Allergic To Baclofen? I Hope Not.

[BetterAndBetter]

Hi folks...

I won't bore you with too many details. I'm a heavy, but functional (no blackouts anymore... have full-time job, etc.), drinker who really wants to be done with it. I read "The End Of My Addiction" and have been trying to do as much self-educating as possible about using Bac. I received my Bac on April 20 and began self-treatment that day. Now, I'm usually VERY tolerant of substances and being my typically over gung-ho self ended up taking 100 mg. the first day on Bac (stupid, I know) and basically my girlfriend was not pleased by my agitated, creepy behavior. Next day I went low dose (like 25 mg.) and have been only titrated up to 50-75 mg. a day since then. One thing that began occurring not long after beginning the Bac was basically constant diarreah preceded by abdominal cramps. Besides the alcohol, my diet is very healthy and includes little meat and a lot of organic veggies. Yesterday, at work, around 1 pm, I noticed that I had broken out into a pretty good case of skin hives. When I got home I could see that they were almost full body, but thankfully, excluding my face. Not itchy or anything and no difficulty breathing, but troubling. Now it is 9 am the next day and they are still there. I just performed my new ritual of "pooping soup", but haven't had any Bac since maybe noon, yesterday. The other symptoms I've had on Bac are basically a little dizziness and such but nothing too bad at the lower divided doses. Anyway, my fear is that I'm actually allergic to the stuff and that my SE won't go away with continued use. Anyone have any ideas? Thank you so much!

[Ne/Neva Eva]

Allergic To Baclofen? I Hope Not.

Hiya, Better. Welcome! I'm about to give you a bit of a lecture...I am wont to do that. don't take it personally. And rest assured I've taken too much, and too little. Still.

hmmm. Dude. come on now. 100mg...then 25mg...then some more...then none.

I'm not sure that you're allergic to bac so much as yowza! to all the rest. It takes time. It's not magic. And there is a protocol, of sorts. Which is about 20mg a week. After starting at about 5mg. There's a lot of flexibility...but not THAT much.

I've read something recently (in a biology textbook and unrelated to baclofen) about rashes that alarmed me...I can't remember what, but I think you might want to have that checked out by a doctor soon-ish.
Really.

Lecture over. Hang in there. If you decide to try this all again, after you've had the rash taken care of, I'll bump some threads for you to read, or you can just peruse around and decide which one might work for you.

[BetterAndBetter]

Allergic To Baclofen? I Hope Not.

Ne/Neva Eva;1308991 wrote: Hiya, Better. Welcome! I'm about to give you a bit of a lecture...I am wont to do that. don't take it personally. And rest assured I've taken too much, and too little. Still.

hmmm. Dude. come on now. 100mg...then 25mg...then some more...then none.

I'm not sure that you're allergic to bac so much as yowza! to all the rest. It takes time. It's not magic. And there is a protocol, of sorts. Which is about 20mg a week. After starting at about 5mg. There's a lot of flexibility...but not THAT much.

I've read something recently (in a biology textbook and unrelated to baclofen) about rashes that alarmed me...I can't remember what, but I think you might want to have that checked out by a doctor soon-ish.
Really.

Lecture over. Hang in there. If you decide to try this all again, after you've had the rash taken care of, I'll bump some threads for you to read, or you can just peruse around and decide which one might work for you.

I appreciate the lecture. I'm here to get better, not protect my pride or anything. Wow! I didn't realize the protocol was that gradual. I was under the impression after reading the Dr's book that he started at 30 mg and went up like 5 mg every 4 days (I suppose, understandably, that he didn't want to be giving medical advice without consultation... a bit confusing, though). By all means, if you have a suggested schedule that has worked for people I would love to hear it. After my experience, I've got plenty of time to let the Bac work. As for the hives, I think I'll be okay, but I really do appreciate the concern. If they get worse my gf will definitely get me to a doc (and kick my arse once I relate to her what you've told me... we men can be dense about these things, ugh. Me caveman.) Once they subside I will reapproach the Bac thing in a MUCH slower and saner way. Thank you, again.

[ifulovelife2]

Allergic To Baclofen? I Hope Not.

Hi B&B

When you say you received your baclofen, am I right in assuming you're self-medicating and purchased the pills online? It could be as simple as teh filler in that particular brand you received. Or it could have been made in a backstreet, unlicensed factory by a bloke who thinks washing his hands after taking a dump is a luxury afforded only to people who make more than a dollar a day. Just a thought. And a rather unpleasant one, at that..

[BetterAndBetter]

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ifulovelife2;1309088 wrote: Hi B&B

When you say you received your baclofen, am I right in assuming you're self-medicating and purchased the pills online? It could be as simple as teh filler in that particular brand you received. Or it could have been made in a backstreet, unlicensed factory by a bloke who thinks washing his hands after taking a dump is a luxury afforded only to people who make more than a dollar a day. Just a thought. And a rather unpleasant one, at that..

I considered that, but I purchased mine through River Pharmacy (Lioresal). It seems that most here consider that "clean". Meant to mention in initial post. I think I've probably just been cavalier in my attitude towards what is obviously a very potent drug... sloppy with dosages (mostly due to lack of knowledge). I'm now thinking that an allergy to Bac is probably not likely after reading about it's relatively short half-life. I had thought that maybe it had built up in my system to some sort of threshold where a rash/hives would manifest themselves. If I were allergic then when I started out at 100 mg on the first day I would have probably broken out, since my subsequent doses were lower? I'm no doctor or scientist, so I'm not sure on that one. I'm fairly certain the "runs" are due to taking too much Bac... corresponded fairly closely with when I began taking it. The rash may be something else. Thanks! This is a great, responsive, group, BTW. Very much appreciate the obvious care here.

I should also add that insomnia was another big SE for me. For 3 days in a row it was like 2-4 hours a night. Reminded me of my old ADD medication days! I quit that stuff 3 years ago and am doing fine without it (learning to meditate, exercise, and good nutrition helped a LOT with that... wish it had with the booze... helped a bit, but that's why I'm here. Just as a tip to anyone out there, regular meditation practice had a fairly quick effect on "the day after" effects of alcohol. I definitely noticed a decrease in "the shakes" and I have been super-conscious of those for a long time, for a reason. I have a diagnosed motion disorder since childhood... Essential Tremor... father, sister and one child have it also...that is one of the reasons I became such a drinker. When I was a kid, I became self-conscious as people were always asking me why I was so nervous. Alcohol is one of the few things that relieves the tremor, but a lot of folks with ET become alcoholics because of the vicious cycle that comes from the exaggerated tremor... combo of ET and withdrawal... on the day after drinking. It used to be really horrible. Sometimes I couldn't even lift a glass of water to my mouth without spilling it. Couldn't feed myself. I'm super grateful that it's subsided a bit.)

[spacebebe01]

Allergic To Baclofen? I Hope Not.

How disturbing life, that has just made me sick, I always assumed that the pills we bought online where proper ones just coming from overseas.

[YouKayBee]

Allergic To Baclofen? I Hope Not.

spacebebe01;1309129 wrote: How disturbing life, that has just made me sick, I always assumed that the pills we bought online where proper ones just coming from overseas.

Yes and no in my opinion. There are no guarantees as far as I'm concerned, however I would assume the well known online pharmacies would supply legit stuff - because sooner or later word would get round if fake.

There was a programme on TV last year saying that customs seize a large number of fake pills ordered via the internet all the time. Don't know if it's scaremongering or true, but there are always counterfeits in all lines of trade which is one reason I chased up and was very keen to get a genuine prescription, from a genuine Dr in the UK.

By the way I had a terrible reaction with antabuse I bought online 8 years or so ago, built up over weeks and I ended up with a rash, aching limbs and having a fit in the Drs surgery - no I hadn't had a drink. Still do not know to this day whether it was my perfume, something in the AB or it was actually something completely different.

[BetterAndBetter]

Allergic To Baclofen? I Hope Not.

spacebebe01;1309129 wrote: How disturbing life, that has just made me sick, I always assumed that the pills we bought online where proper ones just coming from overseas.

IMHO, I don't think that any fillers in the pills made me sick. I also had some "classic" Bac SE from what I've read including noticeable reduced anxiety (which I enjoyed) , so I think it is the real deal. I simply used them irresponsibly and I don't want anyone to become fearful of contaminants for no reason, although it is certainly good to be prudent about what you consume. I also ordered Naltrexone before from River Pharmacy and their customer service was great. I don't think these mainstream pharms see a blemished reputation as a business-enhancing thing. I almost bought the Bac from that dude who was selling it in liquid form before I had a "what the hell am I thinking" moment. There's a BIG difference between an established entity and some cowboy chemist, IMO. I'm doing fine now. Just had to learn a little lesson in caution, patience and a lot more information than I thought I had taken in. Take care of your selves, folks. Keep educating yourselves and sharing your personal experiences the best you can. We're worth it.

[spacebebe01]

Allergic To Baclofen? I Hope Not.

Hi Better, anything that says "not for human consumption" does tend to put me off as well, guess Im just picky that way:H. I have been buying from 4nrx UK and not had a problem but Im now thinking of maybe trying River, I keep on hearing good things about them. Just to see if there is a difference

I have just checked out there website and 300 x 10mg baclofen Lioresal costs $99.99 or ?61.82 thats at River

4nrx uk is Pacifen 300 x 10mg ?39.57 they also give a discount when you are a return customer
Lioresal 300 x 10mg ?243.27


Bloody hell that is a massive difference in price.

and also does anyone know the difference between Lioresal and Pacifen??

[ifulovelife2]

Allergic To Baclofen? I Hope Not.

spacebebe01;1309129 wrote: How disturbing life, that has just made me sick, I always assumed that the pills we bought online where proper ones just coming from overseas.I'm sure they are normally. I remember a case last year of the UK NHS being sold fake drugs and passing them on as real. So it doesn't always matter if you get a prescription or buy online, sometimes you're gonna get stuck with a wrong 'un!

spacebebe01;1309790 wrote:
and also does anyone know the difference between Lioresal and Pacifen??

Yes 203.70 quid, LOL. I've used different makes of baclofen from lots of different companies and I can't tell a difference. Oh and btw, the liquid bac from Virtuous Labs was just as good as any other as far as I'm concerned.

[spacebebe01]

Allergic To Baclofen? I Hope Not.

or buy online, sometimes you're gonna get stuck with a wrong 'un!

as in life

how do you do those quotes for flufcks sake will someone tell me or is a secret

[GingerDust]

Allergic To Baclofen? I Hope Not.

spacebebe01;1309977 wrote:
how do you do those quotes for flufcks sake will someone tell me or is a secret

There is a "Quote" button at the bottom right of every post. If you select it, it quotes the entire post, along with who said it. You can delete whatever text you don't want to respond to.

Also, when you are writing a response to someone, there is a button on the toolbar (where the font is), just to the left of the # button. If you "select" text with your mouse, as though you were going to copy it, and push that button, it also puts whatever text you have selected in a quote.

[spacebebe01]

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[QUOTE=GingerDust;1309983]There is a "Quote" button at the bottom right of every post (just to the right of the "Edit" button). If you select it, it quotes the entire post, along with who said it. You can delete whatever text you don't want to respond to

Like that you mean

[spacebebe01]

Allergic To Baclofen? I Hope Not.

It still dosnt look like yours

[GingerDust]

Allergic To Baclofen? I Hope Not.

That's really close, Space. You can delete any text you don't want, but you don't want to delete the thing that looks like this: [/QUOTE]