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    It is funny how things lead back to the same place. I thing a lot of people here think I am totally into Baclofen as a cure all. I realize once you stop drinking there is a lot to do and you need something beyond that so I started looking at Buddhism because it has a strange similarity to Baclofen treatment because it recognizes that anxiety is the cause of unhappiness. The path of Buddhism meditation is also much like cognitive therapy. Then I realized a lot of what is central to Buddhism is also central to Christianity and I found this page on Wikipeidia: Buddhism and Christianity - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Here is the first paragraph:

    There is speculation concerning a possible connection between both the Buddha BC 623-BC 543 and the Christ, and between Buddhism and Christianity. Buddhism originated in India about 500 years before the Apostolic Age and the origins of Christianity. Scholars have explored connections between Buddhism and Christianity. Some have compared the earlier infancy account of Jesus in the Gospel of Luke to that of the Buddha in the later Lalitavistara Sutra (a Mahāyāna/Sarvāstivāda biography dating to the 3rd century CE.[1]). During the life of Jesus Christ[2] and the period in which texts like the Gospel of Thomas were composed, Buddhist missionaries lived in Alexandria, Egypt.[3] The Buddhist Jack McQuire believes that in the 4th century, Christian monasticism developed in Egypt, and it emerged with a corresponding structure comparable to the Buddhist monasticism of its time and place.[2]


    Then there is the path to Enlightenment/Atonement, the five principles of Buddhism/Cardinal Virtues, Meditation/Prayer.

    Then there is AA with its religious undertones. Ultimately, I think it comes down to finding peace of mind. The journey that begins with rejection of AA and talking therapies and goes down the medical route and the discovery of the Amygdala's importance in all this takes us back to an understanding of who we are. Baclofen chemically allows one to be released from the chemical impediments to finding out who we are without anxiety over our own situation. It allows one to see the world without worry and to find a way without being dragged back into self and anxiety. We become free from the existential angst of life and to find happiness just in being alive. And that is the role Buddhism, Christianity, AA play in our lives once we are free from this. To partake in life fully, find meaning and be happy because without the anxiety over self we are just part of one big "thing" whatever it is and it just keeps moving along, with us or without us, so why not be a part of it, whatever it brings and just be happy that you are here.

    Have a good day.
    BACLOFENISTA

    baclofenuk.com

    http://www.theendofmyaddiction.org





    Olivier Ameisen

    In addiction, suppression of symptoms should suppress the disease altogether since addiction is, as he observed, a "symptom-driven disease". Of all "anticraving medications used in animals, only one - baclofen - has the unique property of suppressing the motivation to consume cocaine, heroin, alcohol, nicotine and d-amphetamine"

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    Otter;1201511 wrote: ... so I started looking at Buddhism because it has a strange similarity to Baclofen treatment because it recognizes that anxiety is the cause of unhappiness.

    Have a good day.
    Fear. Not anxiety, but fear. It's in the five principles you posted a while back. Which in part led me to explore some new thoughts and ideas related to fear/anxiety/bac/addiction.

    Thanks for that.

    You, too.

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      Otter

      I tend to agree with you that there is a connection between the "selflessness" taught by Buddhism and anxiety and alcohol consumption. Somehow, its all connected and its the great challenge of life, especially for those of us who are anxiety prone...And who isn't these days?

      I spent a few minutes googling anxiety and alcoholism this morning and found this article from 2008:

      Featured Articles : Neuroscience Gateway, which is based on this article in Science:

      Neurokinin 1 Receptor Antagonism as a Possible Therapy for Alcoholism

      The article suggests that Substance P, found in the brain, and a neurotransmitter receptor, neurokinin 1 receptor (NK1R), active in stress may be involved in reducing craving.

      A more recent study (2010) links these findings to GABAb receptors:

      Substance P inhibits GABAB receptor signalling in the ventral tegmental area

      The science is all a bit beyond me, but it encourages me to believe that the link between anxiety and craving and brain chemistry will ultimately be broken down and fully understood, leading to even better outcomes than we see today.

      Cass
      With profound appreciation to Dr Olivier Ameisen for his brilliant insight and courageous determination

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        Hi Otter and Cass,

        I've read alot on spirituality - I am a recovered Catholic turned Athiest turned "born again" turned Confused Guiltist turned Holistic Outlookist. I now believe all the teachings of the great spiritual leaders (Buddah, Jesus etc) teach kindness, they try to lead us out of our minds and to a silence, and to an outward service sometimes, which all leads hopefully to a lack of self judgement which needs to be addressed because self-judgement creates anxiety and insecurity. And all of this, seems to me, helps us turn that attitude outwards to help others through their struggles. Which makes for a happier life and a less anxious one. I hope this makes sense.
        The goal being happy with "what is" rather than being unhappy with what we don't have, and fixating on it. For me, that has been alternatively financial insecurity, perfect body, better mental function, better boyfriend, higher paying better suited job, etc. More happiness is really what I want, but I feel like I have all these "qualifiers" to get to that. After all, can I really be happy if I live on the streets? Guess so, others have done it. But

        Then there's the meds, I'm starting to feel like I'm overly dependent on baclofen to quell my body-shaking anxiety, gabapentin to up my mood, my blood pressure drugs to keep me from having a stroke.

        Probably has alot to do with the gaba (except for the hypertensives) since the bac and gabap AND alcohol are all gaba-plug ins in one way or another. And meditation/peace too.

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