Phoenix Research Labs/Liquid Bac

[Lo0p]

Phoenix Research Labs/Liquid Bac

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[Lo0p]

Phoenix Research Labs/Liquid Bac

I actually had my own little rental house, about a 1/4 mile down the highway. But I couldn't stay there. We paid for it to sit there, empty, for another few months until the lease was up. It was empty. And probably cold too. There is a hole in my heart. It's a little bit smaller now but it still stings.

I didn't get fired. I rarely had a problem with alcohol and work, I typically only drank at night, every night, after work. But I couldn't make it through a a single shift or even an hour without spending half of it with tears absolutely soaking my clothes and shaking so violently. I would try to take an order from a happy family, with some kids bouncing around and a smile on my face, then all of a sudden a thought would run through my head: "That valley on my way home, before that one bridge...I should look to see if it has a place that's steep enough where I could go full speed off of it and not get caught up on something till I hit. Would it hurt?"

She was gone forever. She had to go because she couldn't stay and watch me die.
This was my life in June, the month preceding my TSM start date, July 29th 2009.



TSM wasn't working.

This is an entry from my journal, and it is one of the darkest hours in my life. It was a day or two after I got out of jail and a day or two before my life changed forever. It's memories like these that seem so long ago right now that when I read them I might as well be reading someone else's journal. But at the same time, I will never, ever forget them.

October 23, 2009:

I still drank last night. I've taken 250 mgs so far today, with quite a bit more wooziness and some mild visual hallucinations, but nothing too bothersome. Haven't drank yet...jury's still out on that one. I can't attribute it to the baclofen yet but I noticed that about an hour after I took a larger dose the overwhelming suicidal feelings/thoughts I have suffered at least every 10 waking minutes for a long time now seemed to disappear. But...then they started to creep back in the evening so I got drunk.

I was walking to the gas station down the street last night to get a bottle of wine (I was already wasted) and a car was coming in the opposite direction. They sped up and swerved just a tiny bit in my direction. I thought they were speeding up and swerving in my direction to scare me. Now sober, I know they were just speeding up because they were turning onto the highway that I was walking on and just lost the grip on the wheel a bit while they gassed it. I got angry and, glaring through the windshield at the driver, charged the car, running straight toward it as fast as I could. I had a vision of diving head first into their windshield and my brain being splattered all over it. I can't explain it other than to say that I was thinking: "You think you can scare me motherfucker? I would fucking welcome whatever you think you could do to me" They swerved away and sped off. I ended up on my ass in the middle of the highway. My ankle might be broken, or sprained quite severely. Either way it's probably a good thing I can't really walk right now.

If you are out there, if you are listening, please send me an angel. I really need one right now. I feel like I am in the twilight of my life. I want to die and I am not afraid.

The next day, the baclofen started to take hold.

[Lo0p]

Phoenix Research Labs/Liquid Bac

I actually had my own little rental house, about a 1/4 mile down the highway. But I couldn't stay there. We paid for it to sit there, empty, for another few months until the lease was up. It was empty. And probably cold too. There is a hole in my heart. It's a little bit smaller now but it still stings.

I didn't get fired. I rarely had a problem with alcohol and work, I typically only drank at night, every night, after work. But I couldn't make it through a a single shift or even an hour without spending half of it with tears absolutely soaking my clothes and shaking so violently. I would try to take an order from a happy family, with some kids bouncing around and a smile on my face, then all of a sudden a thought would run through my head: "That valley on my way home, before that one bridge...I should look to see if it has a place that's steep enough where I could go full speed off of it and not get caught up on something till I hit. Would it hurt?"

She was gone forever. She had to go because she couldn't stay and watch me die.
This was my life in June, the month preceding my TSM start date, July 29th 2009.



TSM wasn't working.

This is an entry from my journal, and it is one of the darkest hours in my life. It was a day or two after I got out of jail and a day or two before my life changed forever. It's memories like these that seem so long ago right now that when I read them I might as well be reading someone else's journal. But at the same time, I will never, ever forget them.

October 23, 2009:

I still drank last night. I've taken 250 mgs so far today, with quite a bit more wooziness and some mild visual hallucinations, but nothing too bothersome. Haven't drank yet...jury's still out on that one. I can't attribute it to the baclofen yet but I noticed that about an hour after I took a larger dose the overwhelming suicidal feelings/thoughts I have suffered at least every 10 waking minutes for a long time now seemed to disappear. But...then they started to creep back in the evening so I got drunk.

I was walking to the gas station down the street last night to get a bottle of wine (I was already wasted) and a car was coming in the opposite direction. They sped up and swerved just a tiny bit in my direction. I thought they were speeding up and swerving in my direction to scare me. Now sober, I know they were just speeding up because they were turning onto the highway that I was walking on and just lost the grip on the wheel a bit while they gassed it. I got angry and, glaring through the windshield at the driver, charged the car, running straight toward it as fast as I could. I had a vision of diving head first into their windshield and my brain being splattered all over it. I can't explain it other than to say that I was thinking: "You think you can scare me motherfucker? I would fucking welcome whatever you think you could do to me" They swerved away and sped off. I ended up on my ass in the middle of the highway. My ankle might be broken, or sprained quite severely. Either way it's probably a good thing I can't really walk right now.

If you are out there, if you are listening, please send me an angel. I really need one right now. I feel like I am in the twilight of my life. I want to die and I am not afraid.

It was then, the next day, that I could feel the baclofen start to take hold. I ran out soon thereafter. All Day Chemist had shorted me half my order. But I saw a glimpse of light, and I knew there was more.

[TexasAg]

Phoenix Research Labs/Liquid Bac

Loop,

That is an amazing story. I had read bits and pieces but not the whole story. I thank God you're here to tell it and also for all you do to help others. A good friend wrote that it's like we got the lucky lottery ticket for finding Bac and beating the beast. I totally agree and am very much looking to pay it forward like you.

:thanks::thanks:

God Bless!

Cheers!

(BTW, is she still gone? Please feel free to ignore the question)

[Hippyman]

Phoenix Research Labs/Liquid Bac

That is a miracle if I ever read one. Baclofen can save countless lives. It will happen and you are making sure of that LoOp. God Bless your soul!

[Lo0p]

Phoenix Research Labs/Liquid Bac

Nice! 6 will fit in this.

This is a USPS Express Mail 9ish by 12ish padded envelope with an international weight limit of 20 lbs.



Quote, unquote errr...:"For shipments that do not need the extra protection that a cardboard box provides." Cardboard boxes fit into this thing. On the right there are three bottles vacuum packed with cardboard on both sides...which will fit into the USPS's standard Priority International and Domestic box, which will in turn fit into the bubble mailer, with a LOT of room to spare.

$16.95 for non-trackable international 6-10??++ days
or $38 for this 3-5 day (supposedly) shipment.

I haven't configured the website for all the countries or even enabled this (express) method yet as an option yet. eeeeeeeeeeeeeemmmmail.

Lights out for me.

[TexasAg]

Phoenix Research Labs/Liquid Bac

Hi Loop,

Quick question, how long does the liquid bac keep? I've seen posts here that they had stuff from Bill for a year or two?

Thanks!

Cheers!

[Lo0p]

Phoenix Research Labs/Liquid Bac

I used bottles of Bill's old formula (before the preservatives) for 6 months. I don't think he made his first bottle until November-ish of '11 so there's no bottles floating around that are 2 years old. He used heat to sterilize them.

He told me he noticed "something" in bottles that could have been 9 months old probably in August-ish last year. He didn't take a sample and culture it though. But that's what prompted him to change the formula and add the preservatives.

With the combination of the ridiculously complicated heating and cooling process, and with the NA benzoate and citric acid lowering the pH making it inhospitable to microbes they should now last as long as the shelf life of the molecule.

Here's where it gets fuzzy. Because of oxidation, UV radiation and maybe another culprit, baclofen and all pharmaceuticals lose potency over time. The maestro put it to me as something like this: "It's a QOL (quality of life) med. When they say it expires in January of 2015, what they are actually saying is that they guarantee that an Xmg dose will be within the range of Xmg-Xmg on that date, e.g. a 20mg dose may be 21mg on the date of manufacture and 17mg-20mg two years later depending on storage conditions."

I'm quite sure it's common knowledge that it is generally okay to take meds past their expiration date, but they may not be as potent. I knew that, but my brain likes to hang on to little factoids like that, so it may not be common knowledge.

We buy smaller, more expensive batches, so that we will run out in a month or two. So the shelf life of any research product purchased is maximized.

Short answer: Probably two years, but still safe beyond then.

If anyone has any of Bill's old Virtuous Labs baclofen bottles they might be okay but I'd throw 'em out. All ingredients, packaging and equipment were sterile or sterilized during the compounding process except the air in the room. If the right spore was floating around during the last step (cap and sealing the bottles) someone might have a bottle with magic mushro0ms growing in it!

That is impossible with the new formulation...unfortunately. :upset:

[TexasAg]

Phoenix Research Labs/Liquid Bac

:thanks: for the info Loop.

One more question, my rhino thinks the liquid bac is much better than the pills and would prefer taking them even in the office. Problem is the whole portability, measuring and such. The other problem is the pills were more convenient to see if he'd missed a dose, (i.e. 5 pills in his pill pouch for the day 5 alarms to buzz his phone so if an alarm went off and he had more pills than alarms left he knew he'd missed a dose and would play a little catchup.)

An option would be to find a 5 mL syringe dropper, fill it up in the morning, put the cap on it and carry it in his pocket and voila, alarm rings splash 1 mL in the back of his throat and he'd know how many doses he'd taken and how many are left to match the alarms left.

I went online to look for 5mL (skinny) droppers and found 5cc droppers. I googled and think it's the same but just want to make sure (don't want rhino messing up the dosage).

So question - 1mL = 1ml = 1cc ?

(sorry for the roundabout way to ask simple question but thought others might like that option since I see some take liquid at home but pills at work.)

Cheers!

[Ne/Neva Eva]

Phoenix Research Labs/Liquid Bac

TexasAg;1452921 wrote:

So question - 1mL = 1ml = 1cc?

Yes

[TexasAg]

Phoenix Research Labs/Liquid Bac

Great thanks!

[Otter]

Phoenix Research Labs/Liquid Bac

We got out first supply of liquid baclofen just after xmas. My wife tried some but said she didn't like the taste and doubted that it was the real thing so she didn't take it. She had a gastric band fitted in November and we went for a band fill a week ago. After that she had difficulty getting anything down at all including water. It was all coming back up so she was starting to get shakey, not taking her meds.

She tried liquid baclofen again and zonked in the living room at her usual dose. Then she started taking a bit less and letting it absorb under her tongue. Now she is better on liquid than the pills and only takes 15 mg in the morning and 15 at night, with mirtazpine. She says it is better than the pills and there is no worry about sicking it back up while the band adjusts.

I think it must be better than pills because she is able to use about half what she used to use so she is down to about 30 mg a day now of liquid baclofen from a high of 150 mg a day a year ago.

I also bumped into our doctor at the hospital yesterday and he says he prescribes liquid baclofen in the UK so it is available here as liquid. That should mean it is available on prescription anywhere.

So, thanks to Lo0p. I think if we did it over again we would go with liquid from the start. We would not have had the hassle of the doctors and probably not as many side effects.

[HappyMontanian]

Phoenix Research Labs/Liquid Bac

Mine shipped today. I will report back!

[HealthyLiving]

Phoenix Research Labs/Liquid Bac

Question about titrating with liquid baclofen

I'm sure this has been asked and answered before. but how do I calculate the dosages with 20 mg/ml liquid baclofen.
so if I wanted to start out with 15 mg a day, 3 x 5 mg.
how could i do that with liquid baclofen.

thanks in advance for your help.

[Otter]

Phoenix Research Labs/Liquid Bac

1 ml contains 20 mg so you would take .75 mls three times a day.

I think that is right but I am not a mathematician.