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    #1

    Kindling

    There are a number of posters I have noticed who are relapsing. You have to be aware of the long term effects of repeated withdrawal:

    http://pubs.niaaa.nih.gov/publicatio...22-1/25-34.pdf

    It is best if at all possible to stay off once you are off.

    Best wishes
    BACLOFENISTA

    baclofenuk.com

    http://www.theendofmyaddiction.org





    Olivier Ameisen

    In addiction, suppression of symptoms should suppress the disease altogether since addiction is, as he observed, a "symptom-driven disease". Of all "anticraving medications used in animals, only one - baclofen - has the unique property of suppressing the motivation to consume cocaine, heroin, alcohol, nicotine and d-amphetamine"
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    #2
    Kindling

    The Kindling Effect

    Bump up for discussion.

    Otter;1216480 wrote: There are a number of posters I have noticed who are relapsing. You have to be aware of the long term effects of repeated withdrawal:

    http://pubs.niaaa.nih.gov/publicatio...22-1/25-34.pdf

    It is best if at all possible to stay off once you are off.

    Best wishes
    All you gotta do, is get thru this day. AF 1/20/2011
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      #3
      Kindling

      This definitely happens and is best avoided.
      I used the Sinclair Method to beat my alcoholic drinking.

      Drank within safe limits for almost 2 years

      AF date 22/07/13

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        #4
        Kindling

        AMEN TO THAT!!! I'm done with alcohol...FOREVER!
        Otter;1216480 wrote: There are a number of posters I have noticed who are relapsing. You have to be aware of the long term effects of repeated withdrawal:

        http://pubs.niaaa.nih.gov/publicatio...22-1/25-34.pdf

        It is best if at all possible to stay off once you are off.

        Best wishes
        Sober since Sept. 24th 2012 This time 4 SURE!
        https://www.mywayout.org/community/f19/newbies-nest-3162-30074.html Newbies Nest
        https://www.mywayout.org/community/f11/tool-box-27556.html Tool Box
        https://www.mywayout.org/community/f19/what-plan-how-do-i-get-one-68554.html How to get a sobriety plan

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          #5
          Kindling

          this is absolutely true! i wish i'd heard of it before
          I have too much shit to do today and tomorrow to drink:sohappy:

          I'm taking care of the "tomorrow me":thumbsup:
          Drinkin won't help a damn thing! Will only make me sick for DAYS and that ugly, spacey dumb feeling-no thanks!

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            #6
            Kindling

            Yeah, fine, I get that. But are there any studies out there to see if this annoyingness reverses itself after a period of consistent abstinence? And if so, well how freaking long does it take? 'Cause this is really interfering with the one fantasy that's pretty much sustaining me right now, and that's of drinking again at some indeterminate time in the future.

            :l

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              #7
              Kindling

              StuckinLA;1474666 wrote: Yeah, fine, I get that. But are there any studies out there to see if this annoyingness reverses itself after a period of consistent abstinence? And if so, well how freaking long does it take? 'Cause this is really interfering with the one fantasy that's pretty much sustaining me right now, and that's of drinking again at some indeterminate time in the future.

              :l
              In my case at least...once a pickle, never a cucumber again! :l
              Sober since Sept. 24th 2012 This time 4 SURE!
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                #8
                Kindling

                StuckinLA;1474666 wrote: Yeah, fine, I get that. But are there any studies out there to see if this annoyingness reverses itself after a period of consistent abstinence? And if so, well how freaking long does it take? 'Cause this is really interfering with the one fantasy that's pretty much sustaining me right now, and that's of drinking again at some indeterminate time in the future.

                :l
                No that's the whole point, you get sober, stay sober but the neurons(nerve bits) in your brain related to addiction are still there. I was told when you drink(or take drugs) neuron pathways are created in your brain, constantly increasing in number. When you get sober they sort of freeze until start doing the addictive stuff again when they are reawakened and start multiplying again. During withdrawl the sedative alcohol which keeps these pathways dampened down is removed, they fire up and cause the withdrawl symptoms (shakes etc).

                Sorry for the over simplification, or if this is factually incorrect but this was more or less the explaination given to me by a psychotherapist in a treatment centre once, and it's the way I understand the effect.
                I used the Sinclair Method to beat my alcoholic drinking.

                Drank within safe limits for almost 2 years

                AF date 22/07/13

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                  #9
                  Kindling

                  I wonder if this manifests in people who don't experience withdrawal effects? I have stopped a few times, and never had withdrawal as I understand it to be, i.e. bugs crawling up the wall. I am both a binge drinker, and a relatively constant one, so the neural pathways must surely be there...

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                    #10
                    Kindling

                    bleep;1475917 wrote: I wonder if this manifests in people who don't experience withdrawal effects? I have stopped a few times, and never had withdrawal as I understand it to be, i.e. bugs crawling up the wall. I am both a binge drinker, and a relatively constant one, so the neural pathways must surely be there...
                    Hey Bleep

                    I have only once experienced serious withdrawl, but would feel edgy a day or two after a binge, sometimes would get slightly restless legs and the binge before the one where I did get withdrawls I felt sort of jelly legged until I had a drink.

                    I'd guess you just hadn't reached that point for you, if you are taking baclofen then that is supposed to prevent/stop withdrawls.
                    I used the Sinclair Method to beat my alcoholic drinking.

                    Drank within safe limits for almost 2 years

                    AF date 22/07/13

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                      #11
                      Kindling

                      ukblonde,thank you for explaining it in a way more people can understand,i hate reading medical stuff,im like what?
                      I have too much shit to do today and tomorrow to drink:sohappy:

                      I'm taking care of the "tomorrow me":thumbsup:
                      Drinkin won't help a damn thing! Will only make me sick for DAYS and that ugly, spacey dumb feeling-no thanks!

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                        #12
                        Kindling

                        Wow, who was the poor bugger they were testing??

                        From the article:

                        “to describe a phenomenon observed after repeated weak electrical stimulation of discrete brain regions using electrodes implanted into the brain.
                        … After repeated periodic application, however, the same subconvulsive stimuli induced the development of full motor seizures…
                        . Additional studies found that sensitization could occur regardless of whether the stimulus was electrical or chemical in nature (e.g., a convulsant drug administered directly into the brain or into other parts of the body
                        … ”

                        Tough day at the office!

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                          #13
                          Kindling

                          Interesting that this thread hit the top just now. I was a few seconds ago reading about kindling elsewhere, and trying to answer what seems to me like a very simple question: will a period of abstinence ever reverse the withdrawal process, and if so how long will it take.

                          To put it simply, I want to drink again at some point. And I don't want to go through anxiety hell the next day. [EDIT: I believe this is what they call denial, but whatever. I'm not the first, nor the worst, alkie out there so WTF, God/Allah/biology? This is crap, and I'm calling shennanigans!]

                          Well, couldn't find an answer, but reading through, among other places, the SoberRecovery website made me get down on both knees and thank God for MWO. They are f*cking judgmental ***holes on that site. Guys ask the same simple question above, and instead of discussion and links to relevant articles or whatever, all you get is a dozen snide comments like "don't you think it would be better just not to drink, my life is nothing but rainbows and blowjobs since I quit drinking."

                          So, no new information to add to the Kindling thread, but a very big thank you to all of you here--just for being here.

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