Giving up....in a good way!

[NoraC]

Giving up....in a good way!

Hey......sounds like everyone is keeping on. :goodjob: I've been really busy & haven't been able to check in much. But, really glad that you've got a good Dr. Taw. So important. Glad that you're being careful and noticing that the AB could head you towards ED. I would try half a pill a day first instead of skipping days. See, if that does better for you. When I start skipping days of taking the AB is when I start running into problems. All of a sudden, I'll realize that I've missed several days and then boom, my brain starts playing games again.

[spacebebe01]

Giving up....in a good way!

Just want to say hello and your doing great TAW, I also have had times of eating problems, and can see some of those old patterns reapearing. You could try taking half a tablet a day, I know when I started taking tablets every other day that was when my problems with it started as I would forget to take it then the next thing I didnt know how long it was and ended up drinking. That was the first time I tried it and it worked really well for me, since then not so good. Do you have something to eat when you take it, maybe that would help. I do hope this sorts itself out because you are doing so bloody brilliant.

[Bruunhilde]

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ifulovelife2;1359857 wrote: I'm sorry to say I haven't read back on the juicer discussion:blush:, so I'm not sure what benefits you're all looking for but benefits there most certainly were. It was a good dozen years ago I brought a book called "Super Juicing". The recipes were very interesting: different ones for alertness, energy, relaxation etc. What I actually found was they all gave me a major short-lived buzz and an all day feeling of happiness. But as I say, cleaning the thing was a pain in the arse, so I dumped it and just drank more booze instead. :upset:

LOL :H

Hey everyone! Thanks for the feedback on juicing, very funny post Murph. The cheap ass juicer I bought is easy clean. Yes, true. At least compared to what I've heard. All you do is remove the parts and I remove the pulp with my hands or a spoon to a bowl and throw it in the garden, and rinse that part and the lid and the pusher. Then I use the little brush to remove the microscopics bits from the metal thing with the tiny grates. It all takes about two minutes. I would not use the darn thing is cleaning was an issue, I'm too lazy. What kind of stuff did you juice to get the buzz and how much of it did you drink M?

Taw, juicing has a laxitive effect for some people, you're supposed to start slow. AB has a laxative effect too, but so does too much wine for me. AB is powerful enough that I can't take a whole pill and expect to be out and about in the next 18 hours.

Try taking 3 grams a day of fish oil for energy, and a b complex on top of the multi.

[spacebebe01]

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I bought a juicer of ebay for around ?8.00 that was with the postage and its ok, easy to clean too just remove the pulp then soak the grater thing and use a brush to get the bits out, the rest is just plastic that needs wiping over.

I couldnt be arsed with it tho, its expensive to buy all the fresh stuff and I dont get how much of the food you throw away, all the pulp is good for you surely and it seems mad to buy it just to throw it in the garden.

[NoraC]

Giving up....in a good way!

What type of multi-vitamin are you taking Bruun? I'm trying to find a good vitamin. Still haven't done any juicing though.

[Bruunhilde]

Giving up....in a good way!

I don't have a good multi but I have found a couple of good B's at the healthfood stores. Not sure the brand but I have more energy and hair when I take them. Also omega 3 helps with these.

I'm actually counting on the juicing to be my new multi although now that I think about it I'm sure its missing alot of tiny bits of stuff I need. What bits those are I don't know.

[Ne/Neva Eva]

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All One is what was recommended around here so frequently that I finally ordered it and try to remember to use it.
But if you try it, try the rice-based one, because I understand the other one is really nasty tasting.

Do they actually make juicers that don't have the super-fine mesh screen that has to be cleaned for 6 1/2 days after each use? Because that would almost be worth a lot of money. Except that I agree with Space. It is painful to throw away the pulp from $100 worth of veggies, knowing full well a lot of the goodness and nutrition is in the skin and the flesh. And my dog won't eat it. I tried. (If I fried it in bacon fat, she'd probably eat a bit of that. In general, though, if we put veggies in any recognizable form in her bowl she picks them out and sets them aside. In a neat little pile! Really.)

[spacebebe01]

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My dogs wont eat it either and they also leave their veggies in a pile at the side of the bowl, it must be a dog thing to pile up veggies nice and neat to wait for the veggie fairy to come and change them for a nice big chop.

[harry]

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Hi

"AB has a laxative effect too, but so does too much wine for me. AB is powerful enough that I can't take a whole pill and expect to be out and about in the next 18 hours."


What is AB?

[taw]

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HEY!!! So I did some experimenting the last couple days....It is not totally the AB!! It is a little bit, but more than the AB is the milk I was taking it with!! PHEW!!! Which actually my doc told me to drink the soy milk because it has more calcium and protein. It is just way more expensive!

Yea, gonna wait on the juicing....I need to learn to EAT before I start drinking my calories, even in a good way!

Ah crap! Boss is bellowing...thanks all for chiming in and making me feel so much better!!!

[Ne/Neva Eva]

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Hey, Taw. That's so great that you figured it out!

I don't usually weigh in on (pun intended) diet/weight things because like you, Taw, I simply don't eat. Or I load up on junk--usually chocolate--when I'm so hungry I'm faint. Which means I've always been fairly thin even when I was layered in fat.

Anyway, I figured out finally (!) that I needed to stop worrying about all of the stuff I couldn't/shouldn't eat. I figured out that I just needed to EAT. Even if that meant that I ate an inordinate amount of peanut MnMs (protein!?) and a bunch of calories from other stuff. 'cause it was very likely that the next day I might eat very few calories, and all of them from chocolate.
I bring this up because there is good reason to be cautious about soy products, Taw. But the reality is, it'll take more than a bit, over a while, to kerfuffle things up. And I didn't have a while when I was getting happily sober. I needed food Right Now. (still do.) And sometimes I look in the fridge and I think, "I can't eat dairy. Or wheat. Or gluten. Or animals. Or fat. blah, blah, blah."
Then when I can't take another minute, I eat a pint (or two) of Haagen Dazs. 'cause that's how I roll. (might be literally if I kept it up and didn't exercise! :H)

Which brings me to another thing: My weight actually stays the same or goes up when I'm fit. The amount of fat on my body (as indicated by my clothes) and my mood are directly related to how much I exercise. And vice versa.
I tried on bras yesterday in my size and there was a roll over the top in the back. I guess my old ones are so old and stretched that I hadn't noticed. :H Needless to say I went for a run (meaning I jogged for literally about 2 minutes and then walked the rest of the 15 minutes) this morning.

You sound chipper, Taw! Happy Monday! Hope it's a good day!

[Ne/Neva Eva]

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One last thing:
If someone could explain to me why it is that I KNOW this, have lived it, and experienced it, and still don't DO it (or stop doing it) I would really appreciate it.

[taw]

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Thanks Ne!! Um.....old habits die hard, it the only reasoning I can come up with!

I have the same thought process on the peanut M&M's!! I may not eat a lot, or eat healthy, but I am all for snacking! Especially on things I shouldn't!

But, walking and jogging really make me feel better! And thanks for the reminder that some weight gain will come with gaining muscle!!

Hugs all around! I am feeling very chipper today!!

[StuckinLA]

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Oh NE, darling, your last post could stand alone as the :welcome: sign for this whole forum.

Peanut M&Ms!? Those were my lifeline when I woke in panics, right there on the nightstand next to the pack o' smokes. And in the afternoons, and pretty much whenever. They must be like alcoholic catnip.

But yeah, Taw, just get calories. Not up to date at all on the hippy alterna-eating stuff, but if I remember correctly almond milk is a good alternative to soy. (Let the militants rain down thunderous insults and corrections if I'm mistaken :upset:.) (Oh, and :H.) Juicing, shakes, steak sandwiches, whatever. Just not McD's.

As to the endless repetition, NE, that's a really, really good question. If I may put my professor hat on for a moment (God, now I wish I really did have a professor hat, that would be spectacular), I'll advance a theory. We say we want to get rid of our symptoms.

We go into therapy, or read new age-y books, or make Google our bitch, make deals with Satan, or cry to the heavens. Please, can someone/thing/anything take this symptom away from me. But that's false. In the end, when literally everything else is falling apart, we cling even more steadfastly to our symptom. Because it can define us--if nothing else, at least I am that which needs to do X. A lot of people have a real hard time coming to terms with being alcoholic. I took right to it--at least I am that which has this disease. And this all comes about because Desire is never our own, and we can't get out of desire. Even the desire to not desire is itself a desire. So a symptom is a way of unconsciously structuring the world around us, of the unconscious railing against the big Other, I at least choose this! Which only works for so long...

More Lacanian psychoanalysis in our next lesson :H Even though I'm certain you'll come back before then to tell me, in great detail, the ways in which Lacan is full of sh-t. And he'd agree with you!

[StuckinLA]

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Oh yes, and keep rocking on, Taw! Loving the chipperness.