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    Turboscottomatic's Baclofen Journey and, BTW - Hello!

    Hi All,

    This is my first post on MWO and I want to say hello. I am a fair way into my baclofen journey (3 month titration) and am just getting around to a first post now. I mostly lurk around in the background of forums and read other people's interesting (and sometimes, not so... ;-) ) comments and experiences without contributing anything. I swore that I would break that bad habit and add my two cents - in the interest of offering my experience to anyone it might help and also to step into the light.

    As a beginning:
    I am a 48 year old male. I have been drinking and abusing every manner of drugs starting at about 12 years old. Continuously, though I had a 12 year hiatus from 28 yo to 40 yo. The first 3 years of the hiatus were a result of moving away from everyone I knew, out to the middle of nowhere, and going to about 10 AA meetings a week. The next nine years came from getting married to someone who was deep deep deep into AA/NA/MA. She was on the governing council (or whatever) of Marijuana Anonymous and was one of the Wise Old Timers at her AA group, where a hushed silence fell over the room whenever she opened her mouth. I stayed alcohol-free because I knew that my marriage would unravel if I started drinking again. I didn't want that. I began drinking again THE VERY DAY SHE LEFT when we split up and I never looked back. Since then, I have drank pretty much every day, for the past 8 years. I guess I missed a few days when I first started back up, but by the time I had been back in for, maybe, 6 months, I was drinking every day. I would say I drink about 360 days a year. The other five days are the ones where I miscalculate how much AL I have at home and the liquor stores close early (the horror!!).

    Never do I not drink in the evenings except by a horrible mistake! I drink about a third to a half quart of vodka in an evening. I drink alone, at home, in private. I rarely get drunk and I rarely blackout. I rarely do anything that requires 'undoing' the next day - though I send some inappropriate e-mails on occasion. I don't really binge. You can set your watch by my drinking. AL is like water to me. Must have, most familiar, very comfortable.

    I grew up in the gutter, dropped out of high school, but am a highly trained professional now - by sheer stubbornness. My drinking has thwarted my career development in a pretty big way.

    I'm getting tired and it is late. I have to get up early. But, as a reminder to myself for next time:

    1. I am bipolar, well controlled on meds.
    2. AL/heroin/meth addiction runs deep deep deep in my family and in me.
    3. I have been on a very slow baclofen titration by my psychiatrist for 3 months now.
    4. At 120/day now. Going up to 135/day starting tomorrow.
    5. Still drinking maybe 3 out of 4 days.
    6. BUT LESS.
    7. MUCH less obsessed/calculating re: AL inventory in the house.
    8. No switch or 'indifference' but slowly becoming indifferent if that makes any sense.

    I hope this isn't boring. I will carry on a little further as far as intro goes next time. And tell about my experiences with bac (as well as side effects) on a slower titration than some around here. Then go into a hopeful future where I hit some 'switch' or 'indifference' or creep up on it. I would like to live a life of normal length and satisfaction, which will be remarkable compared to the family which has come before me. So far so good. And THANK YOU SO MUCH to all who have contributed to these threads. An accidental Google search brought me here, which brought me to OA's book, which brought me to buy it for my psychiatrist, which has brought me part of the way to freedom. So far so good with it all. I think maybe God or Ralph Stanley or Johnny Cash has intervened and brought me here ;-)

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    Turboscottomatic's Baclofen Journey and, BTW - Hello!

    Great intro turboscottomatic (we have to abbreviate that. I'll call you Scott) a huge amount of what you've said chimes with me, particularly your background and your drinking habits. You're very much older than me (by 2 years) and you don't mention whether you have an enormous penis, so we are at variance on those two crucial points.

    May I ask where you are, are you having any side effects to the medication and what your psych's view is on an upper limit to the amount she is willing to prescribe?

    Welcome, btw! And congrats on finding bac. It's a relief to know there's finally a useful way out, isn't it?

    I'm looking forward to your next post.

    Murph

    :welcome:

    The unexamined life is not worth living

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      #3
      Turboscottomatic's Baclofen Journey and, BTW - Hello!

      You're both youngsters, I'll be seeing in 1/2 a century in about a month.

      Don't worry about Murph, we make allowances for mental age on these boards!

      Look forward to hearing your plight as you move towards 'normal' alcohol thinking and would also like to here about your psychs views and titration schedule.

      Welcome and good luck.
      Started Baclofen 3/9/10 Hit my switch at 250mg on 21/11/10 Present maintenance dose of 50mg : started drinking after 1 year, upped dose to 80mg and stopped: Tapered to 30mg, started 6 months of drinking, upped dose to 240mg to stop 12/7/12

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        Turboscottomatic's Baclofen Journey and, BTW - Hello!

        Wowsers, I'll type this slowly so you old-timers can read it. Hopefully you all hang in there long enough to glean some knowledge from those young enough to have not lost all their wisdom yet...

        Welcome to the forums Scott ( I really want to call you Turbo instead though). Well done on finding out about baclofen, that for me was the hardest part of the entire exercise! Points are to be awarded as well for finding someone who is willing to prescribe, you are in a rare minority there. As Murph says, does he have an upper limit?

        That is a gentle titration. Have you found that it has helped? You don't mention SE's, so I am presuming so for now. I'd be very interested to hear though.

        It's great you have started seeing a difference in your consumption. To be honest, it's all irrelevant though - when indifference is yours, it all just falls away. What you say about becoming indifferent makes perfect sense to me.

        Best of luck with the remainder of your long and satisfying life.

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          Turboscottomatic's Baclofen Journey and, BTW - Hello!

          Dammit, I was going to make the font bigger to help you guys read, but I forgot. It must be old age creeping up on me.

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            #6
            Turboscottomatic's Baclofen Journey and, BTW - Hello!

            :welcome: Turbo

            I was going to add something else, but I've forgotten what it was - probably because the small fonts distracted me.
            I'll do whatever it takes
            AF 21/08/2009

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              #7
              Turboscottomatic's Baclofen Journey and, BTW - Hello!

              LOL

              Hiya, Turbo. :welcome:


              Looking forward to reading more. This thread is already a lot of fun!


              Ne

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                Turboscottomatic's Baclofen Journey and, BTW - Hello!

                Bleep is right, we should call you Turbo. From now on your name is Turbo. I couldn?t care less if Scott is your given name, it?s rubbish compared with Turbo. :H

                BTW why do Americans say ?I could care less?, rather than ?I couldn?t care less?? ?I could care less? means you do actually care at least a bit, which is not the message you are trying to convey. The British say ?I couldn?t care less? as in ?no matter how hard I try, there is no way I could have any less interest because I already care as little as it is possible to care?. Just another reason why British English thrashes the arse off the vulgar American version.

                Oops, sorry for the rambling digression into xenophobic Little-Englanderism, back to you Turbo.

                The unexamined life is not worth living

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                  Turboscottomatic's Baclofen Journey and, BTW - Hello!

                  I was going to say, shut your cake hole Murph. Since you're writing and not talking, I mean something similar. :H Turbo is a far better name. Yes, you 'older' ones, I expect you to get your bifocals out. :welcome: my friend.
                  This Princess Saved Herself

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                    #10
                    Turboscottomatic's Baclofen Journey and, BTW - Hello!

                    I'm back.

                    My Mood: Normal
                    FOR THE BENEFIT OF THE BIFOCALERS: GO GET YOUR GLASSES!

                    Thanks to all of you lovely people for the lovely reception!!

                    I feel like a pretty girl in a pretty dress at her sweet sixteen party....

                    So first things first. I actually DO have an enormous penis. I didn't think it appropriate to bring up in a first post, but now that I'm well into my 2nd post I think it's the very best thing to discuss. It always comes out sooner or later ;-) I'm not sure if that puts Murph and I at variance or stricken with the same fortunate affliction. On a side note, I saw the graphic picture of representative Anthony Weiner's weiner today. I'm not sure how this is playing around the country and world, but it is front page stuff here in NYC because he is a New York US representative. If I were him, I would have keep the camera away from it. It is a far from impressive organ. Certainly not enormous like mine and Murph's. For the interested:

                    cache.gawker.com/assets/images/gawker/2011/06/0608_weinernsfw3.jpg

                    (copy and paste - I don't have enough posts to post a proper link)

                    Turbo?? Oy vey. What have I begun? My mother named me Scott. You all can call me whatever you want, as long as it's not a**hole. I would hate to get 500 posts into this forum with each reply ending: "Well said, a**hole." or "Shut up, a**hole." or Listen a**hole, that's enough out of you."

                    I am here in NYC trying to survive the 100 degree heat wave. I think this is the way the herd is culled in places like NYC and Chicago. Usually we will hear about a few people who died of heat stroke in a couple of days or so, in their apartments without any A/C. I hope I don't go to hell for saying that....

                    So, to complete my intro, so I can get that out of the way....

                    I am bipolar (primarily manic), but well-controlled on Lamictal (200mg twice a day) and Klonopin (about 1 mg a day total - varies). This has been a huge part of my 'getting better.' Those closest to me say that my attitude, communication, anger/rage have all improved by light years. A year ago I was a very angry 'fight or flight' person with poor communication skills and a self-loathing to impress any good suicidalist. Now I am a chilled-out, 'drive in the slow lane' kind of guy with only several simultaneous thoughts instead of maybe a few hundred simultaneous thoughts. Anyone with manic problems will know what that means and how exhausting and uncomfortable it is, in spite of appearing 'raring to go' and high-energy to the outside world. Being a manic bipolar appears to others like the kind of guy you want on 'your team' because of the perceived energy and enthusiasm, but it is utterly miserable from the inside. Think Charlie Sheen on a bit of a leash and without the psychosis.....

                    As far as the people I come from, my father died at 42 after shooting dope for 25 years. His only brother shot himself in the head in his late 20's, also a drunk and addict. My (estranged) younger brother is doing his best but has cirrhosis and major medical problems from drinking even more than I and a long history of meth and heroin addiction. I am not that different from my brother but I maybe have a more attentive angel on my shoulder, so I am not having as hard a time as him. My sister is more severely bipolar and in big denial. Otherwise, everyone is doing great!! Seriously, I put this out there for my own benefit and to state, for the record ( one time only - this isn't an AA meeting. No offense intended. ;-) ), that burying this part of me is a serious business.

                    My psychiatrist has done wonders for me, first of all by reining in the bipolar problems I have and making them manageable. Which bleeds over into all of my other life, making my relationships better, allowing me to repair some professional f*ck-ups I've created, etc, etc, etc.

                    He agreed to manage my Grand Baclofen Experiment when I brought him a copy of Heal Thyself. I told him I really wanted to do this and would he mind reading some of the book and discussing his comfort in managing this for me. (To my surprise) he read the entire book and was ready to talk terms 3 weeks later when I saw him. I think he knew I would do it myself if he refused - but that discussion (or threat) never came up. I felt good leaving the dosing and titrating in his hands since he agreed. Based upon what is in the book and what is on this forum, we have always talked about the possibility of a > 300/day dosing, with him always adding the caveat, "But them you'd cut back to some maintenance dose, right?" And I would always say, "Yes. Something like 1/2 the Dose of Indifference or so...." So we've always spoken the same language.

                    As far as the slow titration goes, that was his idea, not mine. Of course, like probably EVERYONE ELSE ON THIS FORUM, I wanted instant results starting yesterday or so, thank you and you're welcome. But this was new to him, he knew that this is a much higher dose than is usually prescribed, and he didn't want to hurt me in some outer-space he was unfamiliar with. He is a good guy and takes his credo, "First, do no harm" seriously. Looking back, I'm glad he did, since my side-effects have been present but manageable. Minimal. Certainly nothing that would cause me to cut back or abandon entirely (the horror!!). I commenced to be a philosophizer: It took a profound genetic 'gift' and 35 years of hard work to get me to where I am today. And not part-time pussy work either! I'm talking about full-time self-abuse, and not the Anthony Weiner kind. I philosophized: I can wait 9 or 12 months to get me out of where I am today, especially if I can do it so that I don't want to bail from intractable side effects.

                    Okay, now I need a nap. Probably from the 45 of baclofen I took 1/2 hour ago....

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                      #11
                      Turboscottomatic's Baclofen Journey and, BTW - Hello!

                      Welcome Turbo!!

                      Hope bac works as well for you as it has for many others here...I am waiting for my switch too!

                      Looking forward to following your progress!
                      "What lies behind us and what lies before us are small matters compared to what lies within us." Ralph Waldo Emerson

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                        #12
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                        welcome, turbo!

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                          #13
                          Turboscottomatic's Baclofen Journey and, BTW - Hello!

                          murph, that has always puzzled me, too, that thing about could/couldn't care less. it makes NO sense to say you COULD care less. certainly gives a mixed message.

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                            RudyB;1128316 wrote: murph, that has always puzzled me, too, that thing about could/couldn't care less. it makes NO sense to say you COULD care less. certainly gives a mixed message.
                            Glad I'm not the only one! I've always found this expression to be bizarre for the same reason. "I could care less" "Good! I'm glad you care!"

                            Now I'm chuckling because I'm recalling a conversation with a Glaswegian who has lived here in CA for many years but has kept his accent. I pointed this out and he said "Aye, I stell heve the occent, but ah've picked up some o' the lingo"

                            "Like what", asked I?

                            "Lahke "AAsome. And DUD!"

                            Now I re read my post, it isn't so funny written down as when I tell it in bars, but if anyone can picture a Glaswegian saying the word 'Dude', you might take some humo(u)r from it!

                            Paul.

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                              bleep;1127848 wrote: Wowsers, I'll type this slowly so you old-timers can read it.
                              That is sooo funny!!!
                              :H

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