NE/Neva Eva,
Deep down inside, I think you are a nice person that truly wants to do the right thing.
Unfortunately you didn?t even bother to find out what the conversation was ? or lack of ? between Murphy and I, so I will insert here:
Originally Posted by missyabby1
Ne, it was on his thread, I am sober sometimes, and am reasonably intelligent too. Ig, don't like the tone of your post at all. Thought we were all here to support each other. But go ahead and make fun. We people who have alcohol problems are used to that, but unfortunately it is even more hurtful when it comes from our own. I know where the post was and I know the date I posted it, you can believe it or not, I don't really care.
And Ne, why would i post such a reply to someone else's thread when I was agreeing with your post on Bluto's thread.?
Where are the posts now? I honestly believe people here can move posts somewhere else. I remember that Murph once said that a post had been moved from one person's thread to another. And it wasn't in quote fashion either.
I would not have started this thread if I believed this not to be true. But go ahead, make fun. I know my integrity is intact. And that is all I need to know.
Missy
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Originally Posted by Murphyx
No I didn't. You're imagining things.
I wrote:I couldnt find it either Missy, I believe it was the thread where Bluto went completely off on Geekteeth, which seemed to come out of nowhere.
As far as moving posts, posts can be copied from one thread and quoted into another.
As far as Murph's comments, as well as many others here, not neccesarily pertaining to this situation - Why do people feel the need to belittle others? People who come here are sufferring from a horrible disease. Have we forgotten that? Have we forgotten that we should treat each other with respect and dignity? Do two wrongs make a right? I am so dissappointed with some of the actions here. We have people who have been here a while - people that others look to for guidance. Those people who clearly want to be seen as go to people should treat EVERYONE with respect. I'd hope that we are not just picking and choosing who we wish to support. I think it's time everyone resets here.
I was not name calling, not being confrontational ? just hoping for everyone to step back and start over. I was told then by Murphy to ?Get over myself?
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Originally Posted by tawnyfrog
We in Ostraya believe the saying is "One shouldn't cut off their nose ..."
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Originally Posted by Murphyx
Sorry, but wtf was the point of your post? To point out that someone wrote of instead of off? Was that it? Wow, thanks so much. It really is worth taking the piss out of someone for a minor typo isn't it? Good job!
What the fuck is wrong with some of the people on this forum? Do you really have nothing better to do?
I'm just about done with you lot.
- You say that this is coming from a ?gentle and caring man".
- You send me a PM and state:
Gotta stop,
I respect your right to anonymity. I respect the input and advice and suggestions you have offered. I respect, from what I know of you, you.
I am apoplectic, outraged, incensed, and beside myself that someone would call Murphy abusive.
You know nothing, not one thing, about MissyAbby. She herself has asked Murphy for forgiveness for the outrageousness of her behavior toward him. She has asked me privately to extend her sorrow, regret and remorse to him about exactly that. When she attacks him, she is drunk.
If, indeed, like so many many of us, you have been subject to abuse you would never use the term so lightly. If, for some reason, you feel overwhelmed or threatened by something he's posted, I recommend you offer him the opportunity to help you with that. If you are simply reacting to an insult or a jibe, then you are not offering support or kindness.
I cannot take this to the forum. I cannot leave this alone. I know Murphy intimately. I know that he struggles, just as we all do, with the things said to and about him on the forum. I KNOW for a fact that he wants nothing but to offer support and a joke.
I sincerely hope that you and I can work through this. I need your help with that, too.
From this PM, I felt the following
You have decided that because I used the word abuse that I am a liar.
You feel that even though he was very rude to me that I should have given him an opportunity to ?help me? with that.
You say he wants to offer nothing but support here?
You said you didn?t want to take this to the forum, which I honoured, but then you posted the following.
Originally Posted by Ne/Neva Eva
I sincerely hope that what you've written here is not a taunt. Or worse. I am simply going to hold my breath for the next several hours before I check back. I really don't want to misunderstand that comment.
Because I might think that you were reacting to a comment on a different thread. One that labels my friend, a man I know to be both gentle and very caring, as (I have a hard time writing this) abusive. Because he told someone that they should 'get a grip.' Or something to that fact. And I, in fact, concur. That getting a grip, or whatever, is very much called for around here.
Because my take on that is that if the person responding to that comment was a man, let's say for just a moment, and got pissed off about it, they might say something like, "Say, bugger off wanker." But if it is, as it is in this case, a woman responding, and she starts using words like abusive, I would have to think that the woman in question has NO idea what that term means. Or perhaps there was something else I misunderstood.
I did actually take this, my confusion and my concerns, off of the forum. Because I want to tread very carefully. We are all very fragile. And this is beginning to feel an awful lot like a...witch hunt with an unruly mob.
So, on the assumption that one would never gloat, or taunt, or make light of such a situation, I'm just going to return to studying. And I'm sure that I will be embarrassed, maybe even mortified, about the assumptions I've made about that simple little sentence.
Where are those chicks from the General Discussion area? Maybe they'll just stay a while. It would be really, really nice to laugh instead of groan. Or moan. Or foam at the mouth. When I visit beloved MWO. Ya' know?
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Originally Posted by Ne/Neva Eva
Alright, folks. I hear you Bruun. Despite my best intentions. Despite the fact that I am not a bully. Despite the fact that I would really, really love constructive criticism, have openly asked for it and responded with due diligence when I felt that I was wrong or hurt someone's feelings.
I am not, when it all boils down to it, only-bac all the time. In point of fact I asked Doggygirl, lo those many months ago, to step in and visit you when you found you were unable to take bac. I knew I couldn't help, as it was the last ditch for me. And you and I had already had a "discussion" about it that only made it worse...
If someone had a problem with something Murphy said the honorable and decent thing to do would have been to take it offline. Every single time I have "attacked" some one, I've started by trying to find understanding and common ground off line. And ftr, I make no apologies for calling bull shit when I see it. Whether it's Bill P or someone about to quit bac because they have a fucking cold. In spite of the fact that it is working for them.
Abrasive, maybe. Attacking and hurtful? Whatever.
I've got to be done here. It's painful. And expletive expletive infuriating. Bleep and beatle had the right of it.
I mean what I say ? I do not wish to cause drama but I will not allow myself or anyone else to be bullied.
You brought this back online ? you did not try to see my side of things.
And your gentle and very caring man has just posted derogatory comments about lesbians. Hmmmm.
I do not need a response, I do not need anything from you ? or him, I just think you need to think about the way you approach these things.
Deep down inside, I think you are a nice person that truly wants to do the right thing.
Unfortunately you didn?t even bother to find out what the conversation was ? or lack of ? between Murphy and I, so I will insert here:
Originally Posted by missyabby1
Ne, it was on his thread, I am sober sometimes, and am reasonably intelligent too. Ig, don't like the tone of your post at all. Thought we were all here to support each other. But go ahead and make fun. We people who have alcohol problems are used to that, but unfortunately it is even more hurtful when it comes from our own. I know where the post was and I know the date I posted it, you can believe it or not, I don't really care.
And Ne, why would i post such a reply to someone else's thread when I was agreeing with your post on Bluto's thread.?
Where are the posts now? I honestly believe people here can move posts somewhere else. I remember that Murph once said that a post had been moved from one person's thread to another. And it wasn't in quote fashion either.
I would not have started this thread if I believed this not to be true. But go ahead, make fun. I know my integrity is intact. And that is all I need to know.
Missy
Quote:
Originally Posted by Murphyx
No I didn't. You're imagining things.
I wrote:I couldnt find it either Missy, I believe it was the thread where Bluto went completely off on Geekteeth, which seemed to come out of nowhere.
As far as moving posts, posts can be copied from one thread and quoted into another.
As far as Murph's comments, as well as many others here, not neccesarily pertaining to this situation - Why do people feel the need to belittle others? People who come here are sufferring from a horrible disease. Have we forgotten that? Have we forgotten that we should treat each other with respect and dignity? Do two wrongs make a right? I am so dissappointed with some of the actions here. We have people who have been here a while - people that others look to for guidance. Those people who clearly want to be seen as go to people should treat EVERYONE with respect. I'd hope that we are not just picking and choosing who we wish to support. I think it's time everyone resets here.
I was not name calling, not being confrontational ? just hoping for everyone to step back and start over. I was told then by Murphy to ?Get over myself?
Quote:
Originally Posted by tawnyfrog
We in Ostraya believe the saying is "One shouldn't cut off their nose ..."
Quote:
Originally Posted by Murphyx
Sorry, but wtf was the point of your post? To point out that someone wrote of instead of off? Was that it? Wow, thanks so much. It really is worth taking the piss out of someone for a minor typo isn't it? Good job!
What the fuck is wrong with some of the people on this forum? Do you really have nothing better to do?
I'm just about done with you lot.
- You say that this is coming from a ?gentle and caring man".
- You send me a PM and state:
Gotta stop,
I respect your right to anonymity. I respect the input and advice and suggestions you have offered. I respect, from what I know of you, you.
I am apoplectic, outraged, incensed, and beside myself that someone would call Murphy abusive.
You know nothing, not one thing, about MissyAbby. She herself has asked Murphy for forgiveness for the outrageousness of her behavior toward him. She has asked me privately to extend her sorrow, regret and remorse to him about exactly that. When she attacks him, she is drunk.
If, indeed, like so many many of us, you have been subject to abuse you would never use the term so lightly. If, for some reason, you feel overwhelmed or threatened by something he's posted, I recommend you offer him the opportunity to help you with that. If you are simply reacting to an insult or a jibe, then you are not offering support or kindness.
I cannot take this to the forum. I cannot leave this alone. I know Murphy intimately. I know that he struggles, just as we all do, with the things said to and about him on the forum. I KNOW for a fact that he wants nothing but to offer support and a joke.
I sincerely hope that you and I can work through this. I need your help with that, too.
From this PM, I felt the following
You have decided that because I used the word abuse that I am a liar.
You feel that even though he was very rude to me that I should have given him an opportunity to ?help me? with that.
You say he wants to offer nothing but support here?
You said you didn?t want to take this to the forum, which I honoured, but then you posted the following.
Originally Posted by Ne/Neva Eva
I sincerely hope that what you've written here is not a taunt. Or worse. I am simply going to hold my breath for the next several hours before I check back. I really don't want to misunderstand that comment.
Because I might think that you were reacting to a comment on a different thread. One that labels my friend, a man I know to be both gentle and very caring, as (I have a hard time writing this) abusive. Because he told someone that they should 'get a grip.' Or something to that fact. And I, in fact, concur. That getting a grip, or whatever, is very much called for around here.
Because my take on that is that if the person responding to that comment was a man, let's say for just a moment, and got pissed off about it, they might say something like, "Say, bugger off wanker." But if it is, as it is in this case, a woman responding, and she starts using words like abusive, I would have to think that the woman in question has NO idea what that term means. Or perhaps there was something else I misunderstood.
I did actually take this, my confusion and my concerns, off of the forum. Because I want to tread very carefully. We are all very fragile. And this is beginning to feel an awful lot like a...witch hunt with an unruly mob.
So, on the assumption that one would never gloat, or taunt, or make light of such a situation, I'm just going to return to studying. And I'm sure that I will be embarrassed, maybe even mortified, about the assumptions I've made about that simple little sentence.
Where are those chicks from the General Discussion area? Maybe they'll just stay a while. It would be really, really nice to laugh instead of groan. Or moan. Or foam at the mouth. When I visit beloved MWO. Ya' know?
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ne/Neva Eva
Alright, folks. I hear you Bruun. Despite my best intentions. Despite the fact that I am not a bully. Despite the fact that I would really, really love constructive criticism, have openly asked for it and responded with due diligence when I felt that I was wrong or hurt someone's feelings.
I am not, when it all boils down to it, only-bac all the time. In point of fact I asked Doggygirl, lo those many months ago, to step in and visit you when you found you were unable to take bac. I knew I couldn't help, as it was the last ditch for me. And you and I had already had a "discussion" about it that only made it worse...
If someone had a problem with something Murphy said the honorable and decent thing to do would have been to take it offline. Every single time I have "attacked" some one, I've started by trying to find understanding and common ground off line. And ftr, I make no apologies for calling bull shit when I see it. Whether it's Bill P or someone about to quit bac because they have a fucking cold. In spite of the fact that it is working for them.
Abrasive, maybe. Attacking and hurtful? Whatever.
I've got to be done here. It's painful. And expletive expletive infuriating. Bleep and beatle had the right of it.
I mean what I say ? I do not wish to cause drama but I will not allow myself or anyone else to be bullied.
You brought this back online ? you did not try to see my side of things.
And your gentle and very caring man has just posted derogatory comments about lesbians. Hmmmm.
I do not need a response, I do not need anything from you ? or him, I just think you need to think about the way you approach these things.
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