LSD for alcoholism?

[terryk]

LSD for alcoholism?

dustbin;1279403 wrote: The Red Bull "solution" was obviously tongue in cheek. I stand by everything else I posted.

I am glad you benefited from high-dose baclofen.
Then could you explain your reply to me in the exchange below?

c0ffee;1278560 wrote: psssssssh. i think i have seen it all on this site now. i wouldn't be surprised if the next thing i saw was that drinking nail polish remover could be a possible cure for alcoholism.

anything else we should know about?
terryk;1279045 wrote: What about *your* story of hospitalization after baclofen, posted in https://www.mywayout.org/community/f2...elf-48134.html (which you've since deleted). Bluto/Bill.P. claims to have authored that piece: https://www.mywayout.org/community/f2...ml#post1210191 (you'll have to read between the lines there a bit because thankfully, Bluto and his lunacy have been bounced from the forum.

Could you explain that one? Because I think that *I've* seen it all, actually.

-tk

dustbin;1279249 wrote: No decent doc is going to acquiesce to monitoring your taking 250 +/day of baclofen, except Dr. L. Since he is already not credible in his claims of 99% efficiency and zero SE, why should he be trusted in any aspect of medical care? I would use him as a good source of legitimate baclofen, but that's about it.

For the record, my regular psychiatrist (not Levin) has been prescribing me hdb for nearly 2 years (up to 280mg/day, currently 240).

-tk

[terryk]

LSD for alcoholism?

dustbin;1279418 wrote: OT: the logistics of this forum sucks big time. I would contribute towards hiring a real IT person to bring the site up to 2012 (or even 2009) standards.
dustbin;1279419 wrote: ???

I am not coffee.

I should add: the responses by Terry K and others on chronic high-dose baclofen are not exactly normal. Can you guys take formal psychological tests (IQ, psychomotor, etc.) to assure us that long-term baclofen at 200mg+ are not cognitively detrimental?

I never said you were c0ffee. Read your post, nitwit: https://www.mywayout.org/community/f2...m-8-55376.html. Your reply is not relevant to what I posted. I'll add that *I* have absolutely *no* trouble posting or using the forum's logistics. Go figure.

-tk

[terryk]

LSD for alcoholism?

dustbin;1279423 wrote: ??? I never replied to your original post.

Like I said...something is "off" here. This may be a SE of high-dose baclofen.

https://www.mywayout.org/community/f2...m-8-55376.html

[terryk]

LSD for alcoholism?

dustbin;1279423 wrote: ??? I never replied to your original post.

Like I said...something is "off" here. This may be a SE of high-dose baclofen.

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[terryk]

LSD for alcoholism?

Alright, I'm outta here. Goodnight.

-tk

[GingerDust]

LSD for alcoholism?

dustbin;1279435 wrote: Tsk, tsk.. Making fun of alcoholics and/or bipolars?

He was making fun of a troll, but he did have a point. A person who trolls people on a recovery website is not likely both sane and sober, you appear to be less of either with every post you make.

[terryk]

LSD for alcoholism?

terryk wrote:
Perhaps you need to start your Lamictal again (and lay off the booze and xanax).

dustbin;1279435 wrote: Tsk, tsk.. Making fun of alcoholics and/or bipolars? Shameful! You are on humongous doses of baclofen! How can you denigrate anyone taking Lamictal, or Xanax, or just drunk? Lamictal and Xanax are recognized treatments for bipolar and anxiety disorders, unlike the 200+ Baclofen that you take on the basis of Internet forums.

GingerDust;1279599 wrote: He was making fun of a troll, but he did have a point. A person who trolls people on a recovery website is not likely both sane and sober, you appear to be less of either with every post you make.

I apologize if I offended anyone with those words. I posted them in haste and then deleted them (10 minutes?), but obviously not before dustbin quoted and reposted them. While I feel those words were regrettable, I did not use them with the intent of "making fun" or attacking anyone with mental illness and/or a substance abuse problem: I had a sneaking suspicion that "dustbin" might have been another incarnation of the resident malcontent Bluto et al (who has intimated that he has trouble with cessation of his meds and ongoing abuse of alcohol and xanax).

My retort was a response to dustbin's "You need help. Perhaps Red Bull?" It was in all truth a plea, but probably a glib and patronizing one, so I retracted it.

I'm not sure that "dustbin" is Bluto et al, but I have a pretty good idea that he/she might be using other usernames here:

From https://www.mywayout.org/community/f2...ml#post1267744 :

arsenic;1267420 wrote: I wrote a long, detailed reply, but it got lost in the posting. WTF, the administrators here really should hire some IT guy to fix the logistics of this site.

Basically, as a lurker here researching medical approaches to alcoholism, I think that Otter doesn't know what he is talking about. I mean - vitamin D, demylination, amygdala (duh: all behaviors go thru the brain),

Otter, you are spending way too much time scanning the Net for research reports with no clinical applications, and coming up with multiple tin-foil headgear theories. You are scientifically illiterate, and even the laymen here can call you out on it.

You are correct, though, in that these are mostly support forums. That's good, since social support is important in treatment. Eyeballing the posters, it seems like less than 10 (maybe 5) are doing well (average 2/day and 5 days/week or less). It is possible that all the other many successes stop posting and went on with their lives. Also possible is that the non-posters quit because baclofen didn't work. To the true believers, it didn't work because they didn't follow protocol or because they didn't tough out SE's - rather circular reasoning.

Look, nobody knows whether high-dose baclofen works or not long-term (>1 year). It works for some percentage (25%) just like any other remedy (AA, multiple vitamins, doing nothing at all). The nice thing about an unproven therapy is that people can feel on the cutting-edge, defying the Man, and the close camaraderie of a gnostic fellowship.

And from last night/morning:

dustbin;1279418 wrote: OT: the logistics of this forum sucks big time. I would contribute towards hiring a real IT person to bring the site up to 2012 (or even 2009) standards.

dustbin;1279435 wrote:
Terry, here is some useful advice: stop posting Googled medical/scientific articles of which you have no clue. Do you have an MD? PhD? Optician's license? You may fool the scientifically illiterate, but you have no credibility. I know that this is non-scientific forum, but it really bugs me that pretenders like you google stuff and present themselves as experts. You are an idiot. Your googled crap makes no coherent case for baclofen. Just stop.


-tk

p.s.

dustbin;1279435 wrote: Were you less of an asshole prior to baclofen?]

I've just finished the informal poll of my friends during lunch and the general consensus is that I'm just about as much of an asshole after baclofen as I always was before, so there you go. What's your excuse?

dustbin;1279435 wrote: Or at least googling less?
Sure I use google, but for information on baclofen I prefer searching MEDLINE using MeSH terms. Maybe if you weren't such a cantankerous ass, I could show you a thing or two.

dustbin;1279435 wrote: Terry, here is some useful advice: stop posting Googled medical/scientific articles of which you have no clue. Do you have an MD? PhD? Optician's license? You may fool the scientifically illiterate, but you have no credibility. I know that this is non-scientific forum, but it really bugs me that pretenders like you google stuff and present themselves as experts. You are an idiot. Your googled crap makes no coherent case for baclofen. Just stop.

I'm sorry that studying for the Optician's license exam has put such a bug up your butt, but I'm not sure what my credentials have to do with what I post here. For the most part, I pull up relevant info and let the literature speak for itself or to the interpretation of anyone else reading it. And I'll continue to do so. Your smug and nasty interaction on this forum doesn't go very far in proving that you have credentials, "expert" ability, or anything other than a big mouth.


dustbin;1279435 wrote: Your primary problem isn't alcohol.

Yeah, not since I stopped drinking with baclofen.

[anne1232]

LSD for alcoholism?

Thanks for posting the artcle about LSD research in addiction, Bruun. Let's get this thread back!

[TheSunFlower]

LSD for alcoholism?

Why would you do that to anyone

Posts about this person were uncalled for. A personal attack. This is an open forum...and even if someone decides to delete....its none of your business. Don't post unless you have something nice to say....period!

[Otter]

LSD for alcoholism?

You know, Dustbin, I thought you were Bill P. for whom I have a lot of respect but you do talk a load of shite.

What are you talking about? You go on about me googling most of the day. I do no such thing matey and I try not to come here. You say I have "zero experience". Of what? Medical research? Well you are wrong there for one. Experience with use of baclofen personally, Wrong. Experience of it use in alcoholism? Wrong. Experience of dealing with some of the most senior doctors in it use? Wrong. And we won't go there? What is that about?

I haven't read any post of yours that shows you have any appreciation of what Baclofen is about, what it does for addiction, why people come here to post. I though some of what you said was funny and maybe you were trying to stimulate debate but now I just think you have no insight or understanding of what this is all about.

I think your name is very appropriate because that is where most of what you say should be put.

Sorry, just sayin buddy.

[Otter]

LSD for alcoholism?

You're an idiot.

[Otter]

LSD for alcoholism?

You are a head case.

[Otter]

LSD for alcoholism?

You are a nut job.

[Otter]

LSD for alcoholism?

No, I just came to observe out of curisoity and then I came across your posts which I thought were amusing until I realized you had nothing interesting to say about alcoholism and your main purpose was just to undermine other people, insult them, ridicule them and make them feel bad so I thought I would let you know so that you could start to develop some insight into whatever psychological condition it is that you suffer from.

[Otter]

LSD for alcoholism?

dustbin;1281084 wrote: I came across your posts, and I thought them pretentious, scientifically illiterate, and medically irrelevant.

That is insulting. Calling Terry K what you called him is insulting.

How is it insulting to say that many people (50% short-term in study enrollees) *will* get better. Why should anyone feel bad reading that there is no 90% effective treatment? Surely they know that already. I ridicule

Yes, you do ridicule people.


those claiming 90%, or 99% success rates, and people like you and others who googled pre-clinical experiments to conclude that this or that is a miracle drug.

Baclofen is what it is and it does what it does. That is it.

You are posting just to help me?

No, I don't want to help you. That was a joke.

Well thanks, but our one-line exchanges are just schoolyard insults yelled across the playground. I don't pretend otherwise.

Yes, that is exactly what they were. It started with you insulting me gratuitously.


And, there are only a couple of people I have given my real name to here and one of them is you.

So, I know who you are.