Recovering AA member tries Baclofen. Will it work?

[Xadrian]

Recovering AA member tries Baclofen. Will it work?

ifulovelife2;1423256 wrote: What is 'normal' about blacking out and being raped?

Did she mention being raped every day? Or frequently? No?
Well, then there's nothing normal about it. Did I ever mention that it was? Or was it just your own conclusion that I was thinking so?

Sorry for the misunderstanding, but it's not that your own opinion is the right one and mine is not. Or the other way around. Maybe we both are wrong or both are right. But that's not he point here. This is not about who is right or who is wrong and attacking one another for disagreeing (it's no religion, you know and the only bible about baclofen (Olivier Ameisen's) is written by one man, mostly based on his own experiences).

Let's just try to share as much information and experiences to be helpful to other fellow-sufferers.

[Xadrian]

Recovering AA member tries Baclofen. Will it work?

Baclofen overdose

Colin;1423295 wrote: A case of de novo seizures following... [Alcohol Alcohol. 2012 Sep-Oct] - PubMed - NCBI

Forgot the link

Here's another one:An Initially Unsuspected Case of Baclofen Overdose

And here: http://cicm.org.au/journal/2000/september/Case2.pdf

And here: An unusual presentation of baclofen overdose -- Chong and Wang 22 (9): 673 -- Emergency Medicine Journal

And here: http://www.asiatox.org/6th%20APAMT%2...modialysis.pdf

No offense, Lovelife, but should I continue?

[Xadrian]

Recovering AA member tries Baclofen. Will it work?

[QUOTE=Ne/Neva Eva;1423276]I have no interest in a brawl or even in a discussion about this on the thread of a newbie who has already received misinformation from members who don't participate regularly in the meds threads and sought to give well meaning advice to Momof4.

Ne/Neva Eva, you seem to be the most sensible person over here ;-)

I just can't help myself, but felt I had to because I don't want to get anybody hurt.

Momof4, sorry for messing up your thread. Please do whatever you think is best for you.

I will try to lie low from here on.

[MaryGoRound]

Recovering AA member tries Baclofen. Will it work?

All-

I think the previous posts are demonstrating we are so moved by the initial tread and it has brought out strong emotions on all sides.

Mom, I think we are all saying we care and want to know how you are. Please provide an update. The most import point is we do care!

[TexasAg]

Recovering AA member tries Baclofen. Will it work?

Hi Mom,

Just wanted to say howdy and hope all is well. Thinking of you and sending prayers your way.

Feel free to post whatever is on your mind, or not post. Just be sure to know we're thinking about you!

Cheers!

[rangiatea]

Recovering AA member tries Baclofen. Will it work?

I would not reccomend titrating up so fast.I made the same mistake over a year ago when I stupidly took 100+mg all at once and had hallucinations worse than mushroom trips.It was over 6-8 hours later.I then started back on 10mg TID and still taking that dose now.Asides from a few minor alcohol slips,I have not used alchohol since and AF since 8 months ago.Go easy on the bacs,start low and slow and titrate slowly so u dont get nasty sides.

[Lo0p]

Recovering AA member tries Baclofen. Will it work?

We lost her, for now. Her last activity on this site was the 7th at 9 something AM.

Lesson learned? I hope so.

momof4: sorry for peeking at your activity.

[Xadrian]

Recovering AA member tries Baclofen. Will it work?

Lo0p;1426704 wrote: Lesson learned? I hope so.

I don't believe it has anything to do with lessons. It has more to do with trying to prevent people from doing possibly dangerous actions.

I agree with you that quarreling is not a positive development, but if you mean that we better shut our mouth if we disagree on certain approaches, we better clear out the forum and listen to our doctors, which I personally don't think will help us a lot.

If we (including me) would try not to feel attacked all the time when someone disagrees with someone else, I think the problem would be solved for the biggest part.

I have no hard feelings against anyone on this forum, but I agree with Colin's approach and I try to prevent deleting out things that I have written.

The most important thing is that we continue with trying to help our fellow-sufferers of this bad disease and provide valuable information using this forum.
We all have /had this draining disease and we all want to be cured or already been cured.

Agreed?

[Lo0p]

Recovering AA member tries Baclofen. Will it work?

I didn't actually read the "quarreling posts", I never do anymore so I can't comment on their content.

I wholeheartedly agree with the sentiment in your last paragraph.

[Lo0p]

Recovering AA member tries Baclofen. Will it work?

I didn't actually read it, but I can say that I've seen that specific argument something over 40 and less than 100 times played out here before.

Everybody is different. I took 150 mgs my very first day, 250 my second and 250 my 3rd. I drank 2 units on that third day and fell asleep sober for the first time I could remember in years.

Would I recommend that to anyone else? No. I'm aware of at least one case who went up super fast (albeit much slower than I did) and ended up in the hospital. Err...terryk?

I think "listen to your body" is a good rule of thumb. That's what I did.

In retrospect it may have been stupid (or brilliant...doubt it) but what I did was look up the time to peak plasma concentration of baclofen (1.5 hours) and at that point asked myself, "can I handle more?" The answer was "yes" and so I took more. 10-20-30-40 and 50 mgs I believe was my first day.

50-50-50-50 and 50 were my second and third. I saw a light at the end of the tunnel that night. I was laying down on my couch staring at the slightly more than 1 1/2 bottles of wine left thinking:

"You know you have to drink all of that, pretty quickly, to even get a few hours of sleep, right? But then you'd have to get up, go over there, pour it, smell it....uggghh...(that was the first time I'd ever felt that sensation/reaction to smelling alcohol), and then actually drink it. No thanks." And I drifted off to sleep.

She was comfortable at 80 mgs. We're all different.

"Just sayin''" as NE would say

[Ne/Neva Eva]

Recovering AA member tries Baclofen. Will it work?

hmmmm.

Seriously?

Not again.

I don't have time. But I'll be back.

[Lo0p]

Recovering AA member tries Baclofen. Will it work?

uggh oh...I'm in trouble.

Doesn't it go without saying that what I did could very possibly land 90+% of people in the hospital, a coma or a looney bin?...Wait...where am I?

What did I do now MOM? :upset:

[Ne/Neva Eva]

Recovering AA member tries Baclofen. Will it work?

*sigh*
Not your mom. Not even here to tell you you did something wrong. It's not up to me.

Do you know how many people successfully take baclofen to indifference? Less than 1 in 10 is my best guess.
Do you know how many end up at the ER? I did, twice. StuckinLA did. Terryk. The list goes on. The reasons vary, but it's a common theme.
Do you know how many suicides we know about here on the MWO meds threads? 4.
Do you know how many people have done a "quick titration" or taken gobs of baclofen at once and found indifference and stayed there? 1.
Do you know how many have followed that path and found themselves in dire straights? Just read the threads. Any of them.

My most recent experience with someone titrating up past the point of anything remotely reasonable, under the tutelage of Dr. Levin, was with a guy in Texas. He was indifferent, alright, but he couldn't function. He dropped down really dramatically too, looking for some way out of the hell he was living. He had a psychiatrist, and a counselor, worked out regularly and took care of himself. Took xanax and then valium. Ended up in the psych ward and I haven't heard from him since.

It wasn't actually my friend Michelle's death by self-inflicted gunshot to the head that has made me question this whole endeavor, it was the guy in Texas.

How many people are going to follow the leader and end up in the ER? Dramatically increasing or decreasing baclofen may not end up in death, but it fucks everyone who does it up. And nowhere in that story is the point that you were not actually living at the time. No responsibilities, no job, no nothing. Suicidally depressed and without anything, by your own estimation.
I owe to you (and MANY others) the fact that I did this thing, but it was brutal. I was unable to drive safely, had a seizure (which you insisted was not a seizure, and probably will dismiss it now) had two visits to the ER, an MRI, a stress test, lost my job, and almost lost my mind.
Your guidance helped me get through it, and I don't regret one bit of it, but let's not pretend it's okay. It's not okay.

This stuff is not magic. It's an extremely powerful medication that works on the CNS in ways that medicos have little or no understanding. Let's not pretend we know.

It's a terrible disease, and the cure for it need not be terrible. But when folks think you can take a magic pill in 2 or 3 times the amount that is normally prescribed, without dramatic repercussions, as an easy way out, they are being misled.

Peace out. I'm out of time.

[Raven2012]

Recovering AA member tries Baclofen. Will it work?

We lost her. She didn't need anything but a warm blanket around her wounded soul.

I hope we get her back.

[IpswichTown]

Recovering AA member tries Baclofen. Will it work?

Ask Dr Phill to help you titrate. He sorted me out in 6 weeks.