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    #91
    Joes Baclofen Journal! (started 21/06/2011)

    Hi Joe, thanks for your comment on my thread. I hope all is going Ok with the Baclofen and that we all of us here come out of this. I really responded to your comment about family. Whoa, I know all too much about genes and GABA A and B and dopamine. I'm fully convinced that an inbalance in dopamine is to blame for addiction. Our brains are so finely tuned and little understood.

    What's worse for me, and I guess everyone on this site, is that theres a big difference between a social drinker or user of drugs to an addict. When something becomes an addiction, its something that has taken over your soul and your mind, and you lose all power and control over that. Who understands that a substance can take away your willpower. That without it you can't fuction. That's a terrible thing and I wouldn't wish on anybody. My problem BTW was from GBL (I was a Raver) and at the time it was like heaven in a bottle, albeit one of chemical solvents ( LOL ) But what GBL mimics is is both diazepam and acohol combined. Hence the long detox with valiums and the use of alcohol, but way before that I always had an an alcolol problem. Looking back it's what caused a lot of grief in my life.

    We all know it here..the loss of relationships, work, time, and over time the degeneration of you very soul. The dark depression after a binge, the guilt over what you have done. How we hurt those we love but don't remember a thing the next day.

    I hope to beat it hun, and I know we all will.

    And also that we can push harder for our health services about why they won't consider Baclofen as a drug that has the potential to help so many people.


    Solo
    AKA Sarah

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      #92
      Joes Baclofen Journal! (started 21/06/2011)

      And sorry ranting on my own probs - you just keep up the good work.

      i know you'll make it.

      PS here's a tip if you can't afford or run out. Am in same boat as you money wise. But first point of call is your GP and say you have serious mussle spasms and got a drug called Baclofen in chemist in Greece or Germany which helped, and could you have it again please as you lost the packet. Otherwise go to any number of walk-in NHS clinics with a false name etc and say you have just got back from said countries working for the last 6 years, whatever.. and that you have been on Lioresal ( the brand name for Baclofen) but your prescription has run out and it was working before, etc etc etc....

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        #93
        Joes Baclofen Journal! (started 21/06/2011)

        Congrats Joe, on your three weeks!

        Have you considered Dr Levin? If he gave you a script and you have health insurance, it would be cheap to continue on bac.

        Another option is to try gabapentin, it's not a sure thing but it has helped my mood alot which helps me to control my drinking.

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          #94
          Joes Baclofen Journal! (started 21/06/2011)

          Hi Joe, yes I do - I posted a reply in the wrong place, but those side affects sound exactly klik GBL (GHB)

          GHB takes control of both GABA A and B receptors in your brain, and give exactly the same effects you listed. Thats why its called liquid extasy. But its highly addictie, it mimics drink and diazepam combines to take over your neuroceptors that transmit GABA, hence the sweats, shakes etc if you become psycially addicted.

          I'd say ask are these SE's worse than those of booze, or do you feel better than being drunk or hungover? And are you able to function better on it than being drunk?

          Am waiting for my Bac to arrive... :-)

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            #95
            Joes Baclofen Journal! (started 21/06/2011)

            Post note - have done my research, and if taken in the right way, Baclofen is not addictive and is realtively easy to withdraw from, just not suddenly...it has to be taperred. Am doing this as well without a GP or doctor, just from what I've read and know inside will help :l

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              #96
              Joes Baclofen Journal! (started 21/06/2011)

              Thanks for all the info Solo appreciated. The SE's off Bac are much better than a hangover - thats one thing thats kept me going. My hatred of feeling rough all the time.

              Unfortunately Bruun I'm in the UK, I doubt I could get prescriptions for Bac from Dr. L

              Well, I went to the doctors this morning and asked for a prescription for Antabuse. He basically said not without psychiatric care / guidance from the drug and alcohol team. He give me a prescription for Campral instead - whats your take on Campral? Havent seen too much about it on here.

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                #97
                Joes Baclofen Journal! (started 21/06/2011)

                Yes! I've been granted financial support to do my computing degree with the open university. I was sure I wasn't going to get it due to starting a different university course in the past and failing due to alcohol and other problems. Can't wait to get stuck in, roll on October!

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                  #98
                  Joes Baclofen Journal! (started 21/06/2011)

                  Hey Joe. Congratulations! I've been reading your story. I've been taking baclofen for a couple of weeks and I've been thinking of stopping. I've been feeling crappy and didn't drink for 3 nights but not easily. I did last night but not too much. I was up to 80 mg spaced out during the day, no exact times. Maybe I should get on more of a schedule.

                  Anyway I was glad to hear you got the financial support!

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                    #99
                    Joes Baclofen Journal! (started 21/06/2011)

                    Did you start with 5mg at regular spaced intervals? yeah I think as the Bac builds up in your system you do start to get more side effects. Especially the somnolence and spaced outness! Hasn't been a major problem for me really as I'm on incapacity benefit so I'm at home all the time anyways - but for people who can go to work and need to lead a 'normal' life I can imagine it's quite hard to deal with.

                    I guess its up to you - if you feel like you can stick with it, then keep going if not, there are other alternatives out there

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                      Joes Baclofen Journal! (started 21/06/2011)

                      FYI - I love irishfairy. :h :l :h :l

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                        Joes Baclofen Journal! (started 21/06/2011)

                        Can I ask what GHB is?

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                          Joes Baclofen Journal! (started 21/06/2011)

                          Gamma-Hydroxybutyric acid - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

                          It's another drug based off of GABA like Baclofen is. While it is usual for alcohol withdrawal it is incredibly addictive itself. I guess that is why some claim that Baclofen gives similar effects, much more subtle but there are some similarities I notice.

                          You will become physically addicted to it faster then alcohol, only takes 1 month of dosing a few times every day. It was used in alcoholism studies before but not sure what came of that. I used it to get off alcohol in the past and while it works it is extremely hard to get off the GHB after you are done with aclohol.

                          Some of my best times in life were on it though, I was actually able to work 40+ hours a week and get promotions which is hard for me and I was able to attend the after work happy hours get togethers and only have a single drink. I rarely go to those sorts of things bet felt very social and wanted to go actually. I dunno it is sort of a double edged sword though.
                          Check out my Baclofen journey at http://baclofen4addiction.blogspot.com

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                            Joes Baclofen Journal! (started 21/06/2011)

                            Gamma-Hydroxybutyric acid - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

                            It's another drug based off of GABA like Baclofen is. While it is usual for alcohol withdrawal it is incredibly addictive itself. I guess that is why some claim that Baclofen gives similar effects, much more subtle but there are some similarities I notice.

                            You will become physically addicted to it faster then alcohol, only takes 1 month of dosing a few times every day. It was used in alcoholism studies before but not sure what came of that. I used it to get off alcohol in the past and while it works it is extremely hard to get off the GHB after you are done with aclohol.

                            Some of my best times in life were on it though, I was actually able to work 40+ hours a week and get promotions which is hard for me and I was able to attend the after work happy hours get togethers and only have a single drink. I rarely go to those sorts of things bet felt very social and wanted to go actually. I dunno it is sort of a double edged sword though.
                            Check out my Baclofen journey at http://baclofen4addiction.blogspot.com

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                              Joes Baclofen Journal! (started 21/06/2011)

                              AverageJoe;1155445 wrote: FYI - I love irishfairy. :h :l :h :l
                              Ha ha!! Good luck, nearly a month now! I just finished a degree with the Open Uni, it was great fun, hard work but you'll get a lot out of it.

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                                Joes Baclofen Journal! (started 21/06/2011)

                                Thanks for the GHB explanation Tim.

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