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    #91
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    Hey Pete, that's actually not very funny. Rudy only has the one finger; shifting is impossible, but at least she can have a sex life...of sorts.

    And Vuze? Fuck yuze! It took hours to get that piece of crap off my 'puter. I had to slog my way through the registry picking out all the little bits of Vuze shrapnel. That's the last time I listen to the advice of a Septic.

    The unexamined life is not worth living

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      #92
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      I had to google Septic, but I see it now. You Limeys and your crazy butchering of English. :H

      Odd that you couldn't get Vuze to work. I just downloaded Clerks using it and am about to watch that I think Libya must have a faulty internet
      Knowledge of what is possible is the beginning of happiness.
      George Santayana

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        #93
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        I think I broke the internet when I downloaded all the porn. And I mean ALL the porn. I've seen it all. Except for the German, midget, scat flicks. There's still one or two of them I've yet to track down. :H

        I hate Vuze. It is shit. It is probably a conspiracy aimed at just pissing me off. Vuze sucks arse!

        The unexamined life is not worth living

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          #94
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          Try bittorrent
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            #95
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            Hey guys,

            So last Sunday I finally got around to going to the gym for the first time in about 5 weeks, and also had a soccer game at night. I've been having more energy since I started taking bac, but Sunday night I was very energetic and couldn't get to sleep, even after drinking the normal amount of beer.

            Yesterday and today I've been full of energy, but it seems kind of odd. Yesterday I tried smoking a cigarette and 10 mins afterward I started feeling panicky, like I had done too much coke or something. Same thing today after drinking coffee. I had drank coffee and smoked a few days ago, but no bad effects really. The only thing different I can think of is of course going higher on the bac(from 30 mg to 45), exercising, and taking coconut oil (I have a sneaking suspicion those coconuts are trying to kill me).

            Anyone have any effects like that from coffee or nicotine? I'd like to be able to drink coffee, but not if it makes me all panicky.
            Knowledge of what is possible is the beginning of happiness.
            George Santayana

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              #96
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              I'm now thinking it might just be the bac. I just got back from seeing my psychiatrist, and during that meeting I got that panicky feeling again, like something wasn't right. This is kinda freaking me out.
              Knowledge of what is possible is the beginning of happiness.
              George Santayana

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                #97
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                Hey Pete,

                Have you been prone to panic attacks in the past? I've not heard of baclofen causing them, but it's definitely possible, given what baclofen does to your brain. Doesn't sound fun. In fact, what the fuck am I talking about - I got the equivalent of one on my way up, it lasted a couple of hours, and was terrible. It was due in my case to titrating up way too fast, perhaps the speed is to blame? Try going up by smaller increments maybe?

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                  #98
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                  Hey, Pete.
                  I experienced terrifying panic attacks on the low doses. I'd never had them before, or didn't know that I had them, not sure.
                  Bottom line is that baclofen was the only single factor to which I could attribute the sudden and random onslaught of those fight-or-flight reactions.
                  I stayed at 30mg to 60mg for about 5 weeks because of them. Turns out that it was the absolute wrong thing to do in my case. Literally the day I took 70mg (or maybe it was 90mg? not sure) they ceased and they've never returned. In fact, 120mg, which I moved up to quite quickly after that, brought about the absolute most lovely bac experience I've had, pre-indifference.
                  I learned to manage the panic attacks with some old fashioned Cognitive Behavior skills I picked up in therapy. Breathing. Taking my pulse to prove to myself that my heart was actually behaving normally. Centering and focusing my attention. Pep talks, jokes, whatever, I focused on it at some point. I growled and hummed. (kid you not.) I also looked out of the corner of my eyes, because my panic attacks were directly related to nystagmus, a condition that causes the eyes to fix, rather than flow. A rare bac SE that I didn't know anything about until much later. Still, I knew what to do in the moment. I made a lot of phone calls to people I could just babble at, which seemed to normalize my breathing.
                  That's important, actually. Panic attacks start with the fight-or-flight adrenaline rush, but the reason they feel so terrible is because you (one) stop(s) breathing normally. This is actual fact, ftr. Too much carbon dioxide builds up and not enough oxygen in the blood and next thing you know your brain isn't getting the right stuff, and your limbs start to feel wonky because all of the oxygen is going to your vital organs. Kid you not.
                  And then it's simply over. Ta DA! The world moves on normally. Pissed me off, come to think of it!
                  Hang in, move up, this too shall pass.

                  Ne

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                    #99
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                    Yes to the coffee, but as a devout and thoroughly addicted pack+-a-day-smoker, I'm not sure if the nicotine had anything to do with it. And even if it did, I would've probably chosen smokes over serenity!

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                      Thanks for the replies, you two.

                      After feeling fine today after taking my dose, I've decided to trust my gut and say that I had a bad reaction to the coconut oil. I couldn't find much evidence of adverse effects online, save for people saying they couldn't handle eating it straight like I was doing. Last night 20 minutes after I ate some I got that feeling. I haven't had any today and am feeling normal again. I'm willing to accept pretty much any SE on my quest to achieve indifference, the only thing I don't want is that feeling that "something is really wrong," like I was starting to get with drugs and even sometimes alcohol, and got the past few days.


                      bleep - I've only had a few panic attacks, and those were specific situations that was not a part of what I was doing when I got these. It seemed weird that I would get anything with such low dose.

                      NE - great advice. That's what I was doing: breathing in slowly for 3 seconds, holding it for 3 seconds, breathing out for 3, and holding that for 3 seconds. It always helps!
                      Knowledge of what is possible is the beginning of happiness.
                      George Santayana

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                        Seeing the doc tomorrow

                        Hey everyone, just wanted to check in. Today's my 2nd day at 75 mg/day, and the only SE I've had really is drowsiness, which is expected. I started weighting my doses heavier in the evening to see if that'll help. I'm doing 20/20/35, and am thinking about just adding 5mg to each dose when I titrate up.

                        Bad news is my doc wants me to chill at 90 mg for a couple weeks so I don't over-shoot any indifference. I was feeling pretty crappy (the coconuts!) when I saw him to really argue, but I know that it's a really bad idea. I'm getting a roomate in a couple weeks and can't afford to waste any time chilling at a low dose and still getting smashed.

                        Good news is I was able to not get hammered last night, and the withdrawals were minimal. All I had was a nightmare of being chased by giant armadillo with (what I assumed to be) Murphy's head. Dear god what a horrible image.
                        Knowledge of what is possible is the beginning of happiness.
                        George Santayana

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                          Seeing the doc tomorrow

                          Whoa that's weird. I had a waking dream sort of thing last night when I got up to go to the lav. I glanced at my Borde Collie as I passed it and I could have sworn it had a human's head where its arse was. Very upsetting, but also strangely comforting when I realised the face was Sarah Palin.

                          How come you're splitting your dose in 3 Pete? More doses of lower level usually helps SEs. Having said that, I doubt it'll make much difference to drowsiness, not much does. Coffee! Do you drink much coffee? And I don't mean that ridiculous watery stuff Americans normally drink, I mean proper, strong, continental coffee.

                          Oh and happy Independence day. Why anyone would want to celebrate independence from Great Britain is beyond me. Really it ought to be Day of Public Regret, you ungrateful upstarts.

                          The unexamined life is not worth living

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                            Seeing the doc tomorrow

                            That is indeed a poor plan, imho. Hanging around at 90 for 2 weeks won't accomplish anything, except to draw this whole thing out.

                            Also, as Murph says, consider splitting your dose more. It really helps. Your plan of increasing every dose slightly is good, but at this point introducing another dosing time is probably more effective.

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                              Seeing the doc tomorrow

                              I agree that the plan is BS. I'm thinking I'll have to e-mail the doc and tell him there's no point in hanging at 90 mg. I'm doing 3x per day because that's how he split it up for me, but he said that at 120+ mg, he'll probably put me at 4x per day.

                              And Murphy, I can imagine how easy it is to confuse Palin with a dog's ass. They both put out the same amount of intelligence. However, it's a shame you can't appreciate what we did for you. After all, we gave you French fries and French toast. Not to mention fish tacos and pizza.

                              Edit: I forgot to address how I come from the city of caffeine. I'm pretty sure you would never had heard of coffee if it weren't for Starbucks. I accept your apology.
                              Knowledge of what is possible is the beginning of happiness.
                              George Santayana

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                                Seeing the doc tomorrow

                                Screw 4 times a day, go to 6. Or 8. You'll be surprised at the difference.

                                I've never even seen a Starbucks, and I'm sipping on fine cup of coffee as I type this, so don't over estimate the power of marketing!

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