I really want to try Baclofen.

[SlipperyPete]

I really want to try Baclofen.

Alex, while I'm admittedly no expert on international drug trafficking, it doesn't make sense to me that they would hassle you for a legit Rx with your name on it. "Smuggling" is the wrong word. Maybe look at it as "Non-illicit transcontinental international medication transportation with intent to personal use." Seems simpler

[RudyB]

I really want to try Baclofen.

alex, what pete says is true, if maybe a mouthfull. if they want to know why you have it, it's none of your business. but, you could tell them you have ms, or that you have muscle spasticity.

for me, dr L gave his address and told me to send him a check. once he got it, i was clear to tell the pharm to call him. i think that's how it went. i guess that leaves a little lag time. maybe he would take a cc #, but i doubt it. as for the pharmacists, they'll grumble, but the nice ones will do it the backwards way.

good luck! let us know how it goes.

[Murphyx]

I really want to try Baclofen.

Alexcanada, don't worry about the smuggling thing. As Pete said, if you have a prescription for the medication then it's a non-issue. If you're still worried, just shove it up your arsehole before you reach the border. Problem solved.

[Ne/Neva Eva]

I really want to try Baclofen.

alexcanada;1178070 wrote: But someone mentioned somewhere that I have to pay him, how do I pay him? With a credit card over the phone? Some doctor sitting at home in his living room with a credit card processor? That seems weird, to me.

And then I have to go to the states during 7-9 EST and ask a pharmacist to call him for a prescription? I personally have never had a pharmacist contact a doctor, usually it is the other way around.

Then I guess I have to declare it to customs as I re-enter Canada?

..... I don't smuggle. Ever! I always want my border crossings to be easy.

:H
Hiya, Alex. Not laughing at you, but with you. I've been there.
The good doc is not a pill dispensary. But that's funny. He doesn't take credit cards. Which I find very annoying. But since he can barely use his iPhone I shudder to think what he might do with a credit card machine.

The scenario you've set up sounds very exciting. But that's not how it plays out. (I'm almost sad about that!)
It's a legitimate prescription for a legitimate illness offering a legitimate...way out.

The pharmacy thing: I don't exactly get it, except I do. It's the simplest, quickest way for those of us who really want to get a script to get it, and he doesn't have to keep track of it. (Imagine him as an absent minded professor rather than a seamy drug dealer and you'll be much closer to the actual picture. You can find a thread started by Redhead77 with a pretty vivid description of the man and his office if it helps! I'm not being snarky! I get where you're coming from completely!) Bottom line is that you can talk to him about all of your concerns. After I stopped blubbering I asked him point blank why he was doing this, what his motivation was, whether or not he was getting rich, and why I should trust him. Those were the nice questions. In the meantime I was snooping around the internet and other places trying to make sure it was all true and he wasn't Dr. Evil.

I suppose you could declare it. And then you could explain it to anyone standing nearby. But no one gives a hoot. Do you declare your cholesterol medication?

AC, maybe it will help to think of it this way: You have a disease. You're sick. There is a medication, but it's not widely known. Some doctors are going out of their way to help on a very personal level. One person to another. hmmm. Reminds me of another program that uses much the same approach to help people with our disease. Right?

Read around, ignore the bull shit. You'll find some comfort, maybe. I did.
:l

[RudyB]

I really want to try Baclofen.

hey alex, how's it going?

just ftr, i wasn't meaning to dog aa. i purposely didn't mention that that ex-friend used to go to aa. he did get sober through it. sure, some people are dogmatic about what they take from aa. but clearly not all, and it does help many.

it is important to use as many tools at your disposal that you see fit. speaking of fit, your exercise, i'll repeat, will be instrumental in your healing, so carry on!

[alexcanada]

I really want to try Baclofen.

Well I did it. I shoved it up my arse just like Murphy suggested. That bottle hurt like hell!! The border guard was a little suspicious as sweat was dripping down my face and I was sitting weird and shifting so much because I had to clench so hard but I did it...........!




No I didn't do it. Although, I did go to my doctor and he said no to Baclofen. AA, go to a meeting. He gave me a script for Valium and that's it. Highlight of my day.

[RudyB]

I really want to try Baclofen.

darn it! your old doctor is a stupid.

[Murphyx]

I really want to try Baclofen.

Alex, I have one word to say to you: lubricant.

Oh and forget about trying to get it from your doc, go the Dr L route. It's sensible and it's safe, so stop worrying about it and just do it, OK?

:l

[alexcanada]

I really want to try Baclofen.

Being a drunk wanting to not be a drunk is really confusing. Part of me wants to just do the whole Baclofen thing, order online or Dr. L. , go the states and pick it up and no one here in Canada has to know anything about my addiction. Seems so civilized, so proper, so dignified. No shame, not embarrassing. Sit at home, take a pill and increase the dose until I quit.

After my doctor said no to Baclofen I called a Daytox program here today and just asked questions. The nurse answered all my questions and said they could safely help me detox while I continue to work and live my life. I just felt like crying while I was talking to her, I never cry. I just felt like I needed some help, someone to come in and help me with my life. I am tired of being stoic.

I just drink the night away, blur away the feelings and then wake up in the morning and put a smile on my face during the day pretending everything is okay until I pick up that bottle of wine the next night, when all does becomes well again.

First before I can do the Daytox thing I have to register with a government run Central Health Authority, I work in health. I sat on the phone for about 20 minutes on hold before I panicked and hung up. I could not handle it. But I won't forget that moment where I felt like I just needed help.

In those few moments while I talked to the nurse I envisioned taking responsibility for my actions, I envisioned pain, I envisioned freedom, I envisioned uncomfortable situations, I envisioned running instead of drinking, I envisioned cooking a lovely dinner and going to the gym instead of picking up a bottle of wine, I envisioned salvaging a relationship with my teenage child before it is too late.

I have too much crap has happened to me in my life that I have never talked about or shared, that needs to be dealt with. I am so torn, I would love to get sober without dealing with the shame but part of me just needs someone.

I can't do this alone, that is all I know.

[Running4life]

I really want to try Baclofen.

Hi:
I am in Canada too and near the border as well. I have been trying to find out how to get Baclofen as well. I tried Camprol but it didn't work and really increased my anxiety level. I need to do something so would be interested in the contact info for Dr. L.
I am seeing an addiction specialist at the end of the month and hoping he will prescribe something for the cravings.
Stay strong and keep posting here. This site and the people on it offer wonderful support.
Thanks all of you for being there.

[Ne/Neva Eva]

I really want to try Baclofen.

alexcanada;1178990 wrote: Being a drunk wanting to not be a drunk is really confusing. Part of me wants to just do the whole Baclofen thing, order online or Dr. L. , go the states and pick it up and no one here in Canada has to know anything about my addiction. Seems so civilized, so proper, so dignified. No shame, not embarrassing. Sit at home, take a pill and increase the dose until I quit.

After my doctor said no to Baclofen I called a Daytox program here today and just asked questions. The nurse answered all my questions and said they could safely help me detox while I continue to work and live my life. I just felt like crying while I was talking to her, I never cry. I just felt like I needed some help, someone to come in and help me with my life. I am tired of being stoic.

I just drink the night away, blur away the feelings and then wake up in the morning and put a smile on my face during the day pretending everything is okay until I pick up that bottle of wine the next night, when all does becomes well again.

First before I can do the Daytox thing I have to register with a government run Central Health Authority, I work in health. I sat on the phone for about 20 minutes on hold before I panicked and hung up. I could not handle it. But I won't forget that moment where I felt like I just needed help.

I have too much crap has happened to me in my life that I have never talked about or shared, that needs to be dealt with. I am so torn, I would love to get sober without dealing with the shame but part of me just needs someone.

I can't do this alone, that is all I know.
Dear Alex, I could have written what you wrote. Just that.
Being a drunk and not wanting to be a drunk is very confusing when you're still a drunk. It's much less confusing when one is not drinking against one's will. Then it becomes completely understandable in this way: I drank against my will. I couldn't stop. It had been drilled into me, for decades, that personal accountability and stoicism was exactly what it was going to take to find a way out.
So I became personally accountable for my health, rather than for my disease. I read A LOT. I did a ton of research. I fired more doctors than most people see in a lifetime. I didn't have time to deal with their close-minded, unhelpful, dismissive approach when those things simply don't work for almost all of us. They don't. There is no arguing that fact. That stuff shamed me and made me feel less than. At it's worst, it is not humbling, but humiliating.

I knew that I couldn't do it on my own. Human beings are social creatures by nature and need each other. That is also a truism found in both biology and in any kind of recovery. So I actively made friends here. I crossed lines and reached out and carved out a little space where I could find support, and offer it.

Then I took the damn pills, in the privacy of my own home, without declaring to one more person that I was drinking against my will. No shame. No humiliation. Lots of irrational fear and overwhelming angst, but I woke up every morning and took the pills. Even though for a while I was still coming home every evening and drinking (a lot of) wine.

alexcanada;1178990 wrote: In those few moments while I talked to the nurse I envisioned taking responsibility for my actions, I envisioned pain, I envisioned freedom, I envisioned uncomfortable situations, I envisioned running instead of drinking, I envisioned cooking a lovely dinner and going to the gym instead of picking up a bottle of wine, I envisioned salvaging a relationship with my teenage child before it is too late. .

I have all this now. I don't have to take responsibility for things that I did while drunk, because I don't do those things anymore. The pain of drinking against my will is completely removed. I am free. I am sometimes uncomfortable. (3 inch heels don't help. Neither does complete indoctrination into shameful and humiliating recovery programs.) I cook lovely dinners. Sometimes for many people. More importantly, sometimes I do it just for me. Getting hungry at night, and wanting to actually eat something, was a completely new experience for me. The majority of my calories used to come from wine.
My husband and I were headed for divorce. We didn't like each other, didn't know how to communicate through the haze, it seemed our only common ground was alcohol. I wondered if we would ever patch the gaping wound. I was not optimistic. We are now very happy, together and independently, with one another. I am actually very proud of him! And he of me! He seeks me out to tell me things! We look forward to having moments together! Now that we're both incredibly busy we actually carve out time to spend just with each other. It's very, very different now. For the first time I am very excited about the future.

This is long enough. Read, Alex. There is hope and solace and camaraderie here. It's been offered to you. There is also a way out. It's simple, without shame and without condescension. You won't need outrageously expensive detox. You won't need ridiculous mimeographed copies of Goals To Keep You Sober. (or whatever) You just need your medication.
Good luck with the mental struggle, my friend. Rest assured, you can have it all, too.

Running4life;1179010 wrote: Hi:
I am in Canada too and near the border as well. I have been trying to find out how to get Baclofen as well. I tried Camprol but it didn't work and really increased my anxiety level. I need to do something so would be interested in the contact info for Dr. L.
I am seeing an addiction specialist at the end of the month and hoping he will prescribe something for the cravings.
Stay strong and keep posting here. This site and the people on it offer wonderful support.
Thanks all of you for being there.

Perhaps Alex can share this information with you. Think of it, Alex, as reaching out a hand. An integral part of other recovery programs (all of them, not just for addiction.)

If that doesn't happen, PM me.

Hope it's a good Sunday for you peeps.
:l

[gotta stop]

I really want to try Baclofen.

alexcanada;1178990 wrote: Being a drunk wanting to not be a drunk is really confusing. Part of me wants to just do the whole Baclofen thing, order online or Dr. L. , go the states and pick it up and no one here in Canada has to know anything about my addiction. Seems so civilized, so proper, so dignified. No shame, not embarrassing. Sit at home, take a pill and increase the dose until I quit.


I have too much crap has happened to me in my life that I have never talked about or shared, that needs to be dealt with. I am so torn, I would love to get sober without dealing with the shame but part of me just needs someone.

I can't do this alone, that is all I know.

Alex,
WTF? Call Dr L. Get the perscription. These pills are not illegal - you are not going to get in trouble at the border. If it was medicinal marijuana - I would say screw that, but they are just perscription meds! People from Canada go to the states all the time to get medical help when they cant get it here. They dont get stopped at the border and charged for having meds from their treatment.
Dude - it IS just that easy. Make the call - go get the pills. What was the purpose of your visit? Went to visit friends. Get home, take the pills and let NE and the others help you. No one needs to know anything until you are ready.
You are not alone. But you have to take that first step.

[Dosage0]

I really want to try Baclofen.

Well Alex,

This is just my personal experience... I don't live in anyone else's mind so I cannot comment on how you feel. I know that, for me, detox programs are great and AA is a great place to get support, but it really doesn't address the root cause of my alcoholism. I can get sober through a detox program, but who is to say that I won't begin drinking again right after I leave the facility? I know friends who have been sober for 20+ years on AA and are living great lives. If that will work for you, go for it! I can only tell you my own personal experience and that is that I am extremely high strung. I am anxious about being anxious. I am worried over every little thing. I am like a record player that skips on the same idea or problem for hours at a time. I can put those thoughts aside and live a life where I work, have relationships, have friends, own a car, and rent a house, but the thoughts are ALWAYS there. I have tried anti depressants, I have tried therapy, and I have tried AA. Even when I was sober for 5 years I still had this underlying uneasiness of living. Alcohol was the only thing I found that left me relaxed and that is why I drank it.

Baclofen has a profound impact on my thought patterns. From the first time I took a very small dose I felt its effects immediately. People around me, my girlfriend especially, noticed a difference right away. I was getting comments about how I seemed relaxed and not worried like I normally am. This is at a dose of only 1/4 a pill. I still drink and I know that my alcoholic mind still screams for booze, but it is at a diminished rate. I don't seem to worry as much about the everyday things. I seem to take things more as they come and not worry about what happened in the past.

When I read about other people's experiences and thought patterns, it fits me. On Bac I feel more like I can live life. I am more motivated to do things. I am more motivated to work out, take a walk, fix a problem, and just not live in my own head.

Dr. L is one phone call away. Call him and get a script. Try it for one week and see if you feel any different. It literally will take you a few hours to get something that might change your entire life.

Hope you find whatever works for you,

Rob

[xsiv1]

I really want to try Baclofen.

Hi all, I'm in the same boat as Alex. Could someone please share Dr L's contact information with me in a PM and what I'm supposed to say to him? Otherwise, I might just try the online prescription route and throw caution to the wind.

[xsiv1]

I really want to try Baclofen.

xsiv1;1181026 wrote: Hi all, I'm in the same boat as Alex. Could someone please share Dr L's contact information with me in a PM and what I'm supposed to say to him? Otherwise, I might just try the online prescription route and throw caution to the wind.

Can anyone help me with this? Or...does anyone know if I can order Baclofen online (like at Goldpharm) and get it shipped to Canada? Any advice or a number would be greatly appreciated.