Is alcoholism caused by Vitamin D deficiency?

[Otter]

Is alcoholism caused by Vitamin D deficiency?

Vitamin D Deficiency and Anxiety | Vitamin D Deficiency Symptoms According to these people vitamin D deficiency causes anxiety. Hmmm......

[missyabby1]

Is alcoholism caused by Vitamin D deficiency?

Message missing again!

I just read on this thread that otter had decided to stop taking baclofen because he "couldn't get on with things" . He stated that he had suffered some convulsions last night and then again this morning but that he was "ok".

Greg replied saying that it was perhaps not a good idea to stop taking any medications of this sort, abruptly. Both of their posts have now disappeared. I know , that in the past, I have questioned the fact that posts "disappear" (and I still believe that) but I am now sober, and have been for awhile, and worry about the ability for people to remove posts that may be somewhat controversial. If these posts miraculously "appear" again then I will report it to the administrators. If they appear on a different thread, I will do the same. There are some things about this site I find worrying.

Missy

[Ne/Neva Eva]

Is alcoholism caused by Vitamin D deficiency?

Missy! I'm so glad to hear that you're doing well!!!

You might remember that I get email updates on some of the threads around here. The posts you are referring to entered my email and were always listed as coming from this thread:

https://www.mywayout.org/community/f2...ety-50827.html

Here they are, and my response this morning.

Otter;1253240 wrote: I have decided to come off Baclofen. It was stopping me from getting on with things. I cut down yesterday then had nothing at night. Went through some heavy convulsions. Had a dose of Amino acids and some Calcium/magnesium. Had a bit of an attack of convulsions this morning. Feel great at the moment. I wonder what lies ahead.

I have also decided not to post about Vitamin D. This was a place a year and more ago where people were posting some crazy stuff but it has moved on. The point about Vitamin D is that I had what I thought was some sort of AHA moment where I had an insight into the cause of alcoholism. I have also been having similar moments about other things and sending off emails to people which I think will solve all sorts of problems. Then I realized that I was becoming grandiose and had to stop the Baclofen so I have gone through what I can only describe as a "cold turkey" experiment. It was pretty horrendous but it did not kill me. I just need to get my wits about me again and not do stupid things that are just getting me into trouble. Sorry if it upset anyone. I was not suggesting that Vitamin D is the treatment for alcholism. Baclofen is the treatment. What I was pondering was what the cause of anxiety is. You can go back a step further and say that drinking alcohol causes vitamin D deficiency so that anxiety is not the cause of alcoholism, alcohol is!! For those who have stroke or head injury or PTSD for instance they may say that they are not alcoholics at all because they are drinking to medicate the mental pain.

Greg;1253285 wrote: ??? Otter, it's your business what you do, but I'd just advise anyone else reading this thread NOT to suddenly cut out baclofen after regular use...precisely due to risks such as this (i.e. serious withdrawal symptoms). Anyone who has had "some heavy convulsions" due to suddenly stopping any drug is doing things dangerously by the sound of it.

Ne/Neva Eva;1253312 wrote: Hi, Panda! Welcome aboard. I'm glad you have some help/guidance with your plan.

From what I've heard, coming off of long term benzo use can be quite difficult. So far we've had someone released from the bondage of marijuana addiction and heroin addiction. I can't see why it wouldn't work for benzos. I'm glad you're going to chronicle it here as it might be helpful for others who come behind. Please keep posting!

Otter, be well. I know you know this, but for others: ABRUPTLY STOPPING baclofen is a REALLY TROUBLING IDEA. Not to be recommended.

It is, for sure, easy to get them mixed around, especially when the "conversation" is happening on a couple of different threads. Otter also posted his thoughts about vitamin D on the anxiety thread, and so I guess he picked it up on that thread instead of here.

I just point all this out to help put your mind at ease that as far as I know, there is not anything untoward happening around here. Ya' know?

I can't wait to catch up. Maybe meet me on my thread in the morning? I'll post there tomorrow, I think. and :l

[Ne/Neva Eva]

Is alcoholism caused by Vitamin D deficiency?

Oh, and they entered my email inbox around 5am EST. Which is when they were originally posted, I guess.
I don't think they were moved, but you could always double check with the powers that be!

[Otter]

Is alcoholism caused by Vitamin D deficiency?

No, there is nothing going on. And going off suddenly did not work. I am back on it but will try to taper off.

[Otter]

Is alcoholism caused by Vitamin D deficiency?

I was sent this by someone who will remain nameless but thanks.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KLjgBLwH3Wc[/video]]TEDxIowaCity - Dr. Terry Wahls - Minding Your Mitochondria - YouTube

The reason I started this thread was not actually to work up a theory of what the cause of alcoholism is but, rather to try to figure out if there is further treatment which might make Baclofen unnecessary. I know no one is buying into this Vit D thing but the demyelination of nerves is definitely caused by alcoholism.

So, if the diet in the video works for MS, maybe it works for Alcoholism. Before I came here I read Seven Weeks to Sobriety. That is based on nutrition but it is so hard to follow because it relies on so many pills and then diet. When Baclofen came along I did not believe it because it could not correct all the problems caused by drinking. Baclofen works to stop cravings but maybe this diet could restore the vitality lost to alcoholism.

It is just a thought.

A very wise and compassionate man recently introduced me to Logotherapy and Viktor Frankl. I just finished reading Man's Search for Meaning. His theory, in a very small nutshell, is that everyone needs to find meaning in life. However bad things are, one has to look at why one does things and what gives one a purpose. For most that is one simple thing...love.

[ShieldSteve]

Is alcoholism caused by Vitamin D deficiency?

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[Living12]

Is alcoholism caused by Vitamin D deficiency?

Don't think so ,however vitamin D is required when you don't have enough sunlight. Alcoholism is like being the undead like a vampire. Sunlight burns your flesh and your hunger is not blood but alcohol. So you stay in your room with the blinds shut and wait for the night to feed your hunger. Going to the pub to hang out with you're vampire mates . You don't turn other people into vampirers by biting their neck but you just shout them a drink and eventually over times they become vampires too. If they are lonely and lost like you. So I don't think vitamin D leads to alcoholism. Lonely and lost does . A stake through a alcovipers heart does help. But they have to start their lives over. Not so bad . A new beginning is always a good thing . Stuff vitamin D .

[krill]

Is alcoholism caused by Vitamin D deficiency?

No, it's not. I've taken 7000 IU's per day for five years.

[LibraryGirl]

Is alcoholism caused by Vitamin D deficiency?

Idk, I live and always have lived in a southern state that gets plenty of sunshine. I still had problems with AL. In fact, being in the sun and on the water was a "chance" to drink to excess! While I've not followed this topic and read all comments, I'm just replying to the intitial hypothesis.

[drinkingal]

Is alcoholism caused by Vitamin D deficiency?

I've had vitamin d deficiency and I'd had symptoms for months before it became obvious that something was wrong. In hindsight I dismissed the symptoms too long. But it didn't make me drink more or less, and getting my vitamin D back to normal didn't make me drink more or less either. I think the theory is flawed because many people drink too much even in sunny climates (and often in hot climates there is a strong drinking culture to perhaps deal with the heat), but many people these days also get vitamin d deficiency and don't necessarily drink either. I agree with a previous post that if there is a connection it's that heavy alcohol use may affect absorption, but many heavy drinkers probably aren't getting enough sun and are sitting inside getting drunk too. As I discovered, it's hard to have low vitamin d levels and not notice symptoms so you can't just run out of vitamin d and not notice.

[Otter]

Is alcoholism caused by Vitamin D deficiency?

LibraryGirl;1381688 wrote: Idk, I live and always have lived in a southern state that gets plenty of sunshine. I still had problems with AL. In fact, being in the sun and on the water was a "chance" to drink to excess! While I've not followed this topic and read all comments, I'm just replying to the intitial hypothesis.

I don't know where I have ever said that people don't drink for enjoyment.

But, however sunny it is where you live, drinking alcohol has the effect of depleting vitamin D which then, as I understand it, causes damage to the coating of nerves in the brain, which then causes the "shakes". Ameisen developed his theory of baclofen after realizing that he had restless leg syndrome and worked backwards, realizing he had a problem in his amygdala which (I hypothesize) might be caused by nerve/white matter damage in the brain.

I live at the same lattitude as Juneau Alaska under a blanket of cloud. People here have to dress warmly and stay inside out of the rain. They drink heavily, beyond anything I have ever experienced in my life. There is also a high level of MS which is caused by demyelinzation of nerves.

I don't know the answer and I am not a doctor

[Ne/Neva Eva]

Is alcoholism caused by Vitamin D deficiency?

Hi Otter.
I'm afraid I've got to point out a couple of things you may have missed.

Otter;1385543 wrote:
... drinking alcohol has the effect of depleting vitamin D which then,
The relationship between vitamin D and alcoholism has much more to do with diet, and fat absorption than anything else. Vitamin D is directly related to the amount of sunshine one receives, and that's about it. Malnutrition or malabsorption is a totally different thing. Right?

Otter;1385543 wrote: ... Ameisen developed his theory of baclofen after realizing that he had restless leg syndrome
You might want to check the book again, Otter. He developed his theory based on several things but only recognized that he stopped moving around so much after being on baclofen for a while. And it is, after all, a treatment for muscle spasms, and has direct action on the CNS. These are things he didn't have to theorize about. That's what baclofen is primarily used for.

Otter;1385543 wrote: and worked backwards, realizing he had a problem in his amygdala which (I hypothesize) might be caused by nerve/white matter damage in the brain.

I don't really remember that...And the nerve/white matter? Myelination in general...That's news! Though it certainly is relevant in cases of MS or even alcoholic (and general) neuropathy. Fascinating, isn't it?

Otter;1385543 wrote: I live at the same lattitude as Juneau Alaska under a blanket of cloud. People here have to dress warmly and stay inside out of the rain. They drink heavily, beyond anything I have ever experienced in my life. There is also a high level of MS which is caused by demyelinzation of nerves.

I don't know the answer and I am not a doctor

Is it Norway or Finland that someone (a journalist) determined was the happiest place in the world but also has an unreal amount of alcoholism and high rates of suicide? Quite the conundrum. Hope you guys got away to someplace sunny this summer!

[Ne/Neva Eva]

Is alcoholism caused by Vitamin D deficiency?

The book is actually called The Geography of Bliss: One Grump's Search for the Happiest Places in the World. It's a good read. Well, I enjoyed it.

The Geography of Bliss: One Grump's Search for the Happiest Places in the World: Eric Weiner: 9780446580267: Amazon.com: Books

[Otter]

Is alcoholism caused by Vitamin D deficiency?

Alcohol causes myelin and white matter disruption which causes "anxiety", the shakes, cravings. Alcohol stips out vitamin D as it does with other vitamins and that causes a vicious circle of drinking, further damage and so on.

Ameisen got his prescription for baclofen to treat RLS and he had severe anxiety which emerged when playing the piano publicly and he drank to cope with it.

You are confusing anxiety with unhappiness. Norwegians may be happy but they may also medicate a biological anxiety/craving with alcohol...and that might make them feel happy.

Craving is severe anxiety. Someone who is desperate for a drink IS anxious. It is an organic anxiety as opposed to the "anxiety" one feels before a job interview and which goes away when it is over... or after one has a drink after the interview...