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    #16
    Naltrex/Topa/Zonisamide/Baclofen all failed

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      #17
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      "I do think the guy, whoever he is, is a drunk."

      What!!!!!!!!!!I cant believe you said that Ginger, since when has that been a problem on here, the site is for drunks.

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        #18
        Naltrex/Topa/Zonisamide/Baclofen all failed

        And yes I got the golf thing, I used to be a big Alice Cooper fan and have seen him on a tv interview talking about it, also other mad old rock n rollers are into it as well I believe

        I hope you find success whatever you do Golf

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          #19
          Naltrex/Topa/Zonisamide/Baclofen all failed

          Hi, Sujo. I was wondering what happened to you. It's good to see you back. Keep on quitting. You'll get there.
          Ginger



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            #20
            Naltrex/Topa/Zonisamide/Baclofen all failed

            GolfMonster;1298161 wrote: I think this will be my last post on this thread and possibly the site.

            1. Yes, I am a practicing doc, and I have little to gain personally from documenting my experience and criticising bac.
            2. Every post I entered here has been stone cold sober.
            3. The thing about golf came from Alice Cooper's book - he used an obsession with golf as a way of focussing on something more healthy.
            4. I don't think I will try daily bac 30 mg because a very well conducted placebo controlled RCT from some experienced researchers in the States showed it did very little. I have found bac 20 mg to be anxiolytic, and my psych agreed with me that it has minimal downside, so it may be useful in my recovery.

            Thanks to all who have made helpful and very thoughtful suggestions. All the best with your plans. I hope this post might help some people.

            xxoo
            It helped me. Thank you.

            I think there have been a couple of other doctors who posted here. They quickly retreated. As you discovered, no one wants to hear about science, despite proclamations to the contrary. This is a support forum (everything works!), and few people understand clinical studies. It is not as easy to understand as it looks. So there are a bunch of people here pulling up Google stuff "proving" that hdb works. They really have no clue.

            The truth is that there is no good treatment for alcoholism. But, it is worthwhile trying everything.

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              #21
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              spacebebe01;1298162 wrote: "I do think the guy, whoever he is, is a drunk."

              What!!!!!!!!!!I cant believe you said that Ginger, since when has that been a problem on here, the site is for drunks.
              Nah...Ginger says this stuff a lot. Just because someone cuts down on his/her drinking, it doesn't mean they were not nasty, evil people to begin with.

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                #22
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                spacebebe01;1298162 wrote: "I do think the guy, whoever he is, is a drunk."

                What!!!!!!!!!!I cant believe you said that Ginger, since when has that been a problem on here, the site is for drunks.
                That's exactly what I meant, Space! As I said, my post to him was targeted toward recovery from alcoholism (because he is a drunk), as opposed to the suspicious claims he made or the motivations that he ascribed to others. Really, I think the whole Golfmonster/BillF tag teaming is just another tiresome rerun from a man of many, many screen names. How boring.
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                  #23
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                  GingerDust;1298215 wrote: That's exactly what I meant, Space! As I said, my post to him was targeted toward recovery from alcoholism (because he is a drunk), as opposed to the suspicious claims he made or the motivations that he ascribed to others. Really, I think the whole Golfmonster/BillF tag teaming is just another tiresome rerun from a man of many, many screen names. How boring.
                  That is completely disingenuous.

                  You called him a drunk to insult him, nothing else.

                  As I said, I don't know Golf at all. You can concoct all the conspiracy theories you want.

                  The guy described his serial experiences with various meds. He said that there is scant evidence in the medical literature supporting any (true).

                  If you disagree, do so. Don't call someone a drunk and a liar; he was very civil and just described his personal experience.

                  What's wrong with you?

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                    #24
                    Naltrex/Topa/Zonisamide/Baclofen all failed

                    Wow.
                    I gracefully bow out. The sickies can win this one.
                    I struggle with anger issues, but I will not indulge myself here. To argue with someone who is either very mentally ill, very antagonistic, or most likely both is below me and counterproductive to my personal recovery. Such a person feeds off of the responses and the anger they generate, and I refuse to add fuel to that fire.
                    So I am taking a deep breath and calmly suggesting that Bill associate with people who are smarter than us and share his values.
                    I will go back on my word to say one thing. Bill, we can't stop you from posting here. But don't you fucking ever, ever again take something I said elsewhere out of context to back up your point. If you're as goddamnmed intelligent as you say you are, you don't need to reference someone who is as ignorant and despises you as much as me.
                    "Yet someday this will have an end
                    All choices made or choice resigned,
                    And in your face the literal eye
                    Trace little of your history,
                    Nor ever piece the tale entire
                    Of villages that had to burn
                    And playgrounds of the will destroyed
                    Before you could be safe from time
                    And gather in your brow and air
                    The stillness of antiquity."

                    From "At Majority" by Adrienne Rich

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                      #25
                      Naltrex/Topa/Zonisamide/Baclofen all failed

                      Ginger, should we develop a code word when such people appear? One of us could just post the word, and we'd all agree not to post further. This is a waste of our time. Apparently very smart people have all the time in the world, but us idiots should really conserve ours.:H
                      "Yet someday this will have an end
                      All choices made or choice resigned,
                      And in your face the literal eye
                      Trace little of your history,
                      Nor ever piece the tale entire
                      Of villages that had to burn
                      And playgrounds of the will destroyed
                      Before you could be safe from time
                      And gather in your brow and air
                      The stillness of antiquity."

                      From "At Majority" by Adrienne Rich

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                        #26
                        Naltrex/Topa/Zonisamide/Baclofen all failed

                        First word that came to mind was "charlatan". But I'm open to suggestions.
                        "Yet someday this will have an end
                        All choices made or choice resigned,
                        And in your face the literal eye
                        Trace little of your history,
                        Nor ever piece the tale entire
                        Of villages that had to burn
                        And playgrounds of the will destroyed
                        Before you could be safe from time
                        And gather in your brow and air
                        The stillness of antiquity."

                        From "At Majority" by Adrienne Rich

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                          #27
                          Naltrex/Topa/Zonisamide/Baclofen all failed

                          Haven't been on the board for a while but this thread is very upsetting.
                          Why all the vitriol?
                          Supposedly, this is a support board. I've been a member here for several yrs & have seen some heated discussions, but nothing like this.
                          I saw nothing in this member's posts that should incite such nastiness. But even if there was, why would y'all jump on him instead of simply ignoring the post?
                          I don't get it. (But I guess I don't have to...)

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                            #28
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                            hoping4better;1298306 wrote: Haven't been on the board for a while but this thread is very upsetting.
                            Why all the vitriol?
                            Supposedly, this is a support board. I've been a member here for several yrs & have seen some heated discussions, but nothing like this.
                            I saw nothing in this member's posts that should incite such nastiness. But even if there was, why would y'all jump on him instead of simply ignoring the post?
                            I don't get it. (But I guess I don't have to...)
                            A few reasons occur to me:

                            Fringe treatments like high-dose baclofen attract especially fervent acolytes. The less the science, the more crazy the followers.

                            Look, some therapies do or do not work. It is scientifically ridiculous to pretend that everything needs to be supported. Yet, in a support forum, everything is equal.

                            The OP, being a mere doc, wanted to invoke science. As you said, this is a support forum, not a venue for medical discussions. No one understands clinical studies.

                            If some one takes 200+ a day of baclofen, he/she has to believe it works. It seems impossible to me that there are no significant side-effects, and thus the they *have* to cling to the belief that their lives have been saved. Any expression of doubt is a challenge to their entire belief system bordering on the religious.

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                              #29
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                              windycitylady;1298254 wrote: First word that came to mind was "charlatan". But I'm open to suggestions.
                              I'm sure you are very nice, and obviously loyal. But, "char..." whatever is not the word you are looking for.

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                                #30
                                Naltrex/Topa/Zonisamide/Baclofen all failed

                                windycitylady;1298248 wrote: Wow.
                                I gracefully bow out. The sickies can win this one.
                                I struggle with anger issues, but I will not indulge myself here. To argue with someone who is either very mentally ill, very antagonistic, or most likely both is below me and counterproductive to my personal recovery. Such a person feeds off of the responses and the anger they generate, and I refuse to add fuel to that fire.
                                So I am taking a deep breath and calmly suggesting that Bill associate with people who are smarter than us and share his values.
                                I will go back on my word to say one thing. Bill, we can't stop you from posting here. But don't you fucking ever, ever again take something I said elsewhere out of context to back up your point. If you're as goddamnmed intelligent as you say you are, you don't need to reference someone who is as ignorant and despises you as much as me.
                                Ginger was calling Golf a drunk and a liar for claiming to be a doctor and that there is no proof that bac works.
                                I did not add to that and I have no idea why you are targeting me. I never referenced you. I have not said anything about my intelligence or lack thereof. I have no idea who you are. Get a grip, lady.

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