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    From Zero to ??? w/Liquid Bac

    When I started taking bac, back in the age of dinosaurs (:H, ok, '09), there was pretty much only one way to get it, and that was to order offshore. My first order was from Inhouse Pharmacy, I think, and they sent 10 mg pills. Which was great for starting to titrate up. Since then, it seems as if the recommended titration rate is much reduced from Dr. Ameisen's 10-10-10 start point. I'm grateful that, for whatever reason, my body could handle that. I quit drinking alcoholically from day 1; and I had almost no side-effects - and those I had I pretty much enjoyed! Although I have managed 2 VERY unpleasant overdoses - one with pills and one with liquid. Do. Not. Recommend.

    It occurs to me that for anyone introducing liquid bac to their own kangaroo, or gorilla, etc, from the very beginning, it's important to figure out a reliable way to measure small doses, consistently. I've seen liquid bac in 40 mg bac/ml and 20. At 40 mg bac/ml, even .5 ml is 20 mg bac. Which is a LOT more than recommended, at the beginning. I think the latest from Dr. L. is even to start at 5 mg/day. (Sometime can correct me, or help me find a link to that info ?).

    Until individual doses get higher, here's an idea for small and consistent doses:

    Buy a sports bottle that has ML markings on the side. If the liquid bac is 40 mg/ml put 800 ml water, or sports water, or whatever you like, into it. Then add 1 ml bac. Each 100 ml of from that bottle will equal 5 mg bac. Liquid bac at 20 mg/ml would require 1/2 that amount, 400 ml, of liquid to produce the same 5 mg/100 ml dose.

    Just make sure you shake the heck out the bottle each time your pour (or drink) your 100 ml/5mg dose. This is also a pretty great idea for transporting liquid bac around during the day. This is the kind of bottle I'm talking about: Amazon.com: Nalgene Tritan Wide Mouth BPA-Free Water Bottle: Sports & Outdoors Not promoting an sports-bottle maker, but I do like it's environmental qualities!

    I actually have 2 prescriptions (ssshhhh) for baclofen - one for 80 mg/day from a local doctor, and one for massive amounts each month from Dr. L. They both wrote my scripts for 20 mg pills, so it's not nearly the "bargain" of the 10 mg pills. But all that said, I STILL prefer, use, and buy liquid bac (but only for my kangaroo, who is a mess!).

    Hope that's useful info for someone . . . especially new folks who have the incredible resource of liquid baclofen from "go!" Onward! Toward never drinking against your will, again!! EVER!!
    "Wherever you are is the entry point." --Kabir

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    From Zero to ??? w/Liquid Bac

    Thanks for this. Got the liquid bac today and was searching for thread to figure it out. A little nervous about leaving a big jug of liquid bac out...but will keep it out of the way until I am at a higher dose that doesn't require the chemistry. Here goes nothin'...

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      #3
      From Zero to ??? w/Liquid Bac

      I'll bet'cha' it's not "nuthin." !!! Please keep us posted. All the best to you on Your Way Out.
      "Wherever you are is the entry point." --Kabir

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        #4
        From Zero to ??? w/Liquid Bac

        dundrinkn;1461083 wrote: Thanks for this. Got the liquid bac today and was searching for thread to figure it out. A little nervous about leaving a big jug of liquid bac out...but will keep it out of the way until I am at a higher dose that doesn't require the chemistry. Here goes nothin'...
        Keep us posted on your progress. It sure works for me and I'm hoping the same is true for you. What a relief not to have the over whelming compulsion to drink anymore!!!
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          #5
          From Zero to ??? w/Liquid Bac

          I hope you people are talking about actual, pharmaceutical grade liquid baclofen. Because the stuff from our store is not for humans. Seriously, I heard that it is made with slave labor in Alibaba land. And it's for monkeys, rats dogs and if needed payment for the slave laborers.

          But any way, it is a liquid sold for research purposes and if anyone is using it in any manner inconsistent with the the agreement that you "read and understood" before purchasing then I'd have no choice but to ban you as a customer. Which might be why you run around with aliases, and probably have secret conversations about how stupid I must be...

          Back to research. To further that end I decided to order some 1mL (One mL) oral droppers. They are great for measuring very small dosages and are graduated with a very real line at every .1mL (tenth of a milliliter):



          This is a 1mL oral dropper that I've had laying around for a year. The first things to go on them are the #'s: Especially when they gets wet.

          1/8 of a mL is 5 mg in a 40 mg solution. That would be if you pulled the plunger back to .1mL then 2 hash marks further. On real ones, that haven't been hiding in the back of a drawer for a year, there is a numbered mark for every .1 or 1/10th of a mL and 4 hash marks in between. Technically one eighth is of an mL is .125mL. It's pulled to 3.5 mark right now in the picture which would be what?...14mg? [Grabs calculator] Yup. You can split 1mL which is one cc and one gram (if it's water at what temp COS? ) 50 ways with one of these things.

          Anyway, If you would like some of them just let me know how many and I'll send you a cute little invoice for, let's say...oh...$1 a piece plus 44 cents for first class mail envelope postage. Nvm, just send $1 for every one you want and 47 cents and they'll be on the way. Or if you would like on one top of or all of them to be 1mL droppers in your order. Let me know during the ordering process.

          Finally...with all of that being said. I must say that I am a much more reliable shipper :kudos: than some other people and I have 8 dispensing syringes left total until tomorrow or the next day even though I ordered them priority and they told me they would go out Friday.
          Argggh.

          I hate waiting for packages! :damn: For too long my life held in the balance.

          Shoot, I'll just make a $1 item real quick in my store.
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            #6
            From Zero to ??? w/Liquid Bac

            That's great info, thanks. And I can vouch for Lo0p being a great shipper. I placed my order Saturday morning, had an immediate email about a display error in my shipping address, and I received the package yesterday (Monday).

            The syringes look great although I haven't tried them yet. I look forward to trying them on my pets and slave labor.

            Lo0p;1461569 wrote:
            Anyway, If you would like some of them just let me know how many and I'll send you a cute little invoice for, let's say...oh...$1 a piece plus 44 cents for first class mail envelope postage. Nvm, just send $1 for every one you want and 47 cents and they'll be on the way. Or if you would like on one top of or all of them to be 1mL droppers in your order. Let me know during the ordering process.

            Finally...with all of that being said. I must say that I am a much more reliable shipper :kudos: than some other people and I have 8 dispensing syringes left total until tomorrow or the next day even though I ordered them priority and they told me they would go out Friday. Argggh.

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              #7
              From Zero to ??? w/Liquid Bac

              Hope this helps with the calculations!

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                #8
                From Zero to ??? w/Liquid Bac

                I just want to thank Lo0p for the supply. It turned out to be a God send. My wife had gastric band surgery in November and we came across posts on a gastric band forum from people saying they had turned to drink after surgery. The problem is they overfill the bands and people can't get anything down. This results in throwing up the meds as well so it was great to have a supply of liquid baclofen which absorbs in the mouth. I expect the reason people turn to drink is it is the only thing that gets past the band and gives you enough energy to keep going. If you are considering this surgery please be careful as we had a terrible time over Christmas with it because it stopped the meds from getting through.

                It certainly showed that baclofen works when you take it and doesn't work when you don't!!! And, the dose of liquid baclofen is about half that of the pills for some reason.
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                Olivier Ameisen

                In addiction, suppression of symptoms should suppress the disease altogether since addiction is, as he observed, a "symptom-driven disease". Of all "anticraving medications used in animals, only one - baclofen - has the unique property of suppressing the motivation to consume cocaine, heroin, alcohol, nicotine and d-amphetamine"

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                  From Zero to ??? w/Liquid Bac

                  Otter; wrote: And, the dose of liquid baclofen is about half that of the pills for some reason.
                  That's because it's being taken sublingually and bypassing the GI tract. What worries me about avoiding the first pass effect is the fact that the liver is bypassed. Should I be worried? I ain't no medico, so if one is reading this please do add your two cents/thruppence. Ta!
                  "My fault, my failure, is not in the passions I have, but in my lack of control of them." Jack Kerouac

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                    #10
                    From Zero to ??? w/Liquid Bac

                    I am still confused...I have the 20 mg/ml liquid. If I need to take 20 mg what is that on the syringe?

                    I am sure it is easy to figure out, but it is just not making sense to me right now!

                    Thanks!!
                    "What lies behind us and what lies before us are small matters compared to what lies within us." Ralph Waldo Emerson

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                      #11
                      From Zero to ??? w/Liquid Bac

                      taw;1469018 wrote: I am still confused...I have the 20 mg/ml liquid. If I need to take 20 mg what is that on the syringe?

                      I am sure it is easy to figure out, but it is just not making sense to me right now!

                      Thanks!!
                      I believe that would be 1ml on the syringe, but I'll let someone with more experience confirm that. :P

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                        #12
                        From Zero to ??? w/Liquid Bac

                        Thanks! That's what I thought, but wasn't sure!
                        "What lies behind us and what lies before us are small matters compared to what lies within us." Ralph Waldo Emerson

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                          #13
                          From Zero to ??? w/Liquid Bac

                          Hey Taw!

                          I don't have the littlest clue, but I'm pretty sure it's on the thread Lo0p started about phoenix!

                          Nice to *see* you! :l

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                            #14
                            From Zero to ??? w/Liquid Bac

                            Hi Ne!!!

                            Nice to be seen, and to see you again! Giving this another go! Hopefully the liquid is as good as everyone says it is and will be my way out!!
                            "What lies behind us and what lies before us are small matters compared to what lies within us." Ralph Waldo Emerson

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                              #15
                              From Zero to ??? w/Liquid Bac

                              taw;1469174 wrote: Hi Ne!!!

                              Nice to be seen, and to see you again! Giving this another go! Hopefully the liquid is as good as everyone says it is and will be my way out!!
                              It sure does the trick for me. I tried going off and the drinking thoughts came back. I'm going back up on my dose. I was at a maintenance of 50mgs per day so I will probably have to go up over that for awhile. We shall see. I'll take what ever it takes to stop those compulsive thoughts!
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