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[ryrye]

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so ... did you guys go see the doc? How did it go?

[Ne/Neva Eva]

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I agree, Joe. I forgot for a moment how hard it must be for you and I'm sorry for that. Very sorry, in fact.

Still, the fact that there is acknowledgement on her part, and effort too, is a really big step. Nothing happens without that. Plus it indicates hope! For both of you!

Fingers crossed that all goes smoothly today. I have no doubt there will be answers to questions and comfort in meeting a real human being involved with all this. I know it helped me immensely!

[joethelion]

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So, the doctor we saw is your typical conservative addiction specialist in some ways -btw I think he`s very good-, and he`s not sure about the `switch`; as I understood he thinks there`s no certain `switch` point, but it`s more about maintenance overall. He won`t go over 100mgs (says Dr.A was drinking very heavily when he became indifferent, hence the 270mgs), but still believes in baclofen and uses it for his patients. Says 70 is a good dose, as in emergency you can always add the extra 20-30mgs. He doesn`t advise moderation now, maybe after some success with abstinence or maybe one glass once per month.

My wife is doing great btw, I even offered her to exchange the saturday for tuesday (we were having a nice dinner), but she said no. We`ve even been to the movies (no alcohol !!) for the first time in 12 years

Even though I know there may (and possibly will) be setbacks, I`m still happy, as I saw that this is possible after all. And maybe the most important thing; there are no cravings at all ! None !! This possibly means nal possibly worked, and bac is definitely working. For now I think there`s no need to push for the `switch`, but in case that`ll be necessary, we can go for it in the future.

[Ne/Neva Eva]

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That's so great that you have medical support! And, boy, does that sound promising. I'm very excited for you and it seems as though you have really good reason to be optimistic. I would be! Plus I believe in optimism...It's so much more positive than pessimism.

The switch is in some ways a misnomer. Don't get me wrong, I'm very glad I took what I took and reached the place that I am completely indifferent to alcohol, but it makes sense that not everyone wants or needs to do that.
I would add that there is pretty convincing anecdotal evidence that ~140mg is a really good place for a lot of people. I mention that to you, specifically, because if she gets to the point where 100mg isn't working as well as you might hope, it might be something to keep in mind. (I wouldn't necessarily mention this to her, if she were the one posting, for several reasons...But you might be able to store that away in case you need it.)

And not drinking is the point...So I completely understand why doctors think it's a ridiculous idea to drink. Right? :H

Keep us posted!

[joethelion]

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Today was supposed to be her drinking day (2 glasses on weekends), but she told me she wouldn`t drink, because last night the wine didn`t taste good at all !! It sounds too good to be true and it might as well be a reaction to what she`s been through, but this still resembles `indifference` a little. Very possibly 70mgs (we`ve been upto 90 and then back to 70 within the 2 months while we`ve been taking bac) is a rather low dose for such a good result, but I`m still not sure, also considering that she`s been on TSM for the last 11 months (especially now that she sticks to the 1 hour rule).

Crossing fingers

[Ne/Neva Eva]

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Sounds like you're on the other side Joe. Woop it up a little bit! :H

[joethelion]

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Ne/Neva Eva;1353452 wrote: Sounds like you're on the other side Joe. Woop it up a little bit! :H

WOOOOHOOOOOOOOOO! (quoting you again from a few posts ago )

2 months after last post, and things got only better. We drink if we go out and decide to drink (like once or twice a month), zero cravings for her, she has the power to decide, and everything is just great.

Still crossing fingers of course, but I wanted to update because I remember how this forum kept me going when it was all so difficult, how I found much needed hope from others` success stories. So if someone needing hope is reading this, just hang in there..

[Tipplerette]

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This was a truly touching story. Thanks Joe and the rest... xoxo

[spacebebe01]

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Thanks Joe for coming back on to tell us of your wifes success story, it makes such a difference to hear of people who are doing well.

I am happy for both you and your wife and may both your happiness and health grow in the future

[redhead77]

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Joe, I hope I didn't miss you. Did your wife go any higher on the bac? Higher than 90? What do you attribute the success to be from? Bac or Nal or both? I'm very happy to read you're both free. Congratulations!

[joethelion]

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Red, thank you

Honestly I was a bit surprised that we never went over 90. For example I am at 70 now and have some cravings (I feel could easily go back to daily drinking, though not heavily- if I were more relaxed), but she doesn`t.

I personally believe that nal was effective from several months after we started. Both nal and bac had some obvious effects. After nal, she stopped drinking till morning, and after bac she told me she didn`t have any cravings any more, but just didn`t want to stop.

It seems she needed some motivation to break the vicious circle (which was our intervention). Btw, she also hadn`t drunk anything during her pregnancies, but I think it would be naive to think she just `snapped out of it` (like she says sometimes) ! If this thing has any relation to brain chemistry -which I don`t doubt- definitely nal and/or bac helped. I will never forget the pitiful looks on the eyes of several doctors we visited. No one believed she would get well again.

[redhead77]

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Thanks for filling me in. I think that can be the hard part. Breaking the vicious cycle, but gratefully, and with your help, she did it. I didn't drink during my pregnancies either. I wasn't an alcoholic for the first two (but I did binge drink, so I guess it's how you look at it). I started drinking very heavily in the year before I conceived my daughter. I was able to stop too. I don't know what it is about being pregnant. In a way, I think I did snap out of it. I just visualized my baby having fetal alcohol syndrome and it was enough. For some women, the impact of being pregnant can be huge...but not for all. I think it depends on many factors.

Anyway, congrats again, Joe. You deserve a big pat on the back for being so proactive for your wife. :l

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