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    Any Wiki experts here?

    I noticed there is no mention at all of baclofen on the Wiki page about alcoholism:

    Alcoholism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    It is mentioned as a treatment under the baclofen section. I wonder if anyone knows how to make a change on Wiki. I expect a lot of people might start out their research on alcoholism by going to that page.

    Here is what is said on Wiki about Olivier Ameisen so maybe this could be added also to the alcoholism section: In 2007, an Italian team has demonstrated the effectiveness and the safety of baclofen as a treatment for alcohol-addiction[5]
    Ameisen's treatment model has been praised by Nobel laureate for Medicine Jean Dausset who said, "Ameisen has discovered the cure for addiction". Ameisen's book has received the official endorsement of the Journal Alcohol and Alcoholism, that represents the National Council on Alcoholism and by its chief-editor, Dr. Jonathan Chick who has taken the unusual step to support Ameisen's findings in the medias (Daily Mail, The Big Issue). Prominent figures in Medicine were exasperated at the fact that addiction specialists have not fulfilled their obligation to conduct randomized trials of the only therapeutic model that could affect the deadliness of this devastating disease have publicly written: Jerome B. Posner, Chair of Neuro-oncology, George Cotzias director of the laboratory, Memorial Sloan-Kettering Cancer Center wrote in January 2009:
    "One wonders if high-dose baclofen will apparently become the treatment of choice without ever undergoing a controlled trial, simply because more and more alcoholics will be treated and the effectiveness will spread by word of mouth. If it works as well as you indicate that it does, it shouldn't need controlled trials. Even if a controlled trial were to show no overall benefit, it is clear that at least some (maybe all?) patient's do respond."
    Arguably, Dr. Posner's suspicion has turned out to be correct. An online community has evolved wherein alcoholics order the medication online and self administer the drug with support from one another and Ameisen's book. Websites like mywayout.org and thesinclairmethod.net are replete with success stories of this variety. In the UK Dr Jonathan Chick, editor-in-chief of the medical journal Alcohol and Alcoholism publicly supports Ameisen's discovery.[6] Ameisen has been awarded the French Legion of Honor by President Jacques Chirac, out of the President's personal reserve of Crosses in 1998.
    BACLOFENISTA

    baclofenuk.com

    http://www.theendofmyaddiction.org





    Olivier Ameisen

    In addiction, suppression of symptoms should suppress the disease altogether since addiction is, as he observed, a "symptom-driven disease". Of all "anticraving medications used in animals, only one - baclofen - has the unique property of suppressing the motivation to consume cocaine, heroin, alcohol, nicotine and d-amphetamine"

    #2
    Any Wiki experts here?

    That is very interesting.

    Anyone can go in and edit a wiki. You just have to be very meticulous and very accurate when it comes to your verbiage. You must also leave notes in the editor's section (history or whatever they call it) as to all kinds of seemingly asinine details like why that information belongs in that particular spot and defend yourself against the other editors.

    I've been tempted before. No time now.
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      #3
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      But as far as just functionally, how to do it goes like this: I'm pretty sure you just make an account sign in and do it. I've tried before and it took like two steps and I was "ready to edit".

      Leave a paper trail a mile long. Heaven's knows we have one that actually is 2 kilometers long...that's almost a mile isn't it?
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        #4
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        Yeah.

        It's not about "how do you edit a wiki?"

        It is about all the stuff I said above.

        If I had the time I'd swallow this like a bowl of ice cream with chunks of peanut butter cookies or brownies mixed in (ask my sister or mom). It was my turf back in the day, but I'm busy as heck now.

        This is somebody's territory, I know who it is.

        I'm going to call a name and not wait for him to raise his hand (just don't slap me with it).

        terryk. Bueler.....Buuuuuuuueler....Buuuuuuuuuuuuuuueler


        terryk lease:

        You are the one. I know you can do this.

        But heck...I mean hell (I edited the first one back to heck). You're two+ years indifferent now. I'm not saying you want to or have the time. I'm just saying that I know you can.
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          #5
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          Lo0p;1458888 wrote: Yeah.

          It's not about "how do you edit a wiki?"

          It is about all the stuff I said above.

          If I had the time I'd swallow this like a bowl of ice cream with chunks of peanut butter cookies or brownies mixed in (ask my sister or mom). It was my turf back in the day, but I'm busy as heck now.

          This is somebody's territory, I know who it is.

          I'm going to call a name and not wait for him to raise his hand (just don't slap me with it).

          terryk. Bueler.....Buuuuuuuueler....Buuuuuuuuuuuuuuueler


          terryk lease:

          You are the one. I know
          you can do this.


          But heck...I mean hell (I edited the first one back to heck). You're two+ years indifferent now. I'm not saying you want to or have the time. I'm just saying that I know you can.
          I've edited Wikipedia entries before. Easy peasy. It can be a fight, however, to push against the inertia of existing definitions and the territorial stewards that often maintain them (especially among controversial topics). I'm a little short on time anyway, but thanks for the vote of confidence.

          -tk

          p.s. hmmmmmmm........
          TerryK celebrates 6 years of sobriety and indifference to alcohol thanks to baclofen

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            #6
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            I'm pretty sure there used to be a mention of it. Is it possible to look at older versions of the same page?

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              #7
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              terryk;1458908 wrote: It can be a fight, however, to push against the inertia of existing definitions and the territorial stewards that often maintain them (especially among controversial topics).
              That's the major hurdle. Especially on that page. I'm know Robert Rappellan got a mention of TSM in there successfully. I'm not sure it is still standing to this day.

              bleep;1458971 wrote:
              I'm pretty sure there used to be a mention of it. Is it possible to look at older versions of the same page?
              Yes. I don't think you even have to be an editor to look at the revision history. I think it's just a tab at the top.

              edit: Yes you can, but there's hundreds of them. I noticed Rappellan's mention is still in there under Medications and Naltrexone but it is a snippet compared to what it used to be in '09.
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                #8
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                I don't see why it is about shifting opinions. It is a fact that baclofen is being used to treat alcoholism. That doesn't require asserting it is a cure. it is just a matter of fact that people use it and doctors are prescribing it. That shouldn't be hard to add to the page. It doesn't have to include any suggestion it is a cure, but, again, it is a fact that some people claim it is one.
                BACLOFENISTA

                baclofenuk.com

                http://www.theendofmyaddiction.org





                Olivier Ameisen

                In addiction, suppression of symptoms should suppress the disease altogether since addiction is, as he observed, a "symptom-driven disease". Of all "anticraving medications used in animals, only one - baclofen - has the unique property of suppressing the motivation to consume cocaine, heroin, alcohol, nicotine and d-amphetamine"

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                  #9
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                  Have a look at the revision history.

                  It certainly belongs there, but the verbiage and paper trail need to be exact and "defended".
                  :nutso: I take pride in my humility :nutso:
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                    #10
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                    Why not just copy over the stuff on the Ameisen page? It is defended.
                    BACLOFENISTA

                    baclofenuk.com

                    http://www.theendofmyaddiction.org





                    Olivier Ameisen

                    In addiction, suppression of symptoms should suppress the disease altogether since addiction is, as he observed, a "symptom-driven disease". Of all "anticraving medications used in animals, only one - baclofen - has the unique property of suppressing the motivation to consume cocaine, heroin, alcohol, nicotine and d-amphetamine"

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