Phoenix Research Labs/Liquid Bac

[teezah]

Phoenix Research Labs/Liquid Bac

Lo0p,

I was asked if I have tried liquid bac on another thread so I have a couple of questions:

Would liquid bac have prevented me from having the side effects that are stopping me take Bac?

Worsening Asthma
Achyness
Tinnitus
Anxiety if I'm not regular with my dose

Thanks

[lostsole]

Phoenix Research Labs/Liquid Bac

teezah;1431431 wrote: Lo0p,

I was asked if I have tried liquid bac on another thread so I have a couple of questions:

Would liquid bac have prevented me from having the side effects that are stopping me take Bac?

Worsening Asthma
Achyness
Tinnitus
Anxiety if I'm not regular with my dose

Thanks

I'd love to know this, too. I am at 240mg and I have SE's. Considering from what I've read even pure baclofen has SE's. It's the drug not just fillers.

[RedThread12]

Phoenix Research Labs/Liquid Bac

Some

After closely observing my own kangaroo, it is pretty clear to me that the liquid version of baclofen is either slightly more potent, or it's potency is enhanced by lack of fillers, etc., which also reduces the intensity of SE's. So for anyone whose monkey, mouse, kangaroo, etc., has strong SE's, I would consider liquid bac worth a go.

I do want to share my kangroo's experience, though. Obviously, she's not the sharpest knife in the drawer. :H I told her about the time I accidentally doubled my Teva pill dose: https://www.mywayout.org/community/f2...fen-48777.html. But that did not stop her from forgetting how much she had taken the other day, and taking an additional 40-60 mg of liquid bac just before going to bed. WELL!!! Let me just say, what happened when I overdosed by about 200 mg of pills did not come CLOSE to that extra 60 (COULD have been 40mg, slight possibility of 80 mg) liquid bac.

Neither my kangaroo nor i have ever been very sensitive to a fairly wide range of intake/day. We both consider our "maintenance dose" to be 120 mg, give-or-take. The result of the "too much" liquid bac was exponentially more intense than that of the pills. Kanga woke up with her heartbeat so fast and loud that she seriously considered calling EMSA. Then she took her blood pressure, which was at a remarkable, but not too frightening, as long as it was temporary, 167/110. And then . . . Kanga passed out cold for 4 hours. Woke up disorientented, knew the time, but not the day, and went through a series of now humorous hallucinations in which she was calling for her mother to help her. And even had the thought, "maybe I should buy health insurance."

It came on so quickly, with such ferocity, that it took us quite a while to put that last dose of liquid bac and this episode together. When I did it with the pills, I knew immediately what had happened. This seemed such a modest increase that we (Kanga, LoOp, me) are still considering the possibilities. In order to keep comparing apples to apples, Kanga resumed taking the liquid bac, and has absolutely no issue when properly dosed. So apparently there's an allergy, or some kind of bio-chemical response that may be specific to her, regarding liquid bac. If anyone has any thoughts about this I would love to hear them.

So, not to worry. She's fine, and still taking the liquid bac. Although, it did take us a little while to sort out the difference between the original liquid, which was 20 mg/ml, and this one, at 40 mg/ml. All goes well if she keeps a log. And pays attention. She also travels (for the most part) quite successfully with the liquid vials.

Between these 2 experiences, I have put together an "overdose kit," that I will pass along, just in case it ever happens to anyone else. 1. Blood pressure cuff. (And knowing the really dangerous levels); 2. Phenergen suppositories or pills. Too much bac made both me and my kangaroo nauseous, nauseous, nauseous, nauseous. Kanga was SOOO happy I could giver her a phenergen, which put her to sleep and ended the vomiting; and 3. Quetiapine fumarate in a small dose. It's an anti-psychotic, and even though Kanga and I might both be psychotic, I'm prescribed it "off label" for sleep. It lowers blodd pressure, too.

And maybe open the computer and PM me. I got quite close to taking Kanga in, the other night, but that would have entailed calling the Dr. who prescribes for her, telling the liquid bac story, etc. Not that I wouldn't have done it if I hadn't finally figured it out and knew what to do . . . but I do believe it's near the bottom of the list of best ways to deal with silly Kangaroos.

As we've all learned over these extraordinary years of baxploration, we're all different. There have only been a few posts about taking too much, and I've authored 2 of them. Does the make me an authority:H:H??

[lostsole]

Phoenix Research Labs/Liquid Bac

Umm ok? Are we on bluelight or a forum to help people with alcoholism?

Might want to shake that bottle up a bit more next dose of research chemicals from China.

Alibaba has it at about $1 per K.

[Bruunhilde]

Phoenix Research Labs/Liquid Bac

I also find liquid to have fewer SEs but easy to OD with the particulate matter never being the same density.

[RedThread12]

Phoenix Research Labs/Liquid Bac

Thanks, Bruun, for "getting" it. I'm

It was stupid on my kangaroo's part, but the only way this particular kangaroo has been able to free from drinking against her will has been with baclofen. And she started taking it a long time ago, when every little bit of shared information and experience was what helped me save her life. So that was why I made that post . . . just in case anyone else has a wild hare or kangaroo or snake . . . and having more information about what to do in that case is more helpful than not. What I have learned, over these years on MWO, has saved a few kangaroos not only from dying from alcohol, but from gruesome side-effects and huge medical/emergency room expenses.:bow

Kanga, et al, are fully on track again with liquid bac. She still prefers it to the pills, and is so happy with the immediate response and attention from the baclofentist who makes it. This is a big deal, friends, IMHO. A GREAT big deal.

[lostsole]

Phoenix Research Labs/Liquid Bac

"getting it" - "easy to OD", somehow for zoo animals that means less SE's and ER visits? Sounds opposite.

Either way, for this foolish zoo animal talk, I submit these talking points:

1) Research chemicals are unregulated, I suspect this is from China. No oversight at all
2) This chemical is simply added to a solvent. Again, zero regulation and oversight for processes
3) Dosage is hardly regulated since we see that the particulate is not evenly distributed. Sounds more like a recreational use.
4) Nice this forum is being used by a business to promote his business and also using aliases.

[BarkerBob]

Phoenix Research Labs/Liquid Bac

This is my first post, so I am hoping I won't get banned for it. I have been around reading for quite some time now, taking Baclofen pills and enjoying the wisdom around here. I have a lot of respect for what Lo0p has done here with his posts and collected information. Valuable stuff, that's for sure.

Somehow in the last weeks the "hype" around this Liquid Baclofen got out of hand around in my opinion. People are not only talking about Baclofen here anymore, no... it's the liquid stuff - the real deal, because the pharmaceutical product is so much harder to cope with. It really does not sound all that logical for me. But then, the mind is a powerful thing...

I don't know about the animal talk. I do understand why Lo0p has to do it to keep the business running, but not every customer seems to understand it by the looks of posts around here. It kinda reminds me of the way GBL is marketed online, cleaning agent for car parts etc. Over here in Germany shop owners of such websites got convicted although they used this "work around", but it may very well work in the US.

It's too bad the shop doesn't ship to Europe though, I'd love to see if there is any truth to all this talk. So yeah, maybe I am just bitter. So what am I on about? Not sure, seeing that this one of the best sites with information about Baclofen, I'd hate to see it get a bad reputation with postings about stints to the ER and stuff.

[lostsole]

Phoenix Research Labs/Liquid Bac

I don't think people get banned very easily here. There are no mods.

The med has binders in it. So, if you are allergic to the binders then yes you would have more SE's. Otherwise there is zero logic to it. Zero. You can study that. Now if the med you have has less active baclofen in it, that's an issue also.

Most baclofen is produced at pharmaceutical laboratories that have to live by rules and inspections, etc.
The liquid stuff is just the chemical baclofen mixed up in a solution.

Have fun. Me, I just want to stay sober. I take too much of this stuff to start playing recreational games with it.

[ifulovelife2]

Phoenix Research Labs/Liquid Bac

OK, I have absolutely no idea what has happened to this thread. Lol, seriously, ignorance and conspiracy theories seem to go hand in hand.

I received my liquid bac a week ago and have had absolutely no issues with it. Before I received it, I had to drop to 60mg/day because I had run so low on supplies. That's too low for me: the beast was stirring once more. So I immediately jumped up to 90/day and didn't suffer any side effects. Not only did I not get any SEs from the 50% increase, I lost the SEs I was having on the bac pills.

I would not hesitate to recommend liquid bac to anyone. Now, if only Lo0p would sort out a cheap and quick method of transport to the UK, I am sure he would have a good market for this cheap, pure and quality product.

If anyone wants to carry on with conspiracy weirdness, please do, cos I love a good chuckle.:H

[lostsole]

Phoenix Research Labs/Liquid Bac

Ba dum dum.

Don't forget the liquid cialis. 3 new flavors coming soon! :H

[Bruunhilde]

Phoenix Research Labs/Liquid Bac

Would think you could label as shampoo and deliver in concentrated form but risk your biz unless having recipient friend do the repackaging in the States.

[Chilipepper]

Phoenix Research Labs/Liquid Bac

Some of you have brought up the concern of getting a consistent dose of liquid baclofen. One method that I found to be effective is to shake the solution vigorously, immediately taking off the top, and here is the important part, to always draw the solution from the BOTTOM of the bottle with the syringe each time.

[Bruunhilde]

Phoenix Research Labs/Liquid Bac

Chili- that's exactly how I do it. Still, the solution is always stronger as the bottle gets emptier. I just take less then but its not exact dozing. I think most of my issue with it is my drinking. That is not exact dosing either. Haha

I would add that liquid baclofen never seems as wonderful as it does after you've used non-liquid bac for a few days. THEN you realize how crappy pills are - the side effects! :egad:

[Chilipepper]

Phoenix Research Labs/Liquid Bac

Bruun,
I believe our method is the best to help ensure a more consistent solution of liquid baclofen. I don't know of a better way, but I agree, it still gets stronger toward the end of the "bottle," Ha! Kind of an ironic term for us alcoholics!