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[KatieSmiles]

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Thank you Tawns for making that perfectly clear.....gimme a smile will ya?

[KatieSmiles]

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K jumping out of meds and back where I belong..cya lovlies

[Murphyx]

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Ne/Neva Eva;1148814 wrote: I'd never agree. Unless I was under duress, which I am not.*

Edit:* You might be right, I can't remember what you wrote. Not the bac. Just the brain. Still adore you, MurphyXXX. So Nyah.

Oh, you think you can brush off my post like that? So far, you don't know the meaning of 'duress'. Just kidding.

If we haven't addressed your concerns, then please reiterate them.

And I adore you too :l

[bleep]

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SlipperyPete;1148868 wrote: I make the motion to declare that "I agree" is MWO's first meme.

I agree.

Ne, please point me to these newbie's threads who weren't responded to. I find it hard to believe I missed 6 of them in such a short space of time!

[beatle]

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Written ery quickly, no editing, so very repetitive. But I must post it now, or it will never get posted... and then I'll kick myself (this way I can just kick myself for posting it in haste and regretting it:H)

arghh! You all are getting this backwards and wrong and taking things personally that aren't meant to be and throwing in opinions and special experiences that "prove" your opinions and then even pointing out places where blogs could work better than consolidated threads, and ... I won't get into quoting 10 or so quotes here in the past 20 or so posts, but PEOPLE! Can somebody go back and read from the beginning please?

Ne, nor I , ever denigrated the blog style that has completely taken of the bac threads. I can't speak for her, but I'm pretty sure she would concur, in that the blogs are ESSENTIAL and have become some of the most valuable parts of the site. They have most likely brought in a lot of people who otherwise would have only lurked, gaining what info they could, and then going off on their own. While others/some might have dared to ask a question or two (which would ALWAYS be answered if posted as a new thread).

With the blogs, everything has become much more personal and social... these are real people -- uproarously funny, brutally honest, thoughtful, insightful, full of sharing and getting and giving advice.

ALL this is great!

But it means that if anyone just wants to find out a little more about baclofen and has about 20 minutes to take a quick peek, just wondering, maybe it could be something, this baclofen here... they find some dry sites with nothing other than one-way information, and one site with possibilities for interaction, but not much action.

Then they find MWO (or maybe they find it first ... doesn't matter, either way). It becomes apparent this is where real people are talking about real things... and it looks exciting and interesting and all, but you don't have time to get sucked into that, seeing as you are just looking into the idea of baclofen in the first place. Reading pages and pages of different people's blogs, as interesting and insightful as it may be, is not going to give you much incentive to continue looking into baclofen.

And bleep, Redh, Murph, I think all of you and others keep suggesting that all of the info is there in the blogs, but that is the point... you suggest that people need to read all the blogs to get the info? What kind of "reaching out" is that?

And RedH, after agreeing that it can be hard to get information from all the blogs, and how most people don't have the time to do that, you then call Ne out for a chance she could have used to reach out to someone who randomly came onto your blog, because you KNOW she reads your thread, and that was a missed opportunity? Sorry, this does not make sense to me. And it seems Murph is saying the same thing, keeping up his egocentric dickhead MWO persona, coming here and saying "MY blog has helped lots of people, hurray for me!"

(Sorry guys , all this may seem a little harsh, and all written out of memory, since I just can't take the time to go back and check, let alone quote, each one.

Ok, as far as stickies go, it seems to beout of the question. We can keep bumping up the consolidated info by constantly updating it. Stuff is happening all the time. A lot of it gets discussed on the blogs, pretty randomly. Why not keep adding those to consolidated info? So it stays up there, stays current, and is actually worthwhile?

Instead, it seems, some of you think it's fine to stay in your own little ego-blog world, and expect people to be so interested in your lives, your blow-by-blow experiences, thoughts, your acerbic sense of humour, etc. and let the others do the hard work of getting the very vital and important info that peppers your blogs. Hey, it's fun and interesting, why shouldn't they just read through 10,000plus blog posts and just have a good time and get isights while they're at it?

Ok, so the consolidated info thread should def be stickied. It doesn't seem to be an option, though. It could be constantly updated, and people could discuss recent information that comes forth, so that this becomes an interactive forum as well.

As for the others, SEs, titration schedules, many others in which multiple individuals contribute their own experiences in a consolidated way, etc. -- these should be constantly updated by people even if they have said it in their blogs already... and that way, whatever someone says in their blogs about SEs will actually reach a lot more people than those willing to follow thousands of posts over hundreds of days.

And it is NOT an either/or situation. It is a definitely BOTH needed situation. It's just HOW.

I'm a bit baffled by this whole discussion, actually.

And I do think Ne's original thread starter got completely misinterpreted and this thread went somewhere else it never should have been.

[Murphyx]

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Fair enough. This "egocentric dickhead" is out of here.

[RudyB]

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wow!

since stickies are out (??!!), why not just bump the consolidated threads w a bump. and, way i see it is newbies are always directed to these threads when they pop in on one of those egocentric blogs that give the puprorted 'blow by blow' accounts of every last move a person makes. kinda harsh, beatle, yes. (and that said in the same post in which you say these blogs are actually really helpful. i know you wrote it in haste, but you're sending two very divergent messages there.)

anyway, i'm out too. this thread has gotten so very negative, in a site that is overwhelmingly positive and helpful for the majority. ee ghads!

[SlipperyPete]

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beatle;1149009 wrote: Ne, nor I , ever denigrated the blog style that has completely taken of the bac threads.Sounds good.
beatle wrote: Instead, it seems, some of you think it's fine to stay in your own little ego-blog world, and expect people to be so interested in your lives, your blow-by-blow experiences, thoughts, your acerbic sense of humour, etc. and let the others do the hard work of getting the very vital and important info that peppers your blogs. Hey, it's fun and interesting, why shouldn't they just read through 10,000plus blog posts and just have a good time and get isights while they're at it?

Oh wait, you just did it...

I was surprised at the pure anger and hate from that post beatle. Looks like I've really misjudged you. I'd been wondering what the point of this thread was, but you made it perfectly clear it's to bash things that you don't agree with. This is insane.

[KatieSmiles]

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Oh geeze, peeps let go of your egos. There isn't one ounce of anger or hate in beatles post.

Excellent post Beatle, thank you.

[beatle]

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beatle;1149009 wrote: ...And it seems Murph is saying the same thing, keeping up his egocentric dickhead MWO persona, coming here and saying "MY blog has helped lots of people, hurray for me!"

(Sorry guys , all this may seem a little harsh, and all written out of memory, since I just can't take the time to go back and check, let alone quote, each one.
Murphyx;1149032 wrote: Fair enough. This "egocentric dickhead" is out of here.

MURPH! I very consciously put the word "persona" in there... meaning I know that's not how you really are. I guess I can see how it could be misconstrued, now. So, I apologize. But you, of all people (or personas, I should say), should be able to tolerate being called an egocentric dickhead. That's what you pose as much of the time, anyway

And still, I must say that the original post you posted, Murph, the one that I reacted to, was every bit as harsh as anything I said in my last one. And I believe you were the one who put it into a blogs vs. non-blogs context. And you were pretty high on your horse, too. (Not that that is an unusual position for you to be in... wait! how the heck would I know?!)

I'm not going to quote the whole thing, but you wrote:

"If anyone has any doubt about the importance of the blog type threads, I suggest they pop over to my blog, errr thread, errr interactive blog and read the posts from the last day. People have found it essential reading. ESSENTIAL reading. It has helped them through the whole process and without it they would have most likely quit and gone back to the booze. These are their words not mine. And these type comments come up there quite regularly and not just from people on baclofen or any med in fact."

ahem, ok. So we should all just read your blog then, and be done with the rest?

Or, just read all the blogs all the time and not worry about the time we have to spend to get the information we need?

Ok, enough. You know I love you personally Murph, and I know you are a kind and non-egocentric soul... but your persona certainly is not. That's the way you made it, and that's the way it is. Yes, you do reach many people, and your humour has got me through many a rough period (after I got over an even rougher period in which I was offended and hurt by you ... but all that is water under the bridge...)

Anyway, back to my posts... I stand by everything I said: BOTH blogs AND more consolidated, sharing of general information threads, specific concern threads, etc. are needed! (And btw, nobody ever doubted the importance of blogs, as far as I can see.)

I said the HOW is what matters! Not the EITHER /OR!

Since we can't do the stickies thing (and even if we did, not sure how interactive that would be), maybe we could all post things like thoughts, SEs, titrations, questions, ideas, on separate threads made for those specific concerns (as well as on our own blogs) so people don't have to follow so many people's diff threads to get the info they are sorely needing atm.

Later, others who stick around, can leisurely read through the blogs, and will probably enjoy them and get lots of vital info and support from them. And others, on bac or not, on meds or not, all those enjoying and getting inspiration from the Bac blogs can continue to do so. Nobody is saying "stop the blogs". And I doubt Ne, of all people, meant that.

In fact, at this point, I have no idea what Ne was trying to say anymore because it has all got washed away in a blogs vs. evil non-bloggers swamp that never existed.

I just want this site to be what it can be and for everyone to be happy. Not so much to ask, really?

[Bruunhilde]

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Somebody please blow up this thread?

[KatieSmiles]

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Bruun, the thread is important. The concerns are valid. I am not the best at keying, however I will try to put my ten cents in

Personal blogs are GREAT, they are raw and overflowing with information, human emotion and experience.

These blogs are (in my opinion) in the wrong place. Too bad MWO hasn't a "MEDS MY STORY" Forum...it's just not there, and will it ever be..who knows.

These blogs have inundated the meds forum, ...fun, yes...informative, certainly, forming friendships , bonding and getting support from other onliners is great BUT for someone new coming to the meds forum these blogs can be a tad intimidating and sometimes when one does jump in and ask a question they are ignored...not because the bloggers are rude, it's that due to the momentum of the thread the question gets lost.

Solution? who knows,... maybe it would have been better if the blog threads had been started in General, but they weren't and this is where we are at.....a whole Meds section full of personal blogs and not much else.

I doubt that it can be fixed, I have sent an email to the "Higher Powers" of this site regarding this issue...not holding my breath for any answers.

So bloggers, don't be so offended and protective of your precious blog..yes, it's important! It is! However valuable information is drowning because of them and it bothers some of us.

[Ne/Neva Eva]

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So here we are. Somehow this became the same old thing all over again. I'm going to try one more time with this, and make a correction or maybe two.

The first correction is this:

Ne/Neva Eva;1148814 wrote: I don't actually read all the threads anymore. Bums me out, but there it is. I mostly check in on the ones I know will reach out to me if they need me, specifically.

What I meant to write is that I mostly check in on the threads where people who don't have my cell phone, my email, my address and can't get my attention whenever they want it, if they want it. And same in return, of course. Which I've done many times.

The second one is not a correction of my own words, not even clarification of my thought. It's where the thread went about thirty seconds after I started it.
This was never about blogs or threads! I did not ONCE say that! My intention was to draw attention that it has become awfully quiet in here, with the exception of a very small group of people. I would like to take a look at the reasons for that. It is not about the blogs, or at least not just about them.

I made one other mistake. I can't bring that out, yet, because it will hurt feelings, and I DON'T PARTICULARLY LIKE TO DO THAT. I don't like the fact that feelings are getting stomped all over on this thread. Same people saying the same things. Take it somewhere else. THIS THREAD WAS NOT ABOUT ALL THAT...stuff. It was between me and my peeps and now it's just gone to hell and I'm mad about it and my feelings are a bit hurt that (collective) you thought I was attacking...you, collectively. And all the rest? pffft. whatever. I got no time for kerfuffle.
so there.

That's all. I don't want to start yelling.
Wish me luck, it's a big day tomorrow. I'll be on another thread, you can count on it.

[Ne/Neva Eva]

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oops. One more clarification:

I think I will lose my mind, my head might actually explode, if one more person suggests there is some kind of competition between forums, or ways out, on this thread.

I will try very, very hard to refrain from completely blowing up, but I am not making any guarantees. If you feel the need to spew that nonsense here, please be prepared to back it up. I find it personally offensive, given how much time and energy I've spent here, that it continues to be a refrain.

whew. had to get that one off my chest. Where's the emoti with wild eyes, green fangs and dripping saliva looking positively rabid? Maybe you'll come to the rescue Murph, and she'll be here looking positively frightening when I wake up. xo

[AllyB]

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Ne/Neva Eva;1149389 wrote: This was never about blogs or threads! I did not ONCE say that! My intention was to draw attention that it has become awfully quiet in here, with the exception of a very small group of people. I would like to take a look at the reasons for that. It is not about the blogs, or at least not just about them.

The thing is though NE you asked a question; "Why has the forum become so quiet?" and quite a number of people have given their opinion that it is because of the "blog" threads. That means it is, at least in part, about blogs as that is the answer to your question.

Fwiw, as someone who posted here a lot when it was busy and hasn't posted in months, and even then it was only on one specific question, I'm afraid I agree with the posters who suggest the blog posts are the major issue. I hadn't put my finger on it up until I read those comments but beatle and a few others have hit the nail right on the head. I pop over here every few days, read the thread titles, none I see are asking specific questions or about specific topics which I have advice or questions about, so I log off (after confirming that the family board is still dead).

I used to check some of the blog posts but they've usually headed off in a tangent, which is usually a good read if you are involved in it, but when you've just dipped in it's too "messy" so I stopped doing that after a while. As others have said, it isn't as if the blog posts aren't great or shouldn't have a place but they are drowning out the board's ability to be a place for n00bs to pop up on and ask specific questions and for those who have been through it and are far out the other side to help them.

The obvious answer would be for either a sub-forum for people's med diaries/blogs or for those blogs to move to the general discussion forum if such diaries are the norm there. I think the latter suggestion is better tbh, as the fact that people are having success with meds should be part of the general discussion about quitting/moderating and not tucked away by itself.