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**tiptronic_ct** · October 26, 2011, 02:47 PM

Phill Thomas - The Bac Man

Are you talking about this Phillip Thomas???

https://www.mywayout.org/community/f2...mas-50512.html

**Otter** · October 26, 2011, 02:49 PM

Phill Thomas - The Bac Man

Yes, Tip. How did you guess. I did not credit you with those powers of observation.:goodjob:

**tiptronic_ct** · October 26, 2011, 02:52 PM

Phill Thomas - The Bac Man

I have my moments, Otter :thanks:

**Otter** · October 26, 2011, 02:56 PM

Phill Thomas - The Bac Man

Anyway, Phill doesn't post here anymore because of the nastiness of the place. Funny how many people don't post here anymore. But then, hey, no loss, right Tip. People like that doctor who lost his ticket to practice but then wrote a book and continued to advise people about how to take Baclofen.... who was it , oh yeah, Olivier Ameisen. He was so insulted by people here that he left. Then there was that other doctor who was run off this site, Bill P.

There is a very peculiar trait of a lot of long time posters here that they think that by dint of posting thousands of quips and insults they somehow become qualified to comment about medical issues and the efficacy of drugs while those who actually studied medicine need to be bullied off the site.

Just saying chrome dome.

**Otter** · October 26, 2011, 02:57 PM

Phill Thomas - The Bac Man

tiptronic_ct;1198416 wrote: I have my moments, Otter :thanks:

I haven't noticed any to be frank.

**SlipperyPete** · October 26, 2011, 09:44 PM

Phill Thomas - The Bac Man

Wowzers. You bump a bunch of random old threads, proclaim your undying love for Phil Thomas, and get a PSA thread for the newbies locked. Looks like you got into the catnip today, Otter, or you're just getting into the trick-or-treat spirit a few days too early.

**terryk** · October 26, 2011, 09:48 PM

Phill Thomas - The Bac Man

Otter;1198419 wrote: Anyway, Phill doesn't post here anymore because of the nastiness of the place.

Phill doesn't post here because he was banned (repeatedly) for hawking his book in violation of MWO's terms of use. It looks like the https://www.mywayout.org/community/f2...mas-50512.html thread is closed now, probably thanks to you.

According to reports (like https://www.mywayout.org/community/f2...ml#post1149504) Phill is charging over ?800($1276) a month to *talk* to you about baclofen.

He can't prescribe baclofen or any medication, because he is not licensed to practice medicine in the UK. You can check his status by going to "View the List of Registered Medical Practitioners" at: GMC | List of Registered Medical Practitioners his GMC Reference Number is 2922892

I purchased Phill's book. You can read what I've said about it (in a few posts) starting here:

https://www.mywayout.org/community/f2...ml#post1023287

Let the buyer beware.

-tk

**Otter** · October 26, 2011, 10:52 PM

Phill Thomas - The Bac Man

SlipperyPete;1198615 wrote: Wowzers. You bump a bunch of random old threads, proclaim your undying love for Phil Thomas, and get a PSA thread for the newbies locked. Looks like you got into the catnip today, Otter, or you're just getting into the trick-or-treat spirit a few days too early.

You noticed!?

Terry, what do you know?. I have spoken to him at length. He doesn't speak to you about Baclofen any more than regular counsellors at regular rehab clinics talk to you about librium. Everyone here goes on about AA and talking therapy. Again, they buy into the idea that talking is ok if it is to people with similar problems but not to a person who has medical training AND has similar experiences.

Funny though that Ameisen got into a similar state of mind by posting on here and getting the same sort of abuse.

Have you actually spoken to him at all about what he is doing or spoken to anyone who has or are you just judging him because he offended you or some of your friends??

So sorry I got the Ex Doctor thread closed. :sorry: It was such a valuable thread, a bit like reading graffiti on a toilet wall. A good days work if you ask me.

Here is a post from the now closed Ex Doc Martin thread by Bill P.

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Originally Posted by Greg
G'day Bill, I just want to say I hope you are doing well these days.

As for Dr Phill, I don't know enough to comment on him, although he seems to be strongly disliked by some people here.

How you doing mate?

Can you host me in December for a day or two on the couch?
I want to hang out Baulkham hills in Decemeber, maybe head your way. If not, no worries

As far as Dr. Phil, I think it was a couple of years ago when I spoke with him and I aggressively encouraged him to help people

As far as his fees are concerned. They are cheap in comparison to inpatient treatment and inline with outpatient therapy as well. In short there is no difference if you got a drink-drive charge and his therapy for 3 months.
in fact it is most likely cheaper and offer better results for those who care to stop drinking.

Again I am partial to the self-medicating model with virtuouslabs.com
But I did highly encourage him to use his life to make a difference and, he was very receptive to that. I doubt he is acting in a moneygrubbing manner, he could easily move outside of his medical license and perform plastic surgery and make a hell of a lot more money
I dont want to sound like his bitch either. it's beena couple of years since we talked and had a meeting of the minds on how to solve the discrepancy of alcohol use and the information on baclofen.
We are both approaching it from separate fronts along with Dr. Ameisen and we'll all meet in the middle.
Actually, I will be there first with my research results coming shortly

**terryk** · October 26, 2011, 11:19 PM

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Otter;1198632 wrote: You noticed!?

Terry, what do you know?. [...]
Have you actually spoken to him at all about what he is doing or spoken to anyone who has or are you just judging him because he offended you or some of your friends??

So sorry I got the Ex Doctor thread closed. :sorry: It was such a valuable thread, a bit like reading graffiti on a toilet wall. A good days work if you ask me.

There was no judging on my part Otter, just facts.

thanks, -tk

**Otter** · October 26, 2011, 11:34 PM

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Just unbiased reporting from someone who has never bothered to even speak to the guy.

How many professionals have lost their careers due to alcoholism? Why don't you start a thread where you can "out" them all for losing their minds as well as their livelihoods, their self respect, their families? Call it PSA if you want, I call it mindless nastiness which has no place on a support forum.

You don't know best. What are your credentials for giving advice and talking to people here about Baclofen?

I checked with the GMC and you have to keep up your training and skills while you are suspended in order to get back on the register. You can do everything he is doing without being on the register. Alcoholism is not a medical specialty. It is considered to be the preserve of talking therapists, AA and rehab cliinics. Go to the UK Department of Health web site. There isn't even a mention of it. So, a person who is entitled to call themselves a Doctor (gasp, horror... only a saint can use that word...that word OMG that word) and engage in alcohol rehab because whatever they are doing has nothing to do with what registered doctors do, which is just to prescribe in the 15 minute slot the NHS give you with your GP here. Have you ever been to a doctor and tried to get some counselling? You certainly won't get any counselling for alcoholism.

What is it you expect him to do? Accept that the GMC were right? Yes, he couldn't manage his practice because of his addiction, that is what got him suspended. The specific incidents mentioned by the GMC were just examples of that, ie., not taking photos and not responding to letters, but none of them had to do with his ability as a doctor, when sober. He is now sober and could apply to be reinstated to the register. Then, because he was on this list, I suppose that would transform him instantly in your mind and you would shut up. Or would you find some other way to abuse him?

I just don't get you. Did you actually read what Bill P said? Or is it just a case of you being right and everybody else is wrong? And what is it that people here don't understand initiative. If someone can carve out a career by doing something other people are afraid to do because of some worn out wrong headed convention and they can help someone then in my books that is great, good for them. The GMC did not know about anxiety craving or about Baclofen. They wrote Phill off for good and for a while still they probably will because it will take more time to get the message across about Baclofen. How is that right or fair?

PS. Bumping old threads just goes to show how many medicines have come and gone. Why is it that Baclofen has taken hold of his fourm. We need to remember that. It is because it works and anyone who supports that is on solid ground because it is the theory behind it that is right. It may be the case that people relapse, constantly, while on Baclofen but that is because of other things, not because it does not work to stop alcoholic craving. There still needs to be a lot done to improve awareness of treatment with Baclofen. There are a lot of people who won't accept it works because they just don't understand what it does and the other services which are supposed to support people with alcohol problems act in ways which actually push people back into drinking. It is one thing to take Baclofen and stop the cravings but if you wake up in a world where you are still treated like a leper and held to account for everything you have done when you were ill, like posting some crazy stuff here, then what good is it to be sober? Life is as unbearable as it was when you were drunk except that you now have to live it. Fortunately this is starting to change and there is enough credible stuff out there to give to people that they are starting to wake up to Baclofen. The Glasgow study is a perfect example. These doctors were immensely brave professionally in coming out with the findings when they did. They were also intelligent in doing so and recognized their professional and moral responsibilities without having to wait until more people died waiting for a double blind trial.

How many double blind trials have been conducted which have resulted in medicines being released which have been dangerous? Thalidamide must have been double blind tested. It is not the answer to this issue. The Glasgow NHS recognized the seriousness of alcoholism in Glasgow and backed the study and the publication of its results. They circumvented the debate over double blind trials so now anyone can go to their GP and show them the results, anywhere in the UK and a doctor has to take note and seriously think about prescribing so it is incredibly important to get the word out and not get bogged down in bad mouthing anyone who is trying to get results with Baclofen treatment and develop it into a business where people can get help and others can earn a living helping them.

**terryk** · October 26, 2011, 11:59 PM

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Otter;1198643 wrote: Just unbiase reporting from someone who has never bothered to even speak to the guy.

I've had conversations with Phill (more like tried to have) on MWO:

https://www.mywayout.org/community/f2...now-44989.html

And I've spoken only briefly with him via email.

thanks, -tk

**Otter** · October 27, 2011, 12:03 AM

Phill Thomas - The Bac Man

Well, that answers everything. Try actually phoning him and listening to what he has to say.

You need to move on. Just leave the guy alone. You are not your brother's keeper and no one who has had the pleasure of his personal attention, advice and good nature and help agrees with you.

**Road to Recovery** · October 27, 2011, 07:07 AM

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Otter;1198389 wrote: I had the opportunity to chat to Phill the other day. He sent me an email from a very satisfied customer. It seems his services are being well received and I would thoroughly recommend him to any one who wants to engage in Baclofen treatment without having to expose yourself to some of the crazy abuse that this forum serves up. :goodjob:

I read his manual and found it very concise and useful. I just wish it had been around before I spent so much time on this forum. A lot of information in it comes from this forum so it will be familiar to many of the posters here. It also saves a lot of time hunting around for information on this forum and having to rely on others who are not medically trained to provide advice, some of which is not necessarily accurate.

Also, the manual is something you can take to your doctor, which you cannot do with this Forum. I have yet to speak to a doctor who gets his information from this site or any website for that matter. They tend to rely on books and manuals written by people with medical training, as opposed to posts written by enthusiastic amateurs.
I haven't heard much new in the world of Baclofen but I was away for a while on a mini break with the family. We toured the Lake District in our camper.

Well, that is all for now.

Best wishes to you all. :thumbs::wd:

Otter

LOL - at one point you say a you have yet to speak to a DR who gets their info from this site or any website and yet above that you wrote that a lot of Dr Phil's info in his manual comes from this site - LMFAO!:goodjob:

**Lo0p** · October 27, 2011, 09:43 AM

Phill Thomas - The Bac Man

I'm admittedly of mixed opinion. If he were to post a disclaimer on the front page of his website that says "I am not actually a doctor anymore. I lost my licence because of [blah blah blah] as a direct consequence of alcohol abuse" then I'd have much less of a problem with what he's doing. But as it stands, he is fraudulently misrepresenting himself. That's inexcusable.

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