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[momof4boys]

I have been on bac for 2 months. Got up to 120 mg per day last week. Now I am out! Have been for 2 days. I have it ordered and it is on the way. For the past day, I have felt "normal" with a huge side dose of anxiety. I drank much more tonight than I have in awhile. While titrating up I have had massive SE's of somnolence--i want to fall asleep in depositions, etc. I have the general "malaise" I don't usually have. Today, I wonder, is it better to have a thirst for life like I feel today? Or whip this MF once and for all? I hate this. But from what you all have said, keep on keeping on. Yuk. Just yuk!!

[Xadrian]

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Welcome bac, momof4.

I hope your new order will arrive very soon. Take care and keep us updated.

[TexasAg]

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Momof4 good to hear from you!

How are you getting your bac? Through prescription or online order? I'm assuming it's online order, if so when are you supposed to get it? This link is to liquid bac

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It's from a trusted friend of MWO, you might try to contact him and see how soon a shipment can be sent if your shipment will take a while. It's not good to titrate down quickly (in other words not take any). There are severe side effects for most people.

On the somnolence and malaise, these are side effects that go away with time. I've been on Bac since July and have had both SE's. Somnolence went away fairly quickly and the mailaise didn't hit me till recently but I'm happy to say is going away.

Once you hit indifference to alcohol (for me it was more of a process than a switch) this will all be worth it. JKTTP (Just keep taking the pills!)

Cheers!

[Lo0p]

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2 months - 120mg a day? 48 hours since your last dose. You are right on the boundary of baclofen withdrawal.

You might be set for seizures, hallucinations, delirium and all of that starting just about now. Drive to the nearest pharmacy. Call Dr. Levin at his office NOW (3122366675), tell him what you did and get him to prescribe you some more of those crappy ass pills that got you in to this mess. That or the ER.

You need baclofen in your system now!! If it's busy (it's likely will be, he's working) just keep on calling him. You need it now.

[Texas40]

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I have been reading this site for about a year now....have continued to drink my beer every single night and wake up every morning with the guilt and shame. I have to find a way out of this. I have been reading so much on this site regarding the Baclofan and I am really wanting to try it, but I think with my high blood pressure I will need a doctor's supervision. Are most of you able to get your doctor to prescribe it? I see where I can order the liquid, but not sure if it would work as well. Any info is appreciated. I need to find a way to regain my life for myself and for my husband and two sons! I have been living my nights drinking beer after beer for way too long.

[TexasAg]

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Howdy Tex :welcome:

I don't have blood pressure so not sure how that medicine reacts with Baclofen. Other members might be able to help. The first thing to do would be to get as much info as possible. Below are two very constructive links.


https://www.mywayout.org/community/f2...ead-50513.html

https://dl.dropbox.com/u/59463672/Prescribing-Guide-for-Baclofen-in-the-Treatment-of-Alcoholism-Don.pdf

I got a prescription from Dr. L, he's outta Chicago. He can also tell you if your medication conflicts with Baclofen.

As you might have noticed, MWO is a great source of support. You might want to start your own thread so you can give us some background.

Cheers and prayers from a fellow Texan!
:l

[Texas40]

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Thank you so much for the links. I haven't posted on the site since August...but I read it constantly to not feel so alone. I have tried so many times to give this up, but to no avail. I really want to see a light at the end of the tunnel....the very sad thing is that for so long my light beers have been that light and it disgusts me that I keep wasting so much of my life. I am hoping that I can find something that will help me with the intense cravings that set in everyday. I don't understand why I am so self destructive. I quit smoking for six weeks in the fall and I have gone right back to that as well. I have to somehow find the strength to muster up more will power than I have been able to do in the past.

Sorry for rambling....just really appreciate the response.

[TexasAg]

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T40,

You are not alone!

I tried soooo many times to give up drinking, at least once a month for the last 10 years. I've been to hundreds of AA meetings and had too many sponsors. I am a very strong willed person. I just could not stop drinking.

It wasn't until I read Dr. Ameisen's book,
BARNES & NOBLE | Heal Thyself: A Doctor at the Peak of His Medical Career, Destroyed by Alcohol--and the Personal Miracle That Brought Him Back by Ameisen | NOOK Book (eBook), Paperback ,

I accepted that this is not about will power, this is a physical disease. In my simple non medical way of thinking our brain doesn't produce the chemicals correctly. Similar to a diabetic not convertin glucose correctly. Dr. Amiesen found the medicine to help our brain produce the chemicals to ease our brain like alcohol does.

It worked for me. I'm praying it works for you.

I'm going to bump your old thread so we don't hijack Momof4.

But please ask all the questions you want.

Cheers!

[RedThread12]

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Hi, Momof4: Just now reading your last post. I want to point out in a BIG way that baclofen withdrawal is extremely hazardous, and nothing to make guesses or "tries" about. We may all be different in how it works for us and how we use it, but the critical WITHDRAWAL issues are the same. It is hazardous; physically and mentally dangerous. And if you go to the hospital or ER, they will very likely NOT understand the hi-dose thing and give you benzo's, which will do NOTHING, while you continue to go deeper into withdrawal symptoms.

The only remedy for baclofen withdrawal is bac. Really. That's it! If you are having extreme withdrawal symptoms, which can include hallucinations, extreme anxiety, seizures. Not. Good.

PLEASE check in with us and let us know how it's going. I can get some bac to you, immediately, if that's what's needed.

[lordwizzledonk]

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Newbie here so take what I say or ignore it as you please. I'm doing ntx & have never tried bac. My strength is ruthless application of the scientific method + understanding of psychology.

We all want to get there quickly but it seems like 120 is proving to be an obstacle yet isn't good enough to hit your switch. Why not be patient (it takes decades to destroy a liver), and stay at 120 or just dip down to 110 until it feels normal and you are ready to raise again, however long that is? You *may* have been able to get to a switch of, well I don't know, 200, in 3 months with perfect moves, but end up taking 6 months because you used a more conservative strategy with your bac, but if it works, who cares? Trying to be optimal is a fool's game, because if instead of 3 months to hit a putative switch of 200, you were to require 4, you just fucked up the whole experiment, which is a huge failure on average compared to having a massively higher % chance of getting to your switch but taking a little longer.

Heck, I've just joined & I'm thrilled about getting ntx, even though I do not know if/how well/how soon it will work for me. I've been told to be patient & let the scientific method do its work, or find that it does not work in my case (which would suck, and then I would get bac privately as my next move, or possibly use both). I'm going to echo that thought - if you cannot titrate up beyond 120 right now, take a deep breath, relax, think "screw it, I'll get there in the end, but 130+ isn't an option right now", think with every drink "I don't care because I'm using science" as opposed to the destructive guilt trip.

Good luck to you, to me, to all.

[lordwizzledonk]

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Also just looked up beyond the speed reading of this thread - you Texas people - "so self destructive" one of you said. The mapping of the human genome completed a while ago compared to the targeted use of ntx against (well in this case, drink) a self destructive habit was a very interesting read. The mu-opioid system in the brain usually inherits an A gene from both parents, which makes developing alcohol and drug addiction much harder, but largely renders naltrexone useless too. BUT, self destructive, highly emotional, existence hurts because it fucking well does people (I'm male by the way and this IS me), usually have at least one parent who gave them a G variant on this mu-opioid centre. I apologise if this is confusing gibberish - in simple terms, drink/drug problems are more likely in people with the G variation that is associated with self destructive behaviour on a regular basis. However, such people are very likely to respond to naltrexone compared to the people who got an A gene from both parents.

Why not try ntx if you can get it? Or bac if you can get it? Or both? Personally I think Campral is a waste of time, unless you need to get rid of some poo - it did nothing for me but it doesn't half give you the shits.

[MaryGoRound]

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Mom-

For what it is worth, I suggest plowing on with the Bac. I had problems with general indifference to life at about 110. I had really cut back on drinking but I was worried about generally not feeling anything.

My mistake...I hung out at 110 too long and started drinking again. I did get past the SEs but I also got past the indifference to drinking and started up again.

Look, in my case, there is nowhere else to go. I have to stop drinking. If it means I need to have more SEs than I will continue. Bac was working for me and I know it will again...I just need to have courage and go up.

It does seem that people reach their switch AND get past the SEs. Hearing their stories gives me faith.

[Raven2012]

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Ladies,

I may be different than others but can only relay my own experience. I am in a field that requires a high level of brainpower. When I took baclofen, I needed "naps" throught the day, and though I tried to slide slowly up to the next level it was to detrimental to my career to be yawning and trying to slip off to my car so I could steal a nap to say that this was worth it. The side effects came sooner than the benefits and this was a bad situation.

After several months of baclofen, I held on to the meds but quit taking them during the day, I found them useful - as sleeping pills! Seriously!
If I had a hard time sleeping I'd take one and be in a deep snooze with no repricussions the next morning.

I suppose that if someone had nothing going on in there life baclofen might be a good option because if you fall fast asleep at 6pm, you won't drink, but for the rest of us, that
is not really an option. I can't believe this drug is not a controlled substance because it will knock a person out in a matter of hours.

[Xadrian]

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Raven2012;1452689 wrote: I can't believe this drug is not a controlled substance because it will knock a person out in a matter of hours.

Actually it is.
You will need a doctor's prescription in most countries.

By the way, you can get alcohol without prescription in most countries. That should be a controlled substance. You agree?

[TexasAg]

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Raven2012;1452689 wrote: Ladies,

I may be different than others but can only relay my own experience. I am in a field that requires a high level of brainpower. When I took baclofen, I needed "naps" throught the day, and though I tried to slide slowly up to the next level it was to detrimental to my career to be yawning and trying to slip off to my car so I could steal a nap to say that this was worth it. The side effects came sooner than the benefits and this was a bad situation.

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Raven,

I had similar SE's with the prescription pills but was fortunate to be able to "hide" (tried not to schedule meetings at 4pm, titrated up on weekends, etc.) the tiredness at work. I have since hit indifference and titrated down. I am now using liquid bac instead of pills and can say it makes a big difference for me. In hindsight, if I could've, I would have gone with the liquid bac from the start.

I'm assuming you got your bac online without a prescription and I don't know if you're still trying to quit/control alcohol but liquid bac might be an option.

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Cheers!