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[Chilipepper]

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Pauly,
I think that Bac can only be sold without a prescription for research purposes only, hence all the animal analogies. In other words, this Bac is sold for research purposes only, but if you, and only you decide, without arm pulling, to use it on yourself, well then, you made the decision and no one else is responsible for how you use this drug.

[Alcoholic]

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Chili pepper: thanks for the explanation!

[Lo0p]

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Bingo is one of my favorite games to play!

[Bruunhilde]

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Ah, its been a wasteland on and off the whole time I 'ge been here. Maybe if you PM a lot it wont seem that way. I know there is a whole society that isn't public here.... I prefer to be public whenever possible because I think hiding junk disenfranchises readers. Its not always realistic but ...

[Lo0p]

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Many humans have taken it upon themselves (at their own risk) to ingest this form of baclofen though. There are many accounts of it on this very site last year.

All of them (every single one) who ever did, noted with enthusiasm how superior it is to baclofen in pill form from any manufacturer. Most, if not all, reported less side effects.

I have a theory for this. I am a baclofen connoisseur. I have tried many (most?) of the brands the world has to offer. You can read about my troubles here: Bad Baclofen. I am much more sensitive than most though...or maybe not.

All pill forms of baclofen have fillers, binders and preservatives in them. Us high dose baclofen users ingest a lot of these compared to the usual baclofen user. Liquid baclofen has only distilled water, glycerin and less than 1 part per 100 of citric acid (I love oranges) and sodium benzoate (I like soda pop too) in it. That's it.

Look at your 10 or 20 mg pill. Weigh it. I bet it weighs 10 times that. What is all that crap?

There is no record anywhere of anyone who actually ingested it who had any complaint at all about it. I am aware of one individual who threw out his liquid baclofen before trying it because of fears that it might be tainted.

[Lo0p]

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Bad Baclofen

Since then I have found, or rather, realized in retrospect that every pill has it's own unique side effects that made me feel this way or that. Some were just more tolerable than others. Some made me hyper and others drained. Some made me feel like I was crazy, and others, very very sick.

Now I feel like I am drinking a couple of drops sweetened water a couple/few times a day. My demon is still dead and my head is as clear as a California day in summertime.

[Lo0p]

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For those who don't know me yet...

[MaryGoRound]

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LoOp-

I am relatively new to Balcofen and new to MWO. I did not know you were not "here" because, as a new member, I referred many times to your old posts. You have been an inspiration.

Interesting idea about the idea of purifying elements in BAC. For me, I am on a Walgreens brand. I need to check the actual brand. There are very good effects that are taking effect (same as my doctor assured me would take place) but I have some SEs that I could do without including the nausea and the change between energy and no energy.

Many of the historical "pharmaceutical" advances have occurred taking a known effective substance and changing its formulation. Aspirin, although unrelated to BAC, is a good example of a known substance that has been reformulated over the years. Some of these advances have been very good and have allowed people to tolerate the positive effects of aspirin without the negative. I am not just talking about the over the counter forms but also the many derivatives of aspirin that are offered via prescription. About five years ago I was prescribed an aspirin based drug for a very painful wrist injury. Once I realized what it was I thought, "you have to be kidding me...I am in real pain!" Long story short it worked beautifully. It not only noticeably reduced the pain but it was formulated especially to reduced to acute inflammation. The normal OTC aspirin would not have had the same effect.

Long story short is I think there is plenty of room to improve even old substances. I have faith in the BAC I am taking but I do feel like I am treating my problem with a sledgehammer when a more appropriately sized "petite" hammer will still get the nail in the hole without all the potential disruptions to wall.

[Lo0p]

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Walgreens generic is Teva. Very good brand IMO and one of the only ones I can tolerate.

But the price...:egad: I hope you've got insurance or on a very low dose.

[Bminor]

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:goodjob: :l

[Lo0p]

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Good to see you around buddy!

I might have to close the phoenixresearchlabs.com shop early today as the post office closes at 5 Pacific Standard Time and "duh" me didn't realize that they're not open tomorrow. So maybe 3:30ish?

As it says on the site our staff is taking their holiday break next week. :coolsanta:

[Guitarista]

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Loop, good to see you buddy.

Wishing you and yours a safe, sober, merry and happy christmas.

G-bloke.