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Hey Golfmonster! I'm sorry none of the meds worked for you. I think we have to keep sight of the fact that these are not magic bullets. They are not cures. They are tools. And we do see our fair share of people for whom the meds don't work. Alongside plenty for whom they do.
I hope whatever you're doing now works for you. Have you read "Rational Recovery" or "Kick the Drink Easily"? They have the kind of philosophy that seems to be appealing to you now. Best of luck to you!
Alice Cooper kicks ass."Yet someday this will have an end
All choices made or choice resigned,
And in your face the literal eye
Trace little of your history,
Nor ever piece the tale entire
Of villages that had to burn
And playgrounds of the will destroyed
Before you could be safe from time
And gather in your brow and air
The stillness of antiquity."
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No problem! I'm on 40 mg/day of baclofen and also taking antabuse every other day or so. And sobriety is relatively painless. Relatively.
I liked "Rational Recovery" better than "Kick the Drink", but I think "Kick" was more popular around here.
If you're looking for a non AA support group, check online and see if there are any S.M.A.R.T. Recovery meetings in your area. I was hesitant to try one (I absolutely HATED AA meetings), but I love them! Very open-minded, non-religious (sorry, AA. non-"spiritual"), open to meds and science, with a core philosophy of cognitive behavioral therapy. I just wish there were more of them.
Best of luck, and let us know how it goes!"Yet someday this will have an end
All choices made or choice resigned,
And in your face the literal eye
Trace little of your history,
Nor ever piece the tale entire
Of villages that had to burn
And playgrounds of the will destroyed
Before you could be safe from time
And gather in your brow and air
The stillness of antiquity."
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Antabuse+baclofen
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OMG! Golfguy, You're...what'shisname???
Pulled from the other thread:
I sincerely doubt that, since it's been a couple of years and you're still looking for a way out. How's that treating you??? Boy, that bums me out for you. But I'm glad you're still around to...rain on parades. :H (sort of. Though I guess it's not really funny.)GolfMonster;1297692 wrote:
This will be my last post here.
I gotta go, but...(What was your original username? It's going to drive me crazy.) I'll be back.
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I wonder what would have happened had you just take the time off from your illustrious career to just get the job done, instead of diligently trying lots of different approaches during your (albeit extended) vacations?Comment
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Really? Important for whom? Why would you think that your experience is SO important given all the experience documented here? Confession: It kind of irks me when people post here for prosterity. This is MWO. "Documentation" is not what's about. It's a support site, yo?GolfMonster;1297222 wrote: Hi all
I thought it important to document my experience with these drugs.
Your categories of "success/failure" are not helpful. I think you are correct that, all across MWO, we see more "stories" that are complete (a beginning, a middle an end, ) that have a happy ending. That does not surprise me. I would guess that is the norm at all recovery websites since the beginning and the middle are not happy places. If the ending isn't happy, a person probably isn't posting anymore. Duh. I'm still in the middle of my story, which has been a long story, with several curves, hills and valleys. Apparently, your story ends in golf. Good luck with that.
I don't rely on baclofen for sobriety, but I don't consider it a "failure." Baclofen was an important key to helping me stay sober. It's a huge piece of a very intricate puzzle. I tried Topa too, pretty enthusiastically, and it worked. My drinking was cut down considerably. I could not take the side effects though, so I tapered off the topa. I still don't categorize it as a "failure" in my mind because it worked. It also brought me to MWO, where I later learned about baclofen, and later learned read about the experiences of people on AB, and still learn everyday about ways to live without AL that I wouldn't have thought of myself. If I were to drink tomorrow, I STILL wouldn't consider everything I've tried to be a failure. But, if my thoughts worked in such hard, sharp, black&white terms, I might be better off drinking anyway.
Good luck using golf to stay sober. It's no more "sober" than other sports, and significantly less so than most. As I recall (working at a bar in clubhouse), it generally starts off with an early tee-time, say 7:30 a.m. and Bloody Marys. It's nice how, even in the early hours before the beverage cart is running, you can just call the clubhouse. They'll mix your drinks and run them right out to you on the course - no judgment at all, not even at 7 a.m.. Be sure to tip well, so the runner stays attentive!
Seriously though, you want medicines to have more power over you than you have yourself. That's not likely to happen, ever. You cannot blame AB because you ingested 30 units in a weekend. At some point, you do have to make the choice not to drink, for an hour, for a day, whatever. YOU have to do that, and no medicine will have the power to stop you from drinking if you're determined to drink. Sorry, but that's the cold, hard fact. I feel bad even apologizing because what I am really saying is that no med, no recovery program, nothing will ever have more power over you than you have over yourself. In my mind, that's a very empowering thought and GREAT news. But if I preferred to find someone or something to blame for my "failure" (your word, not mine), maybe I wouldn't like to think about what kind of power I actually wield in my own life.
Again, good luck with the golf. If you approach the game the way you approach meds, I am quite confident that will "fail" on the course and that you will HATE golf. :HGinger
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WHOA, WHOA, SLOW DOWN A SECOND!
Where is all this venom coming from? I am not familliar with any posts this person has done in the past, so I cannot speak to those. But nothing, NOTHING, this person has said here is offensive, or, in my opinion warrants this aggression.
If someone were to come on here and post (as many have) that AA didn't work for them, conventional inpatient didn't work for them, therapy didn't work for them, etc., they would be welcome with open arms. Why should meds be any different? And why take offense with the fact that this person had described his (I'm making an assumption as to this person's sex) experiences? For all we know, it could be so one of us doesn't say "But have you tried X medication?" If he were to come on here and say "I have tried all these meds and none of them work and you are all idiots for trying them" (again, happens), then, maybe, I would be offended. But he didn't.
"All the best everyone with whatever techniques they chose." That describes exactly my philosophy.
I believe his golf for alcohol comment may have been tongue in cheek, but even if it weren't, who the fuck are any of us to judge? If a person gets sober by wearing their pants on their head, I say good for them. And a few months ago, I probably would have tried wearing my pants on my head if I heard it worked. The sarcastic comments seem unnecessary.
Yes, this is a support site. But it also a documentation site. How would any of us known which med to try or what side effects to expect if others who had come before us hadn't documented their experiences here? Meds don't work for everyone. And that will always be the case. In the future, people may read his posts and feel comforted that they are not alone. To argue with someone who says that meds didn't work for him is as ignorant and narrow minded as a 12 stepper saying AA is the only way. Maybe he had too high of expectations from the meds. I suggested as much in my first reply. But that is niether here nor there because
THIS IS A SUPPORT SITE.
Golfmonster, I think the antabuse and baclofen combo might be a great thing for you to try. And do check those books out. If you plan on taking baclofen on an as needed basis you might not want to do 40mg. That might be a little strong to take all at once. Are you opposed to the idea of taking a base level of maybe 30mg/day and 10 to 20 extra on an as needed basis? Your doctor sounds very helpful. I'm glad you have him/her.
Now, if he had only heard from you guys, what are the odds he'd be sober a month from now? If he'd only heard from me, would those odds be the same? There might not be a huge difference, but I'm willing to bet there would be a discrepancy.
Golfmonster, I hope a month from now you're kicking ass on the golf course stone cold sober. If there's antabuse in your veins or pants on your head, I don't care. I want you to be sober and however you get there, you have my support."Yet someday this will have an end
All choices made or choice resigned,
And in your face the literal eye
Trace little of your history,
Nor ever piece the tale entire
Of villages that had to burn
And playgrounds of the will destroyed
Before you could be safe from time
And gather in your brow and air
The stillness of antiquity."
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Well said Windy, I dont know who you are, from what I can see you are a new member right? this is no way to treat somone new member or otherwise who has said nothing wrong o here.
Golfmonster just keep trying, eventually you will find something that works for you,
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windycitylady;1298001 wrote:
Where is all this venom coming from? I am not familliar with any posts this person has done in the past, so I cannot speak to those. But nothing, NOTHING, this person has said here is offensive, or, in my opinion warrants this aggression.
You're sweet, Windy, but I don't see it the same way. I pretty much made up my mind when Golfmonster claimed to be a practicing physician, who had written 40+ articles for "peer-reviewed" medical journals (where have we seen this before?), and then proceeded to give share his personal opinion on the value of meds. Short and sweet: The guy is a liar, right out of the gate, and used his fictional M.D. creds to back up his arguments and make thinly veiled accusations toward others, one of them being Dr. L. I think my aggression was warranted. I do think the guy, whoever he is, is a drunk. I hope he finds his way out and most of my post was made with that in mind.
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Why couldn't Golf be a doctor? (Let me say I don't know Golf, I am not him, and we have never communicated.) It doesn't add or detract from his posts.GingerDust;1298121 wrote: You're sweet, Windy, but I don't see it the same way. I pretty much made up my mind when Golfmonster claimed to be a practicing physician, who had written 40+ articles for "peer-reviewed" medical journals (where have we seen this before?), and then proceeded to give share his personal opinion on the value of meds. Short and sweet: The guy is a liar, right out of the gate, and used his fictional M.D. creds to back up his arguments and make thinly veiled accusations toward others, one of them being Dr. L. I think my aggression was warranted. I do think the guy, whoever he is, is a drunk. I hope he finds his way out and most of my post was made with that in mind.
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Of course he is a drunk. Aren't you? And many people here?
You are way out of line here. It seems that any discussions questioning baclofen end up in vitriol. I would have expected better from some of the regulars here, who are usually reasonable, informative, and cheerful, but have posted uncharacteristically nasty stuff in these threads.
About Dr. L: Why is it verboten to question his practice? I understand he is a nice guy and provides a legitimate source of hdb. But, it is obvious he is medically clueless. He claims 95% success rate with no side-effects. He has to look up interactions with Xanax (bac and Xanax. For a psychiatrist prescribing hdb. Really?). He tells a patient to go off long-term klonopin to ramp up on bac. He is violating medical board recommendations (and maybe actual regulations) by prescribing across state lines to people he has never met.Comment
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I think that there has been an aggressive response. I was surprised by it & can't understand why.
On reflection there has been a hugely positive endorsement for meds,supps, diet, hypno, the list goes on.
Some, none or all may work for different people.
As someone said they are all tools. Everylittle helps!
I found the "critiques" helpful. I was reminded there is no quick fix. Commitment is required.
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I think that this the most dishonest, cynical comment I have ever seen in my many years on the Internet.GingerDust;1298121 wrote: ..... I do think the guy, whoever he is, is a drunk. I hope he finds his way out and most of my post was made with that in mind.
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