Fred's Bac Thread

[Anjali]

Fred's Bac Thread

We seem to have alot in common Fred.
It seems a good idea to make a log to hold oneself accountable. I've never taken abilify but I went and checked 4rx and it certainly is cheaper generic from India.
30 Tab(s) 15mg $0.83 $25.00
90 Tab(s) 15mg $0.79 $71.00
180 Tab(s) 15mg $0.77 $139.00
30 Tab(s) 20mg $1.03 $31.00
90 Tab(s) 20mg $0.99 $89.00
180 Tab(s) 20mg $0.94 $169.00 FREE Shipping!
30 Tab(s) 30mg $1.57 $47.00
90 Tab(s) 30mg $1.49 $134.00
180 Tab(s) 30mg $1.38 $249.00

Lord knows how good it is but they seem to have a decent reputation.

I took some medications and they made me worse off so I quit everything and now just adding baclofen to my high blood pressure medication and a betablocker. Which blocks adrenaline- that helps anxiety but Im going to go off that as I increase baclofen.
Yesterday, my first day of baclofen I took 80 mg total in 4 divided doses. Didnt drink (for the first time in a long time). It kicked my butt yesterday. But today I drank coffee and was much better. The funny thing is. Prior to baclofen, if I drank coffee on day 2 of sobering up. I would have panic attack after panic attack. But nothing and 80mg just made me not want to drink here on day 2.
Good luck and look forward to more of your posts, they are interesting and relatable

[Fred_The_Cat]

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Anjali,

Thank you thank you THANK YOU for referring me to the Indian pharmaceuticals. I have my order in right now.

[Anjali]

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Fred_The_Cat;1386684 wrote: Anjali,

Thank you thank you THANK YOU for referring me to the Indian pharmaceuticals. I have my order in right now.

No problemo, theyve been around for like a decade and was a sponsor on a different board. Ive ordered stuff from them and it always, always was legit and never heard a member complain.
They dont sell controlled substances.

I order my liquid baclofen from I think its liquidbaclofen.com
It's faster and cheaper than 4rx
err maybe its phoenixresearchlabs.com

Either way, 4rx has a pretty good real world reputation and like 75% of the world's pharmaceuticals are manufactured there then imported to the US Canada and Europe.

Let us know ur feedback on your order. Hopefully it saves u a ton of money like cymbalta did for moi

[Fred_The_Cat]

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10-2-12 75 mg bac, 5 beers, 0 exercise

The psychosis was so intense that I pounded 5 beers to pass out and make it stop. Nothing much to say here.

10-3-12 75 mg bac, 0 drinks, 0 exercise

Drinking the previous night was a BAD idea. Nothing aggravates a psychotic state worse than a hangover, and I spent the day hiding in my cubicle not getting much done. I also took all 75 mg of bac first thing in the morning, which was another mistake. It made me pass out after taking it at 4:00 am and I was late for work and woozy throughout the day. Since I'm taking 25 mg X 3 I'm going to try to space the doses out throughout the day.

I also seem to have hit a wall with baclofen at 75 mg. I could tolerate 50 just fine, but stepping up the dosage really slammed me all at once. If spacing out the doses doesn't help I might cut back to 60 and hang out there for a bit.

[Anjali]

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Reggie;1387295 wrote: Anjali :welcome:mmmm..raised eye brow.... how did you come about this web site for liquid baclofen? Just wondering.

Hope things are getting better for you Fred.

I shall give you the answer I gave an indian friend today as I cannot seem to login to chat

My name is Anjali, it is a name of "divine offering" or "offering". More of an expression of hope and devotion rather than an expression of race or creed. The seeds of all mankind lie in the teachings of Indian philosophers though I claim no relation

The hymns of the Rig Veda are addressed to a huge collection of devas, or gods; however, there are several references to a single god or single principle which is the source or the totality of all other divinities and phenomenon in the universe; this is an early attempt in Hinduism to unify the many into the one. This single, originary divinity that is sometimes the combination of all the gods put together, the Vishvadevas , or "Allgods ." Sometimes this single divinity or principle is a concrete, active force, such as the World Maker (Vishvakarman : "All-maker "), or it's highly abstract, such as Rita, or cosmic order, an idea similar in some respects (but different in others) to the Chinese concept of the Tao or the Great Ultimate.

Upanishad literature tended to talk about this unitary or single divinity, power, or principle to the exclusion of all other gods, so that philosophically Indian thought during the Upanishad period moved towards many of the same conclusions as Promenades and the Elliptic philosophers did in ancient Greece. This single, unitary divinity had several aspects and names in the Upanishads, two of the most important are Atman, "Universal Spirit," and Brahman. The word "Brahman" in Sanskrit originally meant "power" and specifically referred to the power of prayer or sacrifice to bring about material change in the world (hence the word Brahmin for priest); so that Brahman seems to refer to the power that brings about and changes the physical universe. In the Upanishads, Brahman is not only the principle and creator of all there is, but is also the sum totality of the universe and its phenomena.



This dual nature of the single divinity or totality of the universe, Brahman and Atman gets worked out in the following way. Brahman can be located both in the physical, external world and also in the spiritual and inner world where it is present as Atman, "universal spirit." Now every human being has an undying soul (atman) which, because of samsara, lasts through eternity from life to life; this undying atman is a microcosm of Atman, the universal spirit, which is identical to Brahman. By understanding your true Self, by coming to know one's own undying soul, one then arrives at the knowledge of Brahman itself; the key to understanding the nature of the one unitary principle of the universe is to see one's (undying) self as identical with Brahman: "aham asmi Brahman": I am Brahman.


Here's the equation: Brahman=Atman=atman. Brahman is the totality of the universe as it is present outside of you; Atman is the totality of the universe as it is present within you; Brahman is the totality of the world known objectively, Atman is the totality of the world known subjectively. This equation fundamentally underlies the whole of Krishna's teachings concerning dharma in the Baghavad Gita. In the later development of Hinduism, Brahman would become one aspect of a triune god and would represent the creation aspects of that god.

I hope Reggie that you find peace and wisdom and divinity in your travels

[Anjali]

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Reggie;1387315 wrote: OK thanks i hope I do too and wish the same to you but your post doesnt answer my question in post number 19.

Thanks Anjali

Oh that was from the anxiety board a year or two ago posters used it to point of annoyance to where I broke down and giving it a try.
As far as I can tell, there are like 2 dozen places to get liquid baclofen from and 5 dozen places to get pill baclofen
Correct me if I am wrong on that

[Fred_The_Cat]

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10-4-12 75 mg bac, 1 beer, 0 exercise

The abilify started kicking in and the psychosis started to wane.

10-5-12 0 mg bac, 3 beers, 0 exercise

This is the first day in a week I've felt normal, and sadly, my temporary supply of abilify is almost out. It looks like I will have to get gouged again before getting a hold of cheaper meds.

If there is one thing that I must absolutely stress it is this: never, ever EVER stop taking an antipsychotic cold turkey. Not taking it has temporarily wrecked my exercise plans and has caused me to drink more than I planned on.

[Warnie]

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gidday. like your exercise idea fred. you gotta give away all them pills and lace up the running shoes and run. run and keep running. psych pills ya might need but fuck the booze off and all the other shit and run. then ya got a chance buddy. good luck

warnie

[Fred_The_Cat]

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Although I haven't been keeping up on exercise, my weekly averages are looking good.

Week 1: 15.75 drinks, average 1.97 per day

Week 2: 17 drinks, average 2.4 per day

A month ago I was easily capable of downing this much in a span of 2-3 days. A year ago I tried moderating with the goal of a "safe" drinking level in mind but utterly failed.

I am totally speechless as to how easy Bac has made this.

[Greg]

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That's great to hear. If you're able to moderate like this, that is a better result than most/nearly all uncontrolled drinkers can enjoy. I have seldom been able to control my drinking, and it is basically a choice of either sobriety or uncontrolled drinking for me these days.

Some people on here seem to dislike medication use, but my honest advice about that would be to keep on taking those medications that are helping you safely. Both Abilify and baclofen sound helpful to you, and I hope you are able to afford to keep taking them.

[Fred_The_Cat]

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Greg,

If I remember correctly, you tried baclofen but it didn't work for you?

I'd recommend baclofen to anyone. It destroys the state of extreme distress brought on by not drinking. A year ago I tried AA and abstinence. The first three days were hell, then I felt good for about a week not drinking. However, it only took one bad day at work to land me in an extreme state of distress that only a drink could deliver me from.

That is what is great about Bac, sobriety/moderation go from being an active struggle to a normal state.

[Colin]

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Very interesting Fred. I'm curious as to how you progress. If I experience a moment when alcohol becomes irrelevant how am I to recognise that moment? Your recent ability to regularly drink a couple a day will do perfectly well for me. I wish you well.

[Greg]

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Fred_The_Cat;1388830 wrote: Greg,

If I remember correctly, you tried baclofen but it didn't work for you?

I'd recommend baclofen to anyone. It destroys the state of extreme distress brought on by not drinking. A year ago I tried AA and abstinence. The first three days were hell, then I felt good for about a week not drinking. However, it only took one bad day at work to land me in an extreme state of distress that only a drink could deliver me from.

That is what is great about Bac, sobriety/moderation go from being an active struggle to a normal state.

Hi Fred,

I have probably not been very clear about my baclofen experiences. Baclofen has reduced cravings for me in low-medium doses, it's just that I have had trouble tolerating the very high doses people here are using. Insomnia is the main problem for me. The lower doses I have used have definitely been helpful to me, although this has only been while not drinking at all. I don't know what the result would be if I took it while still drinking.

I am currently sober and (thankfully) not having severe cravings. I have only been sober again for a month, but if I start getting more serious cravings, I still have plenty of baclofen to use at low-medium doses and I will certainly use it if needed. I am fortunate that, at present, mirtazapine and oxcarbazepine (Trileptal) have been reducing my cravings and also helping me stay off benzodiazepines (although recently my benzo doses have only been low, e.g. 5 mg Valium per day).

I have already recommended bac to two of my friends who drink very heavily every day, and who have tried all the other treatments for alcoholism. They remain skeptical unfortunately, but one guy is now on 30 mg per day as prescribed by his doctor and he says it is helping him avoid massive alcohol binges.

I have been glad to read your story, and I hope your success continues.

[Fred_The_Cat]

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I apologize for my shoddy record keeping. In short, I believe that I have hit the switch at 125 mg. The past week I have had no interest in alcohol and drink beer out of habit/boredom, but I rarely finish them. I thought this would be some rapturous experience, but I honestly feel a bit underwhelmed and kind of bored with sobriety.

I will probably keep this thread going as a record of my life management, but I can no longer live up to the promise of detailed records.

[Colin]

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Derek and Clive Live.

"I honestly feel a bit underwhelmed and kind of bored with sobriety." from Fred's last post.

This is a danger I anticipate. I certainly enjoyed Derek and Clive much more when hearing them when I was half-drunk or at least well on the way. Derek and Clive were also well on the way when the original recordings were made.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PpxJu4uJff4[/video]]DEREK & CLIVE. THE WORST JOB I EVER HAD. - YouTube is a great example of humour that is definitely better enjoyed with a big bunch of beers already down the hatch.