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[soberwannabe]

SWB - Long Live Sobriety and BAC!

Ha..

I found a new name for me beside Sober Wanna Be (SWB) .. Sobriety With Baclofen.. hmm I like it..

[StuckinLA]

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What Lo0p has is liquid for research purposes. No prescription, no insurance coverage. It's not meant for human use, but hey we're all guinea pigs in a way. And from what I understand it's just a few drops under the tongue. You'd need an accurate dropper, given that it's like 40mg/ml.

[soberwannabe]

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Excellent News!

[Ne/Neva Eva]

SWB - Long Live Sobriety and BAC!

I get my script filled at Rite Aid. It costs me $10. Mine is for 210 20mg pills. Ed's is for 270 20mg pills.
I also get a script filled at Walgreens without claiming it on my insurance. It's about $75 for the same amount of pills.

[Lo0p]

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No, you just get your monkey to swallow it, which is easy because it has a sweet flavor (glycerin). :H

$75 gets you how many pills at Walgreens? At mine in Sacramento, and every other pharmacy around here (rite-aid, walmart, cvs) it would get me about 75 pills. I swear I remember two years ago at the pharmacies it was much cheaper.

I found a local pharmacist up in the hills by my parents house who knew I was broke because I got my pills paid for by the county (I was considered "indigent", no joke) until I got a job. I told him I made just enough money to lose my benefits. He was very compassionate and took it down to where I know he was making no profit. I got Teva baclofen from him as cheap as liquid bac goes for (5 cents/20mg).

He, along with so many other people, have been very, very helpful in me getting to where I am now. 3 years...wow...

[Lo0p]

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StuckinLA;1426063 wrote: What Lo0p has is liquid for research purposes. No prescription, no insurance coverage. It's not meant for human use, but hey we're all guinea pigs in a way. And from what I understand it's just a few drops under the tongue. You'd need an accurate dropper, given that it's like 40mg/ml.

A dispensing syringe much like what you get for pediatric or veterinary formulations, that measures 3 ml accurately (or any increment up to that, 1, 2 1/2, etc.) comes with every bottle.

I sound like a salesman, makes me cringe a lil' bit. Just trying to clear up misconceptions. I guess I am one now, it's just not what it feels like to me. Profit is only my secondary motivation. I've been through all these hoops. Notorious ol' Bill's liquid baclofen simply was the best and cheapest out there. Until he got sick.

When he was leaving the country for bigger and better things he called me because I was the only person that he could think of to carry on "his dream". To provide anyone who needed it with the highest quality, dirt cheap baclofen. Money was secondary. He did it because he worked in a cardiology office, and there was a man who was dying of alcoholism, wanted out, and he knew how to save his life. He told my mom and I the story:

"I had a bottle of baclofen in my coat, I wanted to give it to him but I couldn't because it would put my license in jeopardy. I told my boss [the cardiologist whom he worked with intimately and knew every detail about Bill, his alcoholism and baclofen] an he reached out to the other MD's and asked "who here can prescribe baclofen to this man?" because he couldn't. That was the last time we saw him"

And he showed us the newspaper article, picture and all, of the man that inspired him to start making liquid baclofen.

I was recovering from my hand being paralyzed and trying to live on unemployment (unsuccessfully) and he called me. I didn't have a dime. My parents didn't either. I told my sister, whom I live with and then I think my mom called me. She pretty much "made it happen". Her and my dad grilled me about every aspect. How to make it, the legality, the logistics of it all and I just knew all of it already. She said "we're going Monday." It was like a slap in the face...then it became my dream. Bill was leaving the country 1 week to the day after we had the equipment and supplies loaded to be transported via commercial truck from Oregon to California.

I owe her much more than a chunk of change. She saw what baclofen did to me. I was under her roof when I went from being a suicidal alcoholic to sleeping peacefully in the pantry where they could now store wine (my DOC) 5 feet from my pillow without ever even thinking about actually drinking it. She knows the whole story. Together, we used to watch nervously the tracking information getting updated trying to get baclofen from India, Germany or wherever. "Inbound into customs"...waiting...waiting... Ughh.

She knows it'll take a lot more than a decent study out of U of Amsterdam before American doctors will turn their heads.

We talked about everyone's story and journey together. I used to read them to her. She tells anyone who'll listen.

The day after I woke up with my hand paralyzed we went for a car ride together. She couldn't help me at all. "You're dad won't have a job after Dec 31st and we're going to have to file Chapter 7". And not in a good "fresh start" kind of way.

That's why I didn't bring it up to her when Bill made me the offer to carry it on. It was going to take a significant initial investment.

She called me.

If it weren't for her I wouldn't be able to do this for us all. :h I haven't asked her where she scraped up the resources for this. I'm sure it came from whatever she's trying to stash away for her and my dad. She did it for me, and for you.

[Lo0p]

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My laboratory right now is set up in the store that her and her sister (my aunt) ran for 10 years together, before she was killed by a drunk driver. It's been closed since then. It's on the same property as my parents house.

It's open now, in a different sense I guess. But it makes sense to me. I haven't really talked to her about it, but I'm sure it make sense to her too. Until the bank man comes to take it away that is...:H

[Xadrian]

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I really had to brush aside some tears to read your story, Lo0p.
Heartbreaking heavy stuff.

[soberwannabe]

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Lo0p, you're story is a powerful one, in a very good and amazing way.

I am sold, and no, you don't have to be a salesman to sell, we all know that. Promoting something you believe in AND benefits people is more powerful than the s* word!

Thanks for making my day and putting life in perspective. I woke up in a pissy ass mood today.

My daughter plays division 1 soccer (will most likely get scholarship to college if she keeps her grades up). She's playing with her HS team and these yahoo girls that play rugby instead of soccer make it their mission to take her out. She's not big, she's fast and her skills are phenom! Last night when I picked her up she could barely walk off the field. swollen lip, blood everywhere, huge bruises on her legs, scrapes. OMG.

Thank God her teeth are ok and no mcl or acl injuries, no broken bones.

Anyway, since I moved to 85 mg, the sleep SE's have kicked in go to sleep but wake up every 2 hours. My legs are hurting and I feel like I'm a pill popper now. My life is tied to this regimen, poor me, blah blah blah.. trying to do all this alone.. Violins please

I know, I know .. I've been up since 5:30 am, the mornings start early with the kids. Work meetings start at 7:30. First chance now to write.

Geez.. F'ing alcoholic mind working but without the craving .. never happy for long, .. Why did I think this part would miraculously go away when I started taking BAC? Truthfully, I need to do steps 4-6 again .. I'll take 10 mg more right now. Ok, done.

Lo0p, I'm going to place an order today for my hamster.
One question.. Lo0p can Cutie take pills interspersed between the liquid? She likes to be discrete at her social hamster gatherings.

Lo0p, thank you again for telling your story.

[Lo0p]

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I take as much of my daily dose in liquid as I can. I bring pills for work shifts but try to schedule my doses around them. With the pills just come SE's, but the pills are in a legal script bottle and are much easier to transport. Even though possession of baclofen without a prescription is not a crime.

[Ne/Neva Eva]

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This part is hard, SWB. It just is. In a way it's harder than just quitting (sorta) and definitely harder than just continuing to drink alcoholically. (Again, sorta.) But only because it's difficult to navigate and plan for what's going on. Your expectations seem to be right on target, though, as does your focus. Almost all of the SEs are handle-able, particularly if you're willing and able to be really proactive. (Naps! Vitamins! Nutrition! Other meds!!) (Oh, and lest I forget the biggie and get a not-so-gentle-reminder from our exercise guru [Lo0p]: EXERCISE. It's huge and it makes everything better. Weird that way. )

So cut yourself some (a lot) of slack and remember that what you're doing is pretty super-hero-ish. Ya' know?

Sometimes I think I'm my own Wonder Woman. And when I read around here, I know others are, even if they just can't see it yet.

[soberwannabe]

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Thanks Ne, Loop

And a bigger thanks to you both and the other 'old timers' as they say .. I think I said it yesterday or the day before, but your knowledge, support and comments are my guiding foundation. ( not blindly, mind you)

I know I do a lot of comparisons to AA, which ironically I hated, .. I can't remember all the reasons, but if I go to a meeting, I'll remember. (sorry AA), but there are many reasons why it does work.

Having good information and direction from people who have 'been there and done that and still are talking about it, is still the foundation of recovery. But, my recovery is mine this time. I'm not
faking it till I make it' I'm not being pressured to do step 3 or step 4 ..

This time it is real, not fake. I am making it with the help of all of you and my new best friend baclofen.

[TexasAg]

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soberwannabe;1426053 wrote: Hi Tex,

Just curiously are the savings with a prescription fabulously better than online ? I have decent insurance, but I think my copay is still around $10.00.. ( I understand the whole legitimacy thing)

Right now I'm looking for 25mg BAC that has good prices. Let me know if you're interested in my findings.
Right now I'm getting my Bac from MEDCO which is my through the mail insurance pharmacy since it's a recurring prescription. I get 270 - 20mg pills for $20.

soberwannabe;1426057 wrote: Ha..

I found a new name for me beside Sober Wanna Be (SWB) .. Sobriety With Baclofen.. hmm I like it..

Love it! SWB all the way!

Lo0p;1426109 wrote: A dispensing syringe much like what you get for pediatric or veterinary formulations, that measures 3 ml accurately (or any increment up to that, 1, 2 1/2, etc.) comes with every bottle.

Loop, thanks for all you do! Maybe I'm misunderstanding but when you say dispensing syringe, do you mean we have to give our monkey an injection or is it like Stuck said a few drops under his tonque? I apologize for asking stuff that I'm sure you've answered but can you refresh my memory on the benefits of liquid over pills? Does it minimize SE's? Why? Can my monkey take his daily dosage of 100mg in liquid form all at once?

Thanks!

[Ne/Neva Eva]

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Not the needle-y type of syringe. Yikes!

[Lo0p]

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eeeww....no like this:



A syringe for an infant's prescription or your pet. You put it in the back of it's mouth and you push the plunger and your kangaroo swallows it...just like a pill, except for it's pleasantly sweet.

This happens to be a 20mg/1ml solution. After I put the syringe in the hole in the top and shook the vial well, I turned it upside down and pulled the plunger back to 1.25 ml. That's 25 mgs of baclofen. This isn't a bad photo but it's not perfect, if you were looking at it dead on you could see the demarcation of the plunger and 1/4 line easily. If it were a 40 mg/ml solution it'd be 50 mgs of baclofen.

It's a dropper/syringe, I guess, is the answer your looking for. I was advised against calling it by it's proper name, an "oral syringe", so that's the only time I'll say it.

It measures your subject's dose accurately and easily. And you'd have a much harder time poking holes in most things with it than you would a syringe with a needle. :H