Bluto/Bill.P. and Virtuous Labs

[beerthirty]

Bluto/Bill.P. and Virtuous Labs

has anyone received any bac from virtuous labs since the first of the new year. I had ordered some before all this stuff about bill came up and I am a little concerned about the purity of the product.Would be a great source if its pure.

[GingerDust]

Bluto/Bill.P. and Virtuous Labs

SlipperyPete;1238241 wrote: Ginger, what you said would be true if baclofen were a controlled substance, but it is not.

Plus, could you imagine the irony of the DEA doing a bust on a baclofen-making ring?

"Yup, this SICKO here was caught making this chemical that makes people NOT want to do drugs. Woulda put us all right out of a job. Lock him up, boys!"

I think you are being a bit naive, and if baclofen makes people not want to do drugs, Bluto/BillP sure is not proof of that!

Have you looked at his website? It?s a crazy mix of offerings that include hormone stimulants, estrogen suppressants, synthetic growth hormones, thyroid replacement drugs, and so on. I suspect that he has been as busy advertising on other forums, wherever his target audience is for whichever drug, as he has been here. But if he's taking all that kind of crap on top of Xanax, and drinking and whatever else :eeks:

[Bruunhilde]

Bluto/Bill.P. and Virtuous Labs

Bill's site is one of many underground bodybuilding sites for drugs. Baclofen and thyroid drugs, estrogen blockers are among the normal array. The business proposition is "for lab use only" meaning animal testing but everyone knows its underground bbuilding supps.

Slamming him for his illness is obviously not helpful, buying from these sites is also not buying "aboveboard" but is ordering illegally overseas?

I don't know anything about his illness and whether or not it intrudes upon his drug making, or what his qualifications (what kind of dr?) really are to make anything exacting.

I figure we all know and don't need to belabor "buyer beware" ... wherever you get your drugs, if you take them, even from Walgreens. Fillers vary, peoples' reactions to drugs vary, etc etc. I find it offensive to be called a sheep because I did not flame the guy.

[tiptronic_ct]

Bluto/Bill.P. and Virtuous Labs

Baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa :H:H:H

Sorry... couldn't resist

[GingerDust]

Bluto/Bill.P. and Virtuous Labs

tiptronic_ct;1238400 wrote: Oh FFS.

How much pleasure can there be in flogging a dead horse?

The horse is not dead and it is no pleasure of mine.

[tiptronic_ct]

Bluto/Bill.P. and Virtuous Labs

GingerDust;1238696 wrote: The horse is not dead and it is no pleasure of mine.

[GingerDust]

Bluto/Bill.P. and Virtuous Labs

Bruunhilde;1238690 wrote: I find it offensive to be called a sheep because I did not flame the guy.
I did not intend to offend you, but I did not call anyone a sheep. Perhaps you would have preferred the term "hive mind," since it means the same thing. You did not flame him. You said that he was a nice guy,

I agree his heart is in the right place

I think that it's pretty obvious that he is a crook, a profiteer, a liar and a lunatic, who acts without regard for those who could get hurt. I cannot see how being a crook, a profiteer, a liar and a lunatic, who acts without regard for those who could get hurt, could possibly mesh with a guy who has "his heart in the right place." Maybe you can, so it would be easiest to agree to disagree.

Again, I did not mean to offend you or anyone else.

[GingerDust]

Bluto/Bill.P. and Virtuous Labs

Zenstyle;1238699 wrote: If you have a beef with the VL site then you must surely have a beef with all the others too.
So, you are you saying that he is no worse than others who sell illicit drugs? If so, I agree. The others are not here.

And WHO KNOWS who's running them.
Who knows who Bluto/BillP/(insert alternate screen name here) is? Maybe some of his supporters were in on it all along.

My weird looking packages of Bac from India are more troublesome to me, quite frankly. But I was willing to ingest that.

There is at least some oversight in overseas labs, not that I would be any less concerned if an offshore pharm did exactly the same thing and made exactly the same posts, using exactly the same deceptions. Would it make a difference to you? How would you feel about that, knowing full well that the chemist was bonkers beyond belief and probably unfit to make pudding.

And is ordering your bac that way so much different to taking liquid baclofen from these other sites?

What "these other" sites?

Edit: And when you say "if baclofen makes people not want to do drugs, Bluto/BillP sure is not proof of that!"... then what is your take on some of OA's posts? Just sayin'

What are you talking about?

[GingerDust]

Bluto/Bill.P. and Virtuous Labs

I am really sorry that your friend is such a turd. I am sorry to be the one to say so. I get that access to baclofen is terribly important. Please believe that I completely understand that kind of desperation. I also understand that people got freebies and now feel indebted to the grantor. I understand that the turd in question spent years building loyalties here and elsewhere, and also spent years trying to develop a "legal" lab. Please believe that I think that this whole situation sucks.

But I would really appreciate it if you would act like a grown up. It is not about you and it is not a personal vendetta against him. This is not a game to me. You won't bully me into silence.

When I say "horse," I'm not talking about the man's feelings or his reputation. Do you understand that?

tiptronic_ct;1238700 wrote:

[Road to Recovery]

Bluto/Bill.P. and Virtuous Labs

Is anything being accomplished here?
Didn't think so...

[GingerDust]

Bluto/Bill.P. and Virtuous Labs

Road to Recovery;1238849 wrote: Is anything being accomplished here?
Didn't think so...

Well, your post certainly accomplished nothing. Thanks for sharing. :goodjob:

[FlyAway]

Bluto/Bill.P. and Virtuous Labs

Road to Recovery;1238849 wrote: Is anything being accomplished here?
Didn't think so...

Well I think something is being accomplished here and as someone who is checking out this forum in MWO for the first time, I appreciate this. I want to know what pharmacies I can trust. I want to know who offers the best prices. And I want to know if there are people here who are being less than honest. Having multiple user IDs to promote one's business is dishonest, especially when it has to do with a condition that may cost some members their livelihood if made public. I'll take this as a public service announcement and hope that this information isn't pushed to the back pages because some people got a good deal. Those who trust Virtuous Pharmacy can certainly keep on ordering from there. Those who are new should be given all of the information at hand to make their own decision.

[Ita]

Bluto/Bill.P. and Virtuous Labs

I've got a viagra instead of baclofen from Virtuous Labs :/

[GingerDust]

Bluto/Bill.P. and Virtuous Labs

FlyAway, if you are interested in baclofen for alcoholism specifically, call Dr. Fred Levin. He is a real doctor who gives freely of himself to help alcoholics. Google him. He is legit and his reputation is immaculate. He does not charge more than a person can afford to pay. So if you can only pay $5, then he charges $5, and you pay him whenever you can. He is NOT in it for the money. He prefers to be called at home, 312-642-5803, between 7 and 9pm Central Standard Time. You can call his office phone too at 312-236-6675 but often he is away teaching. As near as I can tell, and I have done extensive research and talked to him several times, the man is a paragon of virtue. He will set up a dosing schedule and tell you everything that you need to know about how to take it. Then you will have a legally prescribed, safe supply of baclofen. I wish he could do it worldwide so the profiteers that populate this forum did not exist, but he can do it for people in the US. Baclofen changed my life. It's important stuff, but seeing Bluto/BillP stuff makes me vomit in my mouth a little. I wish Dr. L could be everywhere.

Anyway, thanks for not flaming me.

[GingerDust]

Bluto/Bill.P. and Virtuous Labs

Ita;1238912 wrote: I've got a viagra instead of baclofen from Virtuous Labs :/

I'm sorry. It makes me feel angry at the turd though.

Have you tried contacting VL? If not, PM me and I can give you ALL the contact details. You might want to move pretty quick if that's what you want to do. But do you really want to? Are you somewhere you might have access to a more reliable, safer supply of baclofen?