Poink's TSM/Bac Attack

[Poink]

Hi all,

Have a thread on another forum with the same title, and will post most of my TSM stuff there. But because I am also going to be using bac, wanted to have a thread here.

I hope that I am going to post a lot here. I have really gotten a lot out of the threads where people wrote prolifically about their journey.

For most of us, our main source of information and support is this site. If there is something I can do to improve it, count me in.

Everyone on this site is a pioneer. We are ahead of where medical science says we should be. We might not be Lewis and Clark, but we are still mountain men.

I could never put into words the debt of gratitude I feel for those who have preceded us and have shared with us their travels and travails.

Dr. Ameisen, Dr. Sinclair, Dr. Eskapa, Roberta Jewell...thank you from the bottom of my heart. I hope that I find a cure , a treatment or a solution. For now, it is sufficient that I have found hope.

Am not going to try to thank individual posters, past or present. There have been too many who have inspired, informed and amused me.

Don't feel that you have to respond to this thread. This is going to be my journal. Any contributions are of course welcome, but I am doing this for those who follow. I might succeed. I might fail. I might crash and burn. I just hope to be of use.

[Poink]

Poink's TSM/Bac Attack

Smoking bac

Started adding bac to naltrexone on Wednesday evening. Took 5mg and then about an hour later took 10mg. Only side effect was a pretty good nights sleep.

Thursday took 5mg in the morning, 5mg around noon and 10mg at night. No side effects except for a pretty good nights sleep.

Friday took 10mg upon awakening. No side effects...for 2 and 1/2 hours. Then...

I haven't smoked pot in 35 years probably. Not much, anyway. Not since I reached legal drinking age. But in high school and just after, in the early 70's,I toked up a lot.

Most of the weed that us highschoolers could afford was low grade mexican stuff. The kind that Cheech and Chong said "wouldn't get a fly high." You could get high on it, but not very. If two or three of you shared a joint you would get a solid low-level buzz but nothing more. You could function, work, drive...whatever. Not like the designer dope that came later. But you were buzzed, and that was cool.

I had taken the bac upon waking because I had read (somewhere) that the effect was greatest about 1 1/2 hours after ingestion. I would be starting my hour long commute at the 2 1/2 hour mark so was playing it safe. But...


At almost exactly the 2 1/2 hour mark, I had sudden onset stoned. Immediate. A little scary because it came on so fast and was worried it was going to increase.

Instead, for the next hour I was lightly, but pleasantly, stoned. I was thinking that this might be a very enjoyable SE. Just over an hour after it "hit", it was gone.

About three hours later I did another 10mg. Was braced for another high a couple of hours later....but nothing. No noticable effect.

Now, a few hours later, have done another 20mg. Nothing in the first hour, but am hoping for another good night of sleep.

So....two noticable side effects so far: better sleep, and an hour of nostalgia.

Can't wait for tomorrow.

[Poink]

Poink's TSM/Bac Attack

Unscheduled titration schedule

Have done lots of researching, readIng and worrying about titration. Altho right now I only plan to go up to about 60-75mg and stay there, I hate SEs of any sort ( I thought) and had been planning to be very cautious and very slow.

And if I ever decide to do HDB, will probably do that.

But I have read several times on this forum (sorry to the OPs I can't remember where) that the main consideration is...LISTEN TO YOUR BODY.

And right now my body is saying "No worries, mate". Which is weird because I live in the southern USA.

At any rate:

5/16- 15 mg evening
5/17- 5mg morning, 5mg noon, 10mg evening.
5/18- 10mg morning, 10mg noon, 20mg evening.

My plan for 5/19 right now is 10mg morning, 10mg noon, 10mg afternoon, 10 or 20mg evening. Will see how it goes. Have three days off and time to crash if needed.

I am not recommending anything. I am simply reporting, and in this case speculating.

I also don't feel like this is reckless. Have read nothing that would indicate there was any danger involved. And it's not like I'm proposing to pull a Lo0p. Just a little faster than normal.

And there was a 12 week study where one group was at 60mg (20mg tid). I don't know how fast the titration was but in a 12 week study I would think it would be pretty fast.

Buckle up chillens....we goin for a ride.

[COSGringo]

Poink's TSM/Bac Attack

Take your time with it. It took me months. I think it has finally worked for me. I'm at 230 spread out over 4 doses.
I cooked up some T Bones tonight. Decided to break my AF with a nice bottle of bordeaux. I decanted it, the whole deal. I only had one glass and it did not appeal to me like it once would of. Really odd for me since I love wine with a good meal.
I think I made it.
Stick with it Poink. You may have to go through hell to get there but it's worth it in the end.

[Poink]

Poink's TSM/Bac Attack

Damn! I hope so COS. Have thoroughly enjoyed your posts. And your personality. You deserve this.

[spacebebe01]

Poink's TSM/Bac Attack

From what I have learned being on here is that consistency is the thing that seems to make the difference between succeeding with bac or not. I have to ask you why you change you dose so often. Bac takes time to work at its best and its not just about how you feel on a day. Thats just how Ive found it anyway

Your doing well and reading and posting lots really helps Ive found

[Poink]

Poink's TSM/Bac Attack

Hi Space,

Consistency is my goal. I am planning to get to a low/medium level and stay there for some time. This is only my 3rd full day so am feeling it out. When (if) the negatives hit I will back down.

I kinda keep up with you Space by reading a couple of threads I don't post on but enjoy reading. Thanks for dropping in.

[Ne/Neva Eva]

Poink's TSM/Bac Attack

Hiya, Poink!
Glad you're consolidating.

Sometimes those negatives can really bite you in the butt. Make sure you're ready to bite back. :H

Congrats on the start! If I had to do it all over again ( forbid) I used to think I would have done TSM and bac together.

Which other forum are you participating on? Unless that's some sort of state secret. I have only ever been involved in anything like this here at MWO and a bit at another now-defunct (I think?) bac website. The whole thing is fascinating. I am sometimes tempted to explore other places. Then I remember that I'd like to leave the house occasionally. I don't do video games for the same reason. Anyhoo...I should be disco-packing. Carry on!

And, um, jkttdp.

[spacebebe01]

Poink's TSM/Bac Attack

Disco-packing??? sounds intersting

[Poink]

Poink's TSM/Bac Attack

It's [url=http://www.thesinclairmethod.com/community/index.php] A site with a pretty small group of active posters but a lot of love. Almost every poster is doing TSM, a few of us adding bac into the mix. Some of the people on MWO also post there, and some who are here or have been here left that site when TSM didn't work for them.

Just like on MWO, there are some tragic stories of people failing, but there are also some really encouraging stories of people succeeding. Like here, it's hard to tell how well something is working because most of the successful people move on. I love the ones who have regained control and continue to post and to encourage others.

But yeah, keeping up on both forums takes a lot of time. It may be like in (American) football. They say that a team with two quarterbacks really has no quarterback. But right now, I have two forums.

[Poink]

Poink's TSM/Bac Attack

Okay, so I screwed that up. Anyway, it's thesinclairmethod.com.

[spacebebe01]

Poink's TSM/Bac Attack

Hi Poink, can you put your naltrexone TSM stuff on here as well, it could help peeps who are doing it or thinking about it. I mean just tell us when and how much your taking and what effect its having.

[spacebebe01]

Poink's TSM/Bac Attack

I used to use another forum as well, but havent bothered with it for a long time, I just found my home here and didnt get the support or help on the other one like I do here.

[Poink]

Poink's TSM/Bac Attack

It's mostly an incredible group of people over there. I am enjoying getting to know them.

I stay on MWO a lot because when I was looking online for some way to save my life, it was this place that I found. The amount of information (and misinformation) on this site is amazing.

I'm a lot like Elton John's Rocket Man in that "All of this science I don't understand". Because I truly believe that, with a couple of notable exceptions, medical science has failed us to this point, I have to turn to other drunks and see what is working (or not) for them.

I don't really watch TV or read books anymore...I am reading, reading, reading on a few forums and following the progress of quite a few people that, weirdly, have come to be very important to me. Some of them had left the site before I found it but that doesn't matter. Their stories, their courage, their wit...something touched me.

I have never been one to post very much anywhere. I was a taker, but am trying to become a giver. Because I would much rather isolate than participate, I don't know how long I can keep this up, but for right now it's working for me.

[spacebebe01]

Poink's TSM/Bac Attack

I hope you do carry on posting its great to hear what and how you are doing