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    Stuck, I.....don't know exactly what to say. I felt very moved by what you wrote when I read it last night after work and started to compose a post. But I was post-smoking session, and that never works out well. I found myself copying and pasting Florence and the Machine lyrics, which didn't seem all that helpful, so I scrapped the whole thing, planning to come back today with a clear head. And I still don't really know what to say.

    I get it, I think. I know we're doing very different things right now, but I think I understand how you're feeling. Sometimes I get flashes where I feel like I'm seeing the past, the present, and the future, and I can see the futility of it all. I don't feel "depressed", but the uselessness of everything makes killing myself seem downright practical. Again, I don't feel sad exactly. I just feel like I'm seeing things for what they truly are. And they are hopeless. Of course, I would never kill myself, and I understand that even when I'm having these feelings. But what is this? Is it depression? Can it (should it) be fixed with a medication? Is it a cognitive distortion put into place by years of drinking? Is it because I haven't found my life's purpose? Most terrifying, is it the truth? I don't know. All I know is that it passes. And then comes back. And right now there's nothing I can do about it.
    I'm ashamed to admit that I really don't know enough about academia/grad school stuff to understand what you're doing. But it seems like a lot. And it involves creativity. I'm a very hard worker. I can build something, clean something, do math problems, all with no problem. Anything that I can look at and say, "Ok, this how you start this, and these are the steps you take to finish this." But creativity....writing, even grading other's writing, is a whole different animal. It engages your brain on a different level and requires you to reach within yourself. Despite being an avid lover of fiction, poetry, and music, I decided early on in my (very brief) undergrad career that I wanted to major in physics. I wanted there to be a right answer every time. I did not want to be told what was "good writing" and I did not want to decide what was "good writing". I was horrified the first time I took a poetry class. It was like watching a loved one on a dissection table.
    I'm not trying to make this all about me. I'm just trying to relate to what you're going through in terms of my experiences. I guess the short story is that you have my sympathies.
    I don't know that I'm a big believer in the visualizing your dreams and positive outcomes stuff. Maybe because it's been a long time since I've had a dream of any kind. But I do know that I get a gut feeling about what the next step should be. I often can't see what's beyond that step, but I take it. I know we've talked about AA phrases that actually are helpful, and one for me is "Just do the next right thing." I got very frustrated when I first started attending SMART meetings because they kept talking about rational beliefs and irrational beliefs. How do I know what's a rational belief and what's an irrational one? My facilitator told me a rational belief helps you, an irrational belief hurts you. Initially, this didn't satisfy me; again, I want there to be one right answer. But I'm warming up to the idea. Today I'm trying to let that gut instinct guide me, and I'm trying to constantly question my belief system.
    Soooo......what does your gut tell you about where you're at? What do you WANT to do? Are you thinking that you may not stay in the program you're in? Is your eventual goal to be able to write full-time? Do you want to teach? Forgive me if you've said your goals at another time. I may have missed it or forgotten it by now.

    Man, I don't feel like I'm being very helpful at all. I'm sorry. I really just want to delete this whole thing as I feel like it makes me sound like a self-obsessed piece of shit, but it's taken too much time to type at this point. Just know that that's not what I set out to do, talk about myself. I just....arrggh!

    Ok. Back to my stoned first plan.

    Oh the river, oh the river, it's running free
    And I'll join in the joy it brings to me
    But I know it'll have to drown me
    Before I can breathe easy
    And I've seen it in the flights of birds, I've seen it in you
    The entrails of animals, the blood running through
    But in order to get to the heart, I think sometimes you have to cut through
    But you can
    Just keep following the heartlines on your hand
    Just keep following the heartlines on your hand
    Keep it up, I know you can
    Just keep following the heartlines on your hand
    Cause I am
    "Yet someday this will have an end
    All choices made or choice resigned,
    And in your face the literal eye
    Trace little of your history,
    Nor ever piece the tale entire
    Of villages that had to burn
    And playgrounds of the will destroyed
    Before you could be safe from time
    And gather in your brow and air
    The stillness of antiquity."

    From "At Majority" by Adrienne Rich

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      Totally new to forum, sort of new to bac

      And thanks for the Jay Z thing! My favorite is "Was on Steve Jobs bad side when he passed away."
      "Yet someday this will have an end
      All choices made or choice resigned,
      And in your face the literal eye
      Trace little of your history,
      Nor ever piece the tale entire
      Of villages that had to burn
      And playgrounds of the will destroyed
      Before you could be safe from time
      And gather in your brow and air
      The stillness of antiquity."

      From "At Majority" by Adrienne Rich

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        I gotta admit, I don't really get it.

        I don't think I read an actual problem in there. Did I miss something? (I'm not being facetious and maybe only a tad tongue-in-cheek.)

        You got laid. There are girl problems. There is more work than fun. There are fears about the future.

        Doesn't that just sound like life?

        And you guys are right, I suppose, that it might all suck and be totally futile. I definitely get into that headspace. At least 6 times a day. Don't even get me started on the what ifs. Starting with the fact that if the Europeans don't get their economic woes under control I am going to be really upset that we bought a house. And if there really isn't some sort of life (ANY) after death I'm going to be really royally angry. It is simply not fair that I lost half (HALF) of my life to that horrible disease. I can't get a mulligan for this one, so I really hope I get a next one, even if it isn't me. (The fact that I have no belief or belief system in place to support this is a bit of a downer.)

        But really, who cares? I got a B on an exam and had sex and walked my dog in the rain. Meh. It was a nice-ish day. But it really kind of sucked, if you look at it the other way. Whatever.

        My mind chatter is all over the place, (please do not read the following. it annoys even me.) I am fairly convinced that I will never accomplish what I aim to do, and Ed and I agree that being just plain old normal would kinda suck. Except it's kind of nice, maybe. My bff isn't speaking to me, or I'm not speaking to her. I'm not really sure which because we aren't speaking. That sounds funny but it's not. It's breaking my heart a little bit. I totally tanked an exam yesterday and didn't submit all the stuff for the program correctly and this house may suck the very life and blood out of me/us and and and...

        Whatever dude. It's all moot. Just put some pants on (ok, that's not really required)** and you know...do the next thing. Hopefully some of 'em will make you feel good.

        I just ate a pint of Chocolate Peanut Butter, so I'm calling it a nice-ish day.

        One of the buddhist guys I'm reading has a bumper sticker or something, "Have a nice day. Unless you have other plans."

        You could still be a miserable drunk.

        xo
        EDIT for the asterisks. THAT is a very cool thing about being a writer. You get to do it in your underwear. Or jammies, in my case.

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          Ne/Neva Eva;1390465 wrote:

          But really, who cares? I got a B on an exam and had sex and walked my dog in the rain.
          What? You had sex whilst walking your dog in the rain (I hear having sex in the rain can be fun but I'm not sure I'd like a dog to watch). Or you had sex during your exam (which might explain the B rather than an A).

          Mr Stuck, you got laid, so stop whining. It's been an eternity since I had any so I have absolutely no sympathy for you.
          "My fault, my failure, is not in the passions I have, but in my lack of control of them." Jack Kerouac

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            Totally new to forum, sort of new to bac

            Yes that is the other problem with whining. Not only does one sound like a d-bag, if the problems one's whining about don't measure up or aren't even problems at all, well one doesn't just sound like, one is a d-bag.

            I'll definitely lay off the getting laid talk, though. Don't want to raise any sore subjects...

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              Totally new to forum, sort of new to bac

              Someone on another thread said something about a pity party only works when your the only person there, the more people join in the less it is, or somthing, its just being in a moaning mood sometimes, we all get it. Please dont moan to me about getting laid, THATS not even funny

              ps on a more serious note you do seem to get pretty down at times. you should try looking into doing something about that, there's more to it that ad's, theres diet, excercise, supps, all kinds of stuff that healthy and could really help you start feeling better. I will always remember you and your mango :H .

              You have put so much into this I hate you not to be getting the rewards, do you run, I cant but would love to, I think that would be great for you. And why havent you got a girlfriend? Take someone to the cinema or for something to eat not just shag them, you will fell better about the whole thing.

              Ive got to go now but I feel bad for not being on your thread lately so Im going to make a point to try and come on more often

              Take good care of Mr Stuck for me x

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                Space, you bring tears to my eyes stopping by and with what you say while you're here, and I thank you. I read elsewhere that you were dealing with some thoughts about AL, so really it means even more to me that you'd stop by. I hope all that passes soon and you get right back on track to doing as well as you were recently. I wish someone had an answer, since nothing's changed med-wise. OK, won't go into it further, but just thanks and hugs.

                Windy, I meant to say this sooner: please stop saying POS when referring to yourself. You rock my world and everyone else's. You are ah-mazing, and I love it when you make things all about you--with writing, I mean, don't know what I'd think about that in real life. 'Cause that's the only way I know to do it, too. Write about myself and hope it resonates. But it does resonate, with me at least, and yeah... the writing/deleting/writing again... I get it. Thank you for the lyrics/poem. I'd return the favor but people might get uncomfortable with the music you're into. (Too soon for a wink after the last one?)

                Iful... what the hell are we calling you these days? I can't for the life of me figure out a decent moniker, abbreviation, acronym... I got nothing at this point. I'm really happy to see you and your giant green smile around. I've been thinking about you a lot lately, and hoping you're doing well.

                Yeah, everyone. Sorry if my issues aren't issues anymore, or whatever. I keep trying to hold steady on bac. Ne's right: 120 is way down from my switch, and it's all I can do to even stay there. I'm so f-cking sick of the pills. I'm really f-cking sick of being sober and still being me. So of course I fixed it by trying to drink, and then finding that that doesn't really work either.

                I'm not even sure if it's the booze itself I'm craving. And to anyone not on HDB that'll sound like a whole bunch of self-rationalizing horse hockey*. But really what I think I'm craving is an alibi: I'd be writing brilliant crap all night long if it weren't for... And then I'm still left craving oblivion to forget that I still know I'm using AL as an alibi.

                Whatever. I know full well that I'm just complaining. I know that in the grand scheme I'm functioning and doing fine and very privileged when a lot of people aren't, but at the same time I feel absolutely paralyzed. There's no way to explain it. Just simply paralyzed. I don't know, I'm sitting here trying to figure out a way to illustrate how I'm feeling, but that way is beyond me.

                Maybe a text message I sent to a friend earlier tonight might sum it up: "Fuck everything about every fucking thing." That's the best I've got, and I can't tell you why. It's not an event that happened, it's not one of the several meaningless things I need to accomplish in the next few days, it was just looking around and seeing a bunch of people. It was me looking around a room and being utterly disgusted with every single thing and every single person I saw in that room.

                So there. I sure am thankful for all of you. Every time I wander off the few threads that are like a safe-zone for me I cause problems. I don't mean to, but I don't express myself well out there... Don't know why I'm even going into that right now. There was just some sh-t that really bothered me, and well.

                Night all, wishing all the best for everyone.

                :l


                * Any M*A*S*H fans out there?

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                  Col Potter was a fount of wisdom. Space is also wise and witty.

                  Didn't you just stop drinking against your will a minute or two ago? I get it, though. I'm in such a rush all the time that I have literal speeding tickets...And karmic ones too. I get the other stuff, too. I'm glad you wrote it because I was in such a funk when I read it. Nice to know I'm not the only one looking at a glass mostly empty. 'cause for some of us, an empty glass is a not-so-bad thing. That makes me grin a little bit, actually.

                  I don't really get into visualization either, Windy. Not that I'm trying to take anyone's motivation away! I learned the hard way (repeatedly) I gotta do what I wanna get done. Jkttdp. Sit my butt on a mat. Write. Get a shrink. The list is rather endless, actually. I've got the first part down. (sort of.) It drives me crazy that I know what to do and how to do it and still don't do it. Apparently that's normal. dreadful, dreadful, dreadful thing...

                  Lovelife: Are there no sheep where you are? Nice to see you. Love the av. :l

                  Superlove atcha all.

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                    Hi Stuck,

                    I love M*A*S*H. So what's the dealio with your high vitamin B levels? Did they test all of them or just B12 and 6? Didn't you have a very high WBC too? Just wondering if you're scheduled for a follow up appt. Because I'm good and annoying for things like that. :l

                    I hope you have a great day today!

                    EDIT: And folate. They probably tested that too.
                    This Princess Saved Herself

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                      Totally new to forum, sort of new to bac

                      Hey Stuck.
                      I felt terribly embarrassed about my first post, came back to delete it, and the internet wasn't working here. I was pissed.
                      I've never felt comfortable saying to someone "You should do X" or "You're feeling that way because of Y". Unless someone is directly asking me advice, like "Should I do X?", I don't feel right TELLING someone what to do or how to feel.
                      When I was little, I'd go to work with my parents sometimes. They both worked with troubled (some had neurological problems, some had been severely abused) kids. They told me to relate to the kids. So I always took the approach of "Are you scared? You know what makes me scared is..."
                      So that's what I was trying to do, I guess. And I'd had too much caffeine.
                      But I think Ne's right. It is what you make it. Sure, throughout the course of a day, I'll have 5 moments of all-consuming despair. But I'll also have 10 moments of absolute joy. And 100 moments that are somewhere in between. It's up to me (us) what I choose to focus on.
                      That said, I think it's cool for you to "complain". You're feeling what you're feeling, right? And telling yourself that you shouldn't be feeling that way doesn't change anything.
                      The feeling of being paralyzed. That's a hard one. I guess just keep asking yourself, "What is the next right thing?" One foot in front of the other, right? I hope that doesn't sound dismissive. It's not meant to.
                      So you're going to stay where you're at with the bac?
                      Just know that I care immensely for you and love to read your posts.
                      And rather than be offended by all the ass you're getting, I'm living vicariously through you. Which probably isn't healthy either.
                      "Yet someday this will have an end
                      All choices made or choice resigned,
                      And in your face the literal eye
                      Trace little of your history,
                      Nor ever piece the tale entire
                      Of villages that had to burn
                      And playgrounds of the will destroyed
                      Before you could be safe from time
                      And gather in your brow and air
                      The stillness of antiquity."

                      From "At Majority" by Adrienne Rich

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                        Dude! You deleted. It was (as usual) a good one. If I responded to everything that I thought was important, much less pertinent, I'd be here all day. But it was good. Don't delete.

                        And you know what? I pay someone, week in and week out, for more than a year now (!!!) to say this stuff to me. It's pretty amazing how saying it out loud (really out loud) to a sort-of stranger puts it all into a completely different perspective.

                        What's nice is that she's much nicer than I am. MUCH nicer. But tough toodles. You're all I've got and you're stuck with me.

                        (and btw, things are such that I'm just really doing the next any-thing. Ya' know? The miracle, the unreal part of it all, is that I still couldn't care less about booze. wtf? I even tried some (tentatively) because it was bothering me and I felt like I wanted to know...
                        Reg, are you around? There IS a reason we do what we do, despite the risks. Because never in the history of me did I think this was even remotely possible. So there's that. )

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                          Who deleted?

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                            Totally new to forum, sort of new to bac

                            Hi Stuck, Hang in there, It's about all we really can do I suppose, Keep on trying. And Bruun, I think thoughts do become reality given time, but I don't think they happen quick enough for you to have killed your plants and your cat all in just this year:h and Windy, just to let you know, Leonard Cohen is my favorite poet/singer/song-writer in the world, thanks for quoting him, and Hi Space, good advice to Stuck

                            Love,
                            Play

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                              Totally new to forum, sort of new to bac

                              Just a quick hello Stuck, how you doing to day? Im thinking of you

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                                Hello right back, Space, been thinking about you, too. Your question is a good one, and is perfectly timed. It's hooded sweatshirt and slippers weather in LA, finally. Overcast. It's one of the few days here that feel like fall, and I woke up feeling at a crossroads. I've made it no secret that I'm rather tired of myself lately, drunk or sober, but after two straight nights of drinking I started to wonder if it was against my will or because of it.

                                So I spent today trying to get some kind of perspective on things. I got a haircut. I did my online job at the bar, and stayed after to talk with the bartender for a while, but had only club soda. I'm thinking about writing out a schedule for my days, from the time I wake up until the time I go to bed. And of course the weekend is the best time to start, no? :H


                                In a nutshell I realized today that there's actually a job to do here in LA, whether it matters or means anything or anyone cares or not. Not sure if that's one of those things where it works if you work it, but we'll see. Right now the only long-term project I can imagine undertaking is building one of those do-it-yourself corkboards out of wine corks. But then it dawned on me I'd have to buy the corks in bulk--yes, they do sell packages of them, I've checked--or else it would take for-freaking-ever. And that kind of drains all the pride out of the thing.

                                Bac-wise I'm fairly certainly staying put. It's kind of nice to know that I can go out and get plastered if I want, though honestly the plastered isn't very fun. Kind of fun, maybe. Or at least the motions and patterns of going to the kitchen and pouring, and then sitting and drinking are comforting. It's the damnedest thing, but my apartment only really feels like home when I'm doing that. I feel connected to myself and a sense of place in a way I don't otherwise, the kitchen just simply feels like mine, like I belong there.

                                And there was supposed to be something more positive to end on, but not drinking tonight is a positive. Reading for a little while and then maybe a bath, perhaps a little TV on the laptop in bed are positives. Well, not the TV part.

                                With that, 'night folks.

                                :l

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