bac intake and have less side effects.
                    Who knows!
                    If I was on Baclofen, I would certainly give it a shot.


                    Cheers,

                    Brian

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                      Hi Murph,

                      Murphyx;1161928 wrote: Excellent news Brian. I use L-Glut occasionally to try and keep my sweet cravings at bay, good to know it's working on your booze cravings so well. Did you drop baclofen completely? When was that?
                      Yes. I have quit taking Bac a couple of weeks ago. Actually I decided that I get off Bac about a month ago because my side effects were horrendous. That is when I started Glut and started to wean off Bac. I am happy that I got rid of all the SE that was associated with Bac.
                      I guess, some people are just unlucky with the side effects.

                      Cheers,

                      Brian

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                        Brian, I suggest you start a thread labelled something like "L-Glutamine and Cravings" or something similar, and post that post above as your opening post, then describe what you're doing and how it's working. At the moment, all this knowledge is hidden away on page whatever of a baclofen thread, and nobody searching is going to have an easy time finding it...

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                          Hi Bleep,

                          Yes, you are right!
                          I will do that under the Holistic healing treads.

                          Cheers,

                          Brian

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                            https://www.mywayout.org/community/f6...ht=L-glutamine

                            https://www.mywayout.org/community/f6...ht=L-glutamine

                            https://www.mywayout.org/community/f1...ht=L-glutamine

                            https://www.mywayout.org/community/f2...ht=L-glutamine

                            https://www.mywayout.org/community/f2...ht=L-glutamine

                            https://www.mywayout.org/community/f6...ghlight=L-glut

                            https://www.mywayout.org/community/f6...ghlight=L-glut

                            https://www.mywayout.org/community/f6...ghlight=L-glut

                            https://www.mywayout.org/community/f6...ghlight=L-glut

                            Hiya, Sober!

                            Those are just the hits from a cursory search with the not-very-effective search engine on here. They're all located in the Holistic forum.

                            It is worth noting that many of them are from people who are curious about whether or not it works, how it works, and how to take it... It's also worth noting that that particular area, which imho is vitally important for full body wellness, is underutilized. I'm not suggesting that you not participate here. Quite the contrary. I am suggesting that you could also participate there!

                            Keep on keepin' on, Sober! I appreciate the effort you are putting in to educate yourself, and us, about how to do this from a more traditional approach. There are many options, as you know, to finding A Way Out.
                            :l
                            Ne

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                              Need help with Baclofen

                              oops. cross posted. I see you've already found that!

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                                Need help with Baclofen

                                Thanks for the advice, for a while there I was thinking of bailing and reversing off the med. I have had strange dreams, waking 2-3 times a night, dry mouth, sleepiness throughout the day, and inability to focus. Splitting the doses into more frequent intervals helps, all the SEs I've read about elsewhere on the forum so know what to expect. I'm still AF but do think about it occasionally, but have no plans to acquire booze like I had late last month.
                                Happiness depends upon ourselves.
                                Aristotle

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