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    #1

    hello all, new here

    hello all, new to the online recovery community, quick story where i'm at 1'm 43, drank hard my whole life, 15-38, the last 4 yrs was 24hr drinking, at 38 i just went to my 1st aa meeting and saw some hope. the last 5yrs have been hard, worked all 12steps 3 times but haven't been able to put more than 6months together. I'm definetly in a better place than when i first started trying to get sober, but the social anexity still kicks my ass. Even in the fellowship i just don't feel comfortable around many people. I've just come off a bad relapse(5 days sober), detox was awful(should have gone to the hospital, no insurance,). I just started naltrexone 50mg yesterday. i feel very spacy/dizzy but hopefully that will pass. So i'm feeling new hope after reading some people's experiances with it on this forum. Today is the first i've ever heard of baclofen, so i'm definitly going to read up on that, since social anexity is what got me into drinking. Can large amounts of the supplement GABA help if i can't get baclofen? And the way people dose up on baclofen does that get very expensive? I'm a low bottom drinker natural ice and skol vodka, thanks, matt
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    hello all, new here

    Hey there, Matt, welcome! Definitely read up on baclofen (or bac, as we call it, or HDB, which is high-dose bac, since we're kind of confusing here). It's for sure more expensive than natty ice and skol... well, depending on how much of it you're drinking, I guess.

    GABA, like neurontin/gabapentin might help with social anxiety or anxiety in general, but doesn't do anything for alcohol cravings the way bac does. How are your cravings? How's the nal(trexone) working for you?

    Check out this thread to get you started, then just jump in and start asking lots of questions:

    https://www.mywayout.org/community/f2...ead-38718.html

    And :welcome: again!

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      #3
      hello all, new here

      thanks LA, i'm on my 2nd day of 50mg of nal, the side effects are pretty bad(dizzy,spacey, little nausea) hopefully that will ease off. As far as cravings i have none the thought of drinking is quite replulsive. usaully after a bad detox it takes about 3 or 4 days for the cravings to come back(guess when the alcohol in my system starts to clean out), but the last 2 days on nal there is just no craving whatsoever. But part of me wonders if that because these side effects are so strong, time will tell. I definitly find a new hope with the info of this website. cause i don't see me lasting more than another year with the sober/binge/sober/binge cycle i've been on the last 5 yrs, thanks again take care

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        #4
        hello all, new here

        WELCOME MATT!

        no pill is a panacea for everyone. I would recommend holding on to that anti-drinking feeling, grab and hold it and don't let it go. It's your saving grace, and Nal seems to be working for you. Don't stop it, keep sticking to it. don't listen to your inner thirsty child. that is the voice that wants to kill you. We want you to stay here, safe, sober, and get your life back. Welcome again.

        I don't always check threads like I should so PM me if I neglect to answer if you say something you need a response to.

        Take care of yourself, Matt.

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          #5
          hello all, new here

          Hello, Matt! It's a new life! Today is a new day and I'm glad you got some help from naltrexone! Good luck, post here often and we are here for you!!!!
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            #6
            hello all, new here

            Just a quick addition on GABA......helped me a lot with anxiety and other supplements help repair other damage. Never did naltrexone or baclofen route but would if I relapsed

            Good luck, loads of knowledge here and :welcome:

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              #7
              hello all, new here

              thanks so much for the quick responses guys. The side effects are still pretty bad from the naltrexone, its 2am, i started it day before yesterday at 9 am,still feel funny, and not in a good way. i've read the sd's should ease off in a couple days. Does anyone have experiance with this? i have read that some people start off with 25mg at first, i started at 50mg maybe that's why i'm feeling so loopy. Also maybe starting it just 3days after my last drink might, eventhough i see people use it to moderate their drinking, i'm in late stages of alcoholism (meaning if i just hit a 4 to 5 day binge when i stop its a full detox experiance: violent shakes, hallucinations, sweats,possible seizures). Anyway thanks for the support, this site has given me a sense of hope that i havn't felt since i first reach the rooms of aa. It feels like this is the medical part of my program thats been missing. Its been like once i'd done all my amends and i felt better with the world that there is always the feeling of unrest in my brian and eventually i would just need relief from it and i cave and take a drink. And i've been on this awful cycle for 5 yrs now and just can't take it anymore. Maybe this it a new chapter in my recovery, thanks again guys just rambling now, but excited about the future for the first time in a long time

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                hello all, new here

                [QUOTE=matt2d2;1420464]thanks so much for the quick responses guys. The side effects are still pretty bad from the naltrexone, its 2am, i started it day before yesterday at 9 am,still feel funny, and not in a good way. i've read the sd's should ease off in a couple days. Does anyone have experiance with this? i have read that some people start off with 25mg at first, i started at 50mg maybe that's why i'm feeling so loopy. Also maybe starting it just 3days after my last drink might, eventhough i see people use it to moderate their drinking, i'm in late stages of alcoholism (meaning if i just hit a 4 to 5 day binge when i stop its a full detox experiance: violent shakes, hallucinations, sweats,possible seizures). Anyway thanks for the support, this site has given me a sense of hope that i havn't felt since i first reach the rooms of aa. It feels like this is the medical part of my program thats been missing. Its been like once i'd done all my amends and i felt better with the world that there is always the feeling of unrest in my brian and eventually i would just need relief from it and i cave and take a drink. And i've been on this awful cycle for 5 yrs now and just can't take it anymore. Maybe this it a new chapter in my recovery, thanks again guys just rambling now, but excited about the future for the first time in a long time[/QUOTE



                I heard some people start with 1/4 tab for a few days, 1/2 tab tab for a few days then a whole pill. If you do a search on naltrexone, you will find some people here w experience w it.
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                  #9
                  hello all, new here

                  Half life for Naltrexone's major metabolite 6-beta-naltrexol (which is mostly responsible for it's effect) is VERY long. 18-24ish or maybe waay more (sketchy memory). Search my posts on the TSM board and I made a graph that shows the exact amount after x hours/days. If you're still having problems it's because of the doses you took days ago.

                  If you would've started @ 12.5 and worked up, you probably would've been fine. Although there have been instances of super sensitivity. Everybody is different.
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                    #10
                    hello all, new here

                    thanks loop and alcoholic, i think your right i took too much at first without knowing how sensitive i am to it ( story of my life! lol). so day1 i took 50mg, yesterday i took 25mg in the morning and 25mg last night, and i've taken 25mg this morning. i'll probably wait till tomorrow and just take 25 again, eventhough i don't feel too bad right now, just a little strange. One thing though when i make myself think about taking a drink it still seems pretty replusive. Which is huge for me, since i'm definitely wanting total abstinence. Tried anabuse in the past and drank on it (not very fun), just was hoping the nal. would help with the cravings, gonna use some supplements also. thanks again

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                      #11
                      hello all, new here

                      Hi Matt - I have found that L-glut - the powdered type is REALLY good as long as you take it. I dissolve 2 tsps of the powder in an inch or two of water - take it an hour or so before i would usually have a drink - then again an hour or two later and again if necessary - it is amazing stuff when taken - LOL !!

                      All the best to you, sun X
                      How simple it is to see that we can only be happy now and there will never be a time when it is not now....

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                        #12
                        hello all, new here

                        I totally agree w sun about the l glutamine!
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                          #13
                          hello all, new here

                          thanks sunshine, i've taken glutamine in the past for working out( when i'm sober i become a work out fanatic), didn't know until recently it's benefits for not drinking. i plan on getting some tomorrow. Does it have benefits for total abstinance? These are the supplrments i plan on taking daily: L gluamine 5g (twice a day), 1 b complex-100, 1 500mg naicin, 3 fish oil, 1 or 2 GABA 500mg,hopefully will help with anxiety, 1 multi, 1 vit c 500mg, 1 folic acid, then healthy eating and exercise. also will be 50mg naltrexone and i take 25mg of paxil. i would love i get off the paxil eventually, it makes me kind of flat, but for now it's the only thing i've found that can handle my social anxiety (which i believe i have worse than just about anyone i've ever met), other than alcohol that is. I'm hoping in a couple weeks after i level out (from detoxing and adjusting to nal), to look into baclofen. Does it have anti anxiety effects? Does anyone know of any good anxiety supplements or recovery ones i might be missing? thanks again everyone

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                            #14
                            hello all, new here

                            Matt:
                            I don't know if glutamine helps w total abstinence but when I crave a drink, I mix 1-2 scoops of micronized fruit punch flavored l glutamine from gnc and it takes away my cravings.

                            Some people take calm forte or valerian herb for anxiety. Baclofen may have some anti anxiety effect as it is sedating but you may want to post that question in baclofen thread.

                            Hope that helps!
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                            A wise man knows how little he knows."

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                              #15
                              hello all, new here

                              Most people using baclofen are also people with anxiety problems. Baclofen helps with both the alcohol cravings and the anxiety. Get hold of Olivier Ameisen's "The End of My Addiction" where the author gives a great description of his own journey from addiction to cure. There is also a lot of information on this website.

                              https://www.mywayout.org/community/f2...ead-50513.html contains a lot of useful background information.

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