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[Alcoholic]

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Iful:

Really?! Another penis picture?!

Your drawing of penises is pretty good. You obviously have had lots of experience drawing them. However, you may want to work on your stick figures... All of them either have 3 or 4 fingers! What's up w that?!

[Lo0p]

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This thread is about baclofen only please. Partly my fault. If you want to talk about other stuff, email the store.

[Lo0p]

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Xadrian;1419946 wrote: Do your products also work for people with monkeys on their back? When you apply it to the monkey, off course?
Think you cleverly found a maze in the law.
Way to go, Lo0p!

I used to call him a devil, but yes monkeys just seems to disappear.

Don't know about shipping to Aruba. Is it sovereign or a territory of...the UK (or somewhere)?

[ifulovelife2]

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Dya think? Oh that would be sooo cool. (twat!)

[Lo0p]

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desperados;1420070 wrote: When I've raised issuue about loOp, Bill P and Virtual Labs in the past...I was called psychotic

Wondering if the new liquid baclofen is heavily laced with xanax again...:H

Ask anyone who knows me.

That is NOT funny, if that is you're intention. Sorry for the brevity I'm late for work. I'll be back.

[Bruunhilde]

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I've got vials and vials from the lab a month or two ago, haven't used it yet but I've been using Bill's stuff since it was made known on this site that it was available. Side effects much lower according to my rat, and the price is right. Plus Bill sometimes added extra vials just because. Glad it didn't go away, Lo0p. Baclofen hasn't made me sober because I can't take enough (my blood pressure skyrockets) but it does help me feel less anxious.

[Ne/Neva Eva]

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Two of the names (used by the same person) that helped to create havoc around here. (Benzo and desperados. Ironically started out as baclofan before going completely off the wall, losing all hope and becoming a V.U.P. [Very Unpleasant Person].)
Likes to post drunk. Likes to post lies. Likes to just be an evil ass. Even made fun of someone who lost a friend to suicide.

One of the favorite rants is that we are all somehow in cahoots together to create a bunch of benzo addiction. A particular favorite is that I am taking benzos and/or adderall regularly, am not sober, and am somehow a pusher of these things. Somehow the fact that I have spent countless hours of free time trying to help others actually achieve contented sobriety has been completely avoided as a topic of consideration. Another favorite rant has something to do with you, Lo0p, and Bill.

For a while I actually thought it was Bill because the rants were so similar, and so crazy. Then I realized that baclofan/benzo/desperate was 1) Not as bright 2) Infinitely more annoying and malicious (didn't think that was actually possible) 3) Not quite as pathetically sick, and way less likely to get better.

It would be sad if it wasn't so pathetic. It's mean. Mean spirited. Just lousy. And shuts down the boards. Which is a bit of evil-karma if you ask me. A lot like what Bill did, actually.

[Ne/Neva Eva]

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just sayin

[Lo0p]

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What happened to this place?

Everybody used to be so helpful and encouraging. Now it's like almost like a barren wasteland...or is it just because it's Saturday?

There still are trolls, of course. :H

[RedThread12]

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RedThread's Point of View (and possible rant) leaving out the word vagina

I said that I would use "vagina" in my next thread title because I KNEW "penis" would keep IULL's thread among the top 3. But this post has nothing at all to do with mine, nor anyone else's that I can figure out. But give it a go, IULL! :H

No, LoOp. You're actually pretty right-on. Compared to who and where we were, it has become a pretty barren wasteland. It occurred to me as I was driving home tonight that the actual. real. way. out. that baclofen offers could be, and may already be, sucked into oblivion. I tend not to attribute that to any particular person or personality. I guess darkness just naturally dislikes light. But the spark that you and I, and Tiptronic and Ne and her husband, PaulSlice . . . and others who have been here regularly or not, but who took on the task and were successful, is definitely diminishing.

I don't mean for me, or others who have saved their lives with baclofen. That fire rages on in my life, and I think for Ne, and for Tip, and plenty more. But clarity, direction, and mutual support around baclofen to cure alcoholism have disappeared into some morass here on MWO that I can't identify. I guess I can kind of understand that, among alcoholics especially, confusion often reigns. And I've seen other, less admirable - even vicious - human qualities, that may be unleashed by demon alcohol, pour through here as if there is some force of nature that wants everyone to stay sick. And dying. Or wanting to die.

I had an interesting conversation with one of my longest (and oldest) friends tonight. He's not an addict - he's never been to an AA meeting, nor read the Big Book. He IS (at the age of 76) investigating mega-doses of certain supplements. His research revealed that Bill W. was relieved from his massive, life-long depression by taking large amounts of Niacin. A B-complex vitamin. Bill W. wanted to introduce this Way Out to the organization that he had started, but by then the "program" was so entrenched that even he could not bring any new options into it. I think we'll be learning a helluva' lot more about what Bill did AFTER AA, in order to keep on looking for ways out. When I have a minute (hahahaha!!) I'll find the paragraph in the Big Book where he states overtly that physicians in the future will find a way to cure alcoholism.

Obviously, as you've stated, LoOp, baclofen doesn't work for everyone. At least, not now. (I have some theories about that, but only time will reveal their accuracy.) But it DOES work for enough that it became a literal life line for some of us. Which is why I am so grateful to you for whatever the fuckin' hell you must have done and gone through to get where you are today; and that has put you in the position of offering life to people who are otherwise dead.

Back in 2010, I took all of this information: https://www.mywayout.org/community/f2...ead-50513.html to my physician (also my student), along with Dr. Ameisen's book. She "got" it, and over the past couple of years she has referred a few patients to me. She prescribes the baclofen, but she also tells them that it is not "one size fits all," and will prescribe only for patients who are willing to consult with me to help them with their titration schedule - of which she is clueless, happy to admit it, and happy for me to guide them. I'll just say I've learned a lot through this process; and part of what I've learned is what has given me some ideas about why it works for whom, when, how, and why not.

That you undertook the astounding task of collating and publishing all of that information has saved a few lives over here. Thank you, again. And thank you for picking up your own pieces and who knows whose other's, and doing what you're doing. I'm tellin' 'ya, I think you're going to be very pleasantly surprised. Of course, MWO and it's members deserve immense credit for opening a doorway. I will never forget that, nor periodically fall on my knees in gratitude. But I think I once heard someone say something about leading a horse to water . . .

That we made our way out is truly miraculous. Working with a physician and utilizing all of my skills has, I think, increased the success percentage. But there's a lot more to learn and understand - not only about alcohol, but other addictions - and baclofen. Imagine my dismay when I approached Gabor Mate, who seems to have one of the clearest understandings of addiction of any professional that I have come across: IN THE REALM OF HUNGRY GHOSTS | Dr. Gabor Maté and queried him about baclofen. He said something like: "Yeah. I've heard about it, but I don't really know anything about it." This man runs a "harm reduction" clinic where IV drug users can come to get free, clean needles, and self-administer under the observation of medical professionals. And he has (at least as of last spring) not the least bit of interest in understanding, studying, using balcofen. Nor have 2 physchiatrists who have been personal acquaintances and students of mine, who manage the de-tox departments in a local medical center/hospital. I know. I've approached them more than once.

Should I climb off my soap-box, now? Okay, I will. But I SO believe that you are on the right track, LoOp. And that My Way Out may have been the entryway, but not the road. People still questioning the validity of scientific studies to people who are cured is just something I have no way to wrap my brain into a helpful paradigm about. In fact, writing that shows me that they are just separate paradigms, not likely to intersect regardless of how much time and effort Ne spends putting out fires. (You know I love you, Ne:l)

As you know, I've ordered liquid baclofen for my kangaroo from you. What you are doing is a Big. Deal. Even through MWO - and hugely due to Ne's work - we could probably link together enough professionals and baclofen successes to generate a network of people who are ready to get on with it. This is not my first rodeo in this arena. I was making a living doing therapeutic massage and teaching yoga in 1982. I learned to save the resources required to try to "convince" anyone about anything, and find the stream that WAS flowing which, obviously, became a tsunami, because massage and yoga WORK. They help people feel better. And, regardless of how many pounds you can lift, I'll put money down that I can do a handstand, free from the wall, longer than you can. I'm 56 years old!!

And baclofen works. I think it works a lot more, and a lot better, than the MWO sample shows. But that's just me. And I will make my own decision about how I'm going to use my life to make the greatest possible contribution to humanity. Not braggin', but just sayin', I have saved a few lives and alleviated bucket-loads of pain, already. And that may be enough. I'm certainly not going to do much more than submit this massive post to make my point about going where the energy is, instead of fighting about where it isn't. I look forward to being further in touch . . . with you, and with anyone else who finds themselves in the position of having benefited from baclofen and wants to further that endeavor.

I think I've expent enough energy with this post to relieve all of us in that category from needing to deal with trolls and naysayers. Do you have time for all of that? I certainly don't. There is experiential knowledge to be gathered and preserved from Reggie and Tip and Ne/Eva and more than a dozen more. There is now a reliable way to get access to the elixir that saved this kangaroo's life. And there are more rats and kangaroos dying every day for lack of information, support, and access. I'm so NOT in for resisting the resisters. And I am so IN for whatever it takes to move this possible way out forward. :new: :thanks: :h

[Ne/Neva Eva]

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It takes participation, peeps. Right? Isn't that how we all got here? Because there was someone who went before and cleared the path just a little bit?

I'll be honest that I've all but given up. The last 10 months have been a lonely road here on MWO. I'm not putting this out there to elicit sympathy or guilt. Not at all. I'm putting this out here because I don't have time any more. Or the emotional wherewithal. It's simply overwhelming! It has honestly made me cry that the people who went before me opted out. And that the people that have come since stopped posting, too.
It's very, very likely that the people who are in the thick of it aren't posting either. So then what's left? Trolls. People who get misinformation. People who don't succeed, through no fault of their own, but because there isn't enough information around here to keep the momentum. It is...barren. Every now and then there are signs of life and then someone shows up and squashes it.

Sorry. I've been pissed off and miserable about this for quite some time. Actually, what's worse, is that I've practically gotten to the point where I just can't care. I've got a foot out the door, and am working to get the rest of my self to follow... For what that's worth.

*sigh*

[TexasAg]

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wow, nothing to contribute, but congrats and wow to all.

[TexasAg]

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And a big heartfelt thanks.

[lostsole]

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Bizarre. What happened to this forum?

[paulywogg]

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i dont get it? is a kangaroo you,or a real kangaroo? im totally lost on this thread