LSD for alcoholism?

[Bruunhilde]

LSD for alcoholism?

rangiatea;1252788 wrote: Igobaine is a nasty drug,will never take it.LSD somewhat safer but unpredictble and last too long. I am no longer using psychedelics.Baclofen itself can be quite psychedelic in sudden high dose and got messed up once.Will not attempt again.Not risking bad trips on any psychedelic.

How do you know which one is safer. ... would actually appreciate a knowledgeable answer and reasons. I don't know. What to think.

[BrainWizkid]

LSD for alcoholism?

I love drinking on the downturn of the LSD clear off. Feels great and I do feel as if I'm on shrooms. I also like to mix Piracetam while I am on LSD for visual enhancements. Great post dude. Btw don't try LSD and Alcohol when you are on the sharp upwards peak. It feels like the LSD effects are not as strong.

[music man]

LSD for alcoholism?

Great thread everyone. I have been researching ibogaine and am very interested in it...

I experimented with LSD and Psilocybin many years ago. The experiences were very profound and life changing in a positive way. I started trying the drugs out of curiosity ... having read about how hallucinogens have been used for centuries by native cultures for shamanistic rituals, often linked with coming of age rituals... Being a musician, I was also interested in the effects these substances had on ones creative sensibilities... I have to admit that I was also interested in getting really high

I did several trips over the course of a summer and found the experiences to be very enlightening. I became inspired to give up smoking pot, which I had become dependent on, started working out meditating, and became really serious with my music studies.

I used the drugs several more times over the next 5 years or so, also with overall positive experiences, but never once had an urge to habitually use them...

I can't even imagine taking hallucinogens habitually... It's way to intense of an experience. They can offer some powerful insights into who you are and what life is about, but you need time to process what you have experienced. And I never had an urge to try them again until weeks, months, or years after my last trip.

[music man]

LSD for alcoholism?

Here's a link to an interesting ibogaine thread

r/Drugs AMA series: Ibogaine : Drugs

[GingerDust]

LSD for alcoholism?

What a neat find. Thanks Music man. She, the one who treats people with Ibogaine, reiterated that it is a physically demanding process and heart patients should not attempt it. I read the whole thread and am consolidating some of her comments here. There are also many comments from people who have taken Ibogaine, so read the whole thing if you are interested.

It is said that recovery from addiction with ibogaine is 49% ibo and 51% what the individual does with the new, clean state. If you get clean but then hang out in a shooting gallery, chances are you'll end up high and maybe stuck again. Best is to have new routines in place before the session, alternate ways of coping with the normal stressors and experiences all humans face, but for addicts of any kind, are reasons to be high. So, will power isn't really it as much as practical plans for dealing with life, as well as a belief in something, whether that is a diety, or belief that life can change, or whatever.

'my' numbers (really the hard working individual and iboga's numbers) are about a 75% 'success' rate. Defined as staying off of DOC for a prolonged period (if that was the goal) or radical harm reduction in less use, less chaotic life, less damage overall. I wrote below about what's called 'aftercare'. All ibo can guarantee is an interruption of the addiction. That's it, the only guarantee. The more plans one makes for how to handle stressors, and how to see why using occurred the way it did in the first place, the better the chances of succeeding at whatever goal one has.

It's not often mentioned, but some folk require 2-3 sessions. It seems that ibo targets the most pressing issues first. So, with a junkie, that would be the addiction. Maybe next time, deeper delving into emotional wounds which could have caused using in the first place. A great guy I know in Israel has been working with giving people 3 sessions in a year, spaced out 3 months from each other. I can see how this would benefit. I myself have has one flood only, and it worked. Also BOOSTERS. No-one should be sent from a session without some boosters. These are smaller doses of the medicine, safe to take at home. Most benefit from one at 30 days, though there are many other ways to take.

Want to also mention that ibo is very useful for things like depression and ptsd, and if using certain low dose protocols, helps with Parkinson's, Alzheimers, Schizophrenia and more. Not just for addicts.

On using Ibogaine for schizophrenia: I have worked with one schizotypal gent and one schizophrenic gent, and a formerly psychotic lady. For both the 'schiz' sufferers, there was an almost immediate relief from voices, followed in months by a deeper understanding that the voices were externalized self dialogue. There was an increased ability in self care, one gent has a steady job now and doing well, the other now able to maintain a home and activities of daily living with the support of a local mental health outreach facility. Self acceptance/self esteem has risen with both gents, and both self medicate solely with marijuana now, as opposed to a myriad of other things. The lady formerly psychotic (episodes over ten years old before we began) found tremendous physical resolution of many symptoms, and is by her report far more grounded. Opposed to the previous feeling of feeling psychoses would overtake at any minute. She is still on SSI, but taking on writing projects and involved in community activities, can leave the house without fear.

I have worked the 'underground' for a couple years, also working out of a legal country as well. I am not a currently licensed medical professional. I have medical background, and also 'shamanic' background. I have gone to homes, worked out of hotels, worked in dedicated facilities in another country. People find me mostly by word of mouth, and one person has my name on his UK website. I am not big on marketing.

About 90% of people who I have talked to who have done ibo initially say 'I NEVER want to do that again.' The flood dose is a workout physically, emotionally, psychologically and energetically. It's the days after that really make it worthwhile. Weeks and months after, even.

On where to get treatment in the US: There is an active and very small underground. I cannot, by reddit rules, point you in any one direction. I can say keep googling, and look at people's websites re iboga (also spelled eboga, eboka) . . . The tree likes a very warm climate, and the roots take 5-10 years to develop the alkaloids. It is said, and I really don't mean to be cryptic, that if you look for it, it will find you.


I'm guessing that means that people in the US should be looking in the southern-most states.

[anne1232]

LSD for alcoholism?

check out my threads on ibogaine

I did it, it did not cost that much and is a life changing event. It is not a 'high' of any kind. More like a trance state, in which you face your innermost person. It 'unsticks' you from your negative behaviors and thoughts. I can direct anyone seriously interested to a safe, legal facility in Baja with wonderful facilitators. I do not profit in any way. Ayahuasca, too. What I think is interesting is that these medicines are people's 'last stop,' when they should be the first. PM me for info. Also youtube Dr. Charles Grob. There will be MUCH press about these medicines as 'modern' folks (slowly) start to get it.

[woywoyboy]

LSD for alcoholism?

But if big Pharma can't get a patent on it...

[anne1232]

LSD for alcoholism?

That's why these plants (not 'drugs') are illegal in the States.

[GingerDust]

LSD for alcoholism?

Anna, I did read your past posts. People on MWO really tried to shut you down hard! That ticks me off. Thanks so much for hanging in there.

In one of your posts, you said something about being taken back to the crib, remembering the smell of your mother's apron, remembering how it felt to sit on your father's lap, etc. From what I read, you believe that addiction can have it's roots in very early childhood. The reason I ask is because I stumbled onto the work of doctor who fully believes that. I posted about it here:

https://www.mywayout.org/community/f9...ml#post1254379

I do not believe that doctor has the whole picture of addiction but I think he may have stumbled onto part of the truth. I also think he's a pretty incredible human being that could have been the Dalai Lama.

I think hard science is the most valuable resource that human beings have. I also think that maybe Ibogaine can reach beyond my mind's intellectual ability and experience in processing and evaluating information in such a hard and fast way. I think that it might be able to take me back to what I was before I knew how to think.

Does that make any sense? Am I overshooting on what I suspect that Ibogaine might be able to do for me?

[Bruunhilde]

LSD for alcoholism?

Hi Anne, nice to see you back!

[anne1232]

LSD for alcoholism?

LOVE Gabor Mate!

The jungle Prescription - Film Trailer on Vimeo

This is his most recent project. Ayahuasca. Vey interesting. Stop doing what doesn't work, start looking at what might.*** Most intelligent voice about addiction out there***
Yes, you have brought up one of my favorite ways of looking at addiction. It's trauma. Usually childhood, of course. Mate has other books about this as well.
Ibogaine, ayahusaca- it finds the trauma in you, be it sexual abuse, whatever. Addiction (food, sex, alcohol, whatever) is a symptom. Trauma is the reason for it.
Ibogaine took me back all the way to in-utereo. My mother was in a suicidal depression at the time. (relectantly confirmed by family). And then- on and on. Was it fun? No. Just the best thing I ever did for myself.

For people to refer to this experience as a 'drug,' or addicting, or some kind of fun romp is absurd and they should not comment on things they can't understand. Then, there are people who sort of respond to it, for whatever reason. Those are the people who might want to look in to it further.

BTW, I have some cardiac issues that should have kept me from it, but I was 'called' to it very strongly, and my facilitators understood that. The first messages I got on the 'journey' were that I was safe, and that it loved me.

It's hard to explain, but it the plant wants to be 'heard of,' it asks that you spread the word...and that's why I continue to help guide any interested. And again- if you can't get this, better to not comment.

[anne1232]

LSD for alcoholism?

Hi Bruun!

And, Ginger, there IS hard science to Ibogaine; which brain receptors it hits, etc

[GingerDust]

LSD for alcoholism?

I had no idea that Gabor Mate was interested in using psychoactive teas, substances, whatever. I found a link to his book and read about that, and then I found the video and then . . .

It was his ideas, his compassion, his PASSION, that drew me to his stuff. Wow. What a co-ink-a-dink.

Thanks so much, Anne.

[GingerDust]

LSD for alcoholism?

Just for clarification, Anne, I have the impression that the process itself pretty much sucks - in a Dante's hell kind of way - a lot. And there's vomiting involved and a couple days of feeling like you've been worked over by an angry Incredible Hulk. Only after that, everything makes sense and you feel better. Is that right?

[anne1232]

LSD for alcoholism?

The amount of 'purging' depends on how clean your body is. Most ibo patients are heroin addicts- their bodies are sick, they haven't been eating well. That's why you see the vomiting in the literature. Opiates have to be purged. But I didn't vomit or have gastrointestinal stuff at all, 'cuz I ate really well beforehand, fasted two days in advance, did herbal cleanses. No alcohol for at least 4 days (if you can) and try to get off any benzos, for sure. No idea about baclofan. Probably not a good mix. Any 'crap' it finds in you, it will purge. I'd advise getting as clean as you can, then it can get to work faster. As for afterward, I was just tired for a couple days, then went on a whale watch boat!
Also, ayahuasca is used for parasite cleanses...it seems to hate them and rid the body of them.
For you guys who are taking massive amounts of Baclofen I'd strongly suggest a kidney cleanse...uva ursi, dandelion, etc. in advance