LSD for alcoholism?

[anne1232]

LSD for alcoholism?

Ha. I did a flood of HCI. The root is too mild, and used as a 'booster' post flood ocassionally for people richer than me. But due to my cardiac issues the providers wouldn't give me the full load. But what I got was plenty. And they often do less for those with issues other than heroin addiction. I have a friend that just got bad cancer diagnosis (it works on fear and trauma) and he wants to go down pretty soon, so I will go and most likely do it again. (Small amount). I am planning an ayahuasca event also. Having experienced ibo, I honestly can't think of one better way to spend money. There isn't.

[Bruunhilde]

LSD for alcoholism?

I tend to agree a visit to a tropical country for this purpose is better for you than frying yourself in the sun in said country, and hopefully hella lot more therapeutic! Post about it, won't you, when you come back?

[anne1232]

LSD for alcoholism?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NSCNPbaL5WU&feature=related[/video]]Ibogaine: The ENDABUSE Report-Pt1 - YouTube

The scientific aspect, with those behind trying for medical legalization.
Big Pharma also hates it cause you take it once, not everyday. Not enough $$$ in it

[anne1232]

LSD for alcoholism?

more geeky science stuff

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q4XL_Hk_L5g[/video]]Dr. Charles Grob- Ayahuasca & Hallucinogens- Clinical studies- Past Present and Future - YouTube

[woywoyboy]

LSD for alcoholism?

Would it be safe to do Ibo outside of a clinic in a foreign land? Like could you do the treatment at home with someone to watch over you?
Not suggesting that's wise. Just curious.

[GingerDust]

LSD for alcoholism?

The facilitator I spoke to still wants to do it in Mexico and wants more than I can spend. If I do it all, it will be at home. woywoy, the facilitator is still acting as a resource for me. She recommends The Ibogaine Dossier as a source of information for people who want to take the treatment at home.

[Bruunhilde]

LSD for alcoholism?

You've had no experience but you have a friend/partner who can help you, right Ginger? That's more than I have but with neither of you having experience, if that's the case, you're braver and more of a risk taker than I am. Sorry the facilitator fell through, I can't afford to blow my savings on trips to the land of drug wars either. I'm sure ibo therapists are leary of strangers since the DEA is no doubt on their tails and its legal in Mexico.

[anne1232]

LSD for alcoholism?

The only unsafe thing for healthy individuals re: ibo is- the US government.
Do not attempt to get this or take this, in the US. However, ocassionally there are studies in the US. Dr. Charles Grob will respond to short emails. He's easy to find. There's a study being arranged with aya for PTSD patients in New Mexico now, I understand.

[GingerDust]

LSD for alcoholism?

I have a partner who is willing to help. Being the sitter must be very boring though - just watch somebody (who is either sleeping, vomiting or cranky) closely for 24 hours and stay with them for at least 48. I've read a lot on it. It doesn't look like a dangerous thing if a healthy person is doing it, but that's a big IF. I haven't decided, and the facilitator said I'd want to be off the antabuse for it anyway, so I'm definitely leaning toward not doing it in the near future. We'll see.

I hear you about not wanting to go to Mexico too. I won't do it at all if I have to cross that border.

[Bruunhilde]

LSD for alcoholism?

Healthy person would be me, for the most part, since I have clear liver panels and EKG and stress test HOWEVER, I would not do a flood dose without someone experienced in case of a bad side effect that needed attention. I have a history of blood pressure/cholesterol issues from childhood, and some testing which indicates heart disease by my interpretation. I'll be interested to hear how it goes though. I am still hopeful I'll find a way to do it someday. Ibo or ayahauscu or however you spell it.

[Bruunhilde]

LSD for alcoholism?

LSD in the news again - National Public Radio

LSD Gets Another Look As Alcoholism Treatment : Shots - Health Blog : NPR


LSD Gets Another Look As Alcoholism Treatment


by Scott Hensley


04:48 pm

March 9, 2012

iStockphoto.com LSD might provide a life-changing experience for people struggling with alcohol, a provocative analysis suggests.


You might be tempted to chuckle about some Norwegian researchers peering back at experiments done during the '60s and '70s with LSD as a treatment for alcoholism.
But don't.
Their rigorous analysis, combining data from six different studies, concludes that one dose of the hallucinogenic drug might just help.
The past studies randomly assigned patients to get a strong dose of LSD or something else (another drug, such as amphetamine, a low dose of LSD or nothing special). And the results provide evidence for a beneficial effect on abstinence from alcohol.
For what it's worth, the analysis, just published online by the Journal of Psychopharmacology, was funded by the Research Council of Norway, not exactly a fringe outfit.
These mash-ups of previously published studies can be done well or badly, so I talked with Matthew W Johnson, a psychologist at Johns Hopkins. He said this so-called meta-analysis helped quantify the effect and give more heft to work that had suggested LSD could work.
The Hopkins group that Johnson is part of has been investigating the use of psilocybin, the hallucinogen in "magic mushrooms," for smoking cessation and to help terminal cancer patients cope with their illness. They've also taken a look at Salvinorin A, a hallucinogen in salvia, too.
Why would hallucinogens be suited for these kinds of treatments? Johnson said people taking the drugs in the studies he's helped with report that it is "one of the most meaningful experiences — or the most meaningful — in their life."
Some says the "trip" changes the direction of their lives and can trigger a redefinition of how they see themselves. That could be as profound as, "I'm now a nondrinker, or whatever the adciction may be," he said.
Of course, the LSD experiments analyzed in the latest report involved about 500 people. And the drug can cause very disturbing problems for some people who take it — especially at high doses. Larger, more careful studies would be required to assess the approach.
As it is, Johnson said various tests of hallucinogens as treatments suggest that the right surroundings and support are important during a therapeutic trip. "There have been plenty of people who have been alcoholics who have taken LSD, and it has done nothing for their alcoholism," Johnson said.

[woywoyboy]

LSD for alcoholism?

That story is doing seems to be doing the rounds today. I've noticed it on a few different sites with a pic of Hendrix but same text.

[c0ffee]

LSD for alcoholism?

psssssssh. i think i have seen it all on this site now. i wouldn't be surprised if the next thing i saw was that drinking nail polish remover could be a possible cure for alcoholism.

anything else we should know about?

[terryk]

LSD for alcoholism?

c0ffee;1278560 wrote: psssssssh. i think i have seen it all on this site now. i wouldn't be surprised if the next thing i saw was that drinking nail polish remover could be a possible cure for alcoholism.

anything else we should know about?

What about *your* story of hospitalization after baclofen, posted in https://www.mywayout.org/community/f2...elf-48134.html (which you've since deleted). Bluto/Bill.P. claims to have authored that piece: https://www.mywayout.org/community/f2...ml#post1210191 (you'll have to read between the lines there a bit because thankfully, Bluto and his lunacy have been bounced from the forum.

Could you explain that one? Because I think that *I've* seen it all, actually.

-tk

[Ne/Neva Eva]

LSD for alcoholism?

There's something that confuses me about your posts, dustbin. It almost seems as though you know what you're talking about...that you've looked into ways that offer hope and used some sound rational reasoning to suss out what works, what might work, and what doesn't work. And then you post stuff that is simply inflammatory. Or derogatory. Or just...not nice.

And I haven't been able to find any information that would indicate that you know an alternative that is effective, or offers hope, or most importantly, worked for you. So it seems to me that you just showed up to drift around and offer cynical comments and half-truths based on limited information in order to make people feel badly about the choices they are exploring.

And just so you know, in order to be completely clear, there are some real dangers in your solution to seek sobriety or abstinence with a Red Bull approach. The French government banned Red Bull several years ago because they deemed it unsafe. What's more is that there are some real (and very valid, based on some recent research) concerns about toxicity related to Red Bull in combination with alcohol. There have been deaths linked to both Red Bull alone and Red Bull mixed with alcohol. Unlike, say, baclofen, in which there are not any reported cases of death. Even in conjunction with alcohol abuse. Not one. Even when there is a massive overdose.
(http://www.nytimes.com/2011/02/01/health/01brody.html I've attached this article re. Red Bull, just because that's always kind of important when one starts throwing around stats and facts...validation is vital. There's plenty more on line with a more scientific bent, if you want to google and read it. I'm out of time as it is! )

soooo.
I am not interested in a quid pro quo about who knows what or who has a bigger...brain. I would offer my...friendship, or whatever. I hesitate because I get the impression that you are not here to make friends, find help or look for information or solutions. Apologies in advance if I've misjudged.

dustbin;1279249 wrote: No decent doc is going to acquiesce to monitoring your taking 250 +/day of baclofen, except Dr. L. Since he is already not credible in his claims of 99% efficiency and zero SE, why should he be trusted in any aspect of medical care? I would use him as a good source of legitimate baclofen, but that's about it.

I can name several if you'd like the information. *Edit: For your own personal use, well being and health.