Baclofen nearly destroyed my life

[onequart]

Baclofen nearly destroyed my life

For the few here who really cares about the science and evidence of addiction, I recommend this blog: Substance Matters: Science and Addiction . Unfortunately there is nothing about baclofen, or any other specific medication for alcoholism, but the posts are well worth reading. The blogger now work in the trenches, but had spent years as the addiction head honcho at NIH. (Please, please do not inundate his site with Bac stuff.)

I also recommend a new book about addiction: "Inside Rehab", Inside Rehab: The Surprising Truth About Addiction Treatment-and How to Get Help That Works: Anne M. Fletcher: 9780670025220: Amazon.com: Books , which has nothing to say about Bac, but gives insights about the current state of treatment for alcoholics.

[Hippyman]

Baclofen nearly destroyed my life

:alf::applaud::crazymonkey::naughtfeet::gramps:Ott er my pal, are you sure you don't want to reconsider the sex thing? After all, it is humpday!...sorry, bad joke. Hippy go to your room NOW!!! :H

Otter;1465960 wrote: No, I would never have sex with you or your alter egos.

[Xadrian]

Baclofen nearly destroyed my life

I noticed my last post and also a post of Otter, as well as a post of the troll were removed within 30 seconds.
Although all 3 posts weren't nice, it is a clear proof that this forum is being moderated and subject to censorship.

[Otter]

Baclofen nearly destroyed my life

Hippyman

rofl:goodjob:

[COSGringo]

Baclofen nearly destroyed my life

Wow, I am surprised. I have not seen a mod in these parts in a long time. The only thing I can guess is one of our posters either got mod rights or has an in with the mod.

Guess that is good but why not mod the trolls then? I am pretty sure sure onequart is a quart short of a full gallon if you know what I mean.

[Otter]

Baclofen nearly destroyed my life

Xadrian;1465968 wrote: I noticed my last post and also a post of Otter, as well as a post of the troll were removed within 30 seconds.
Although all 3 posts weren't nice, it is a clear proof that this forum is being moderated and subject to censorship.

It does work. I reported One Quart because it is illegal in some countries to post stuff like that. Apart from it just being deliberately offensive, rude and stupid.

And thanks to the moderators!!

[COSGringo]

Baclofen nearly destroyed my life

Otter;1465973 wrote: It does work. I reported One Quart because it is illegal in some countries to post stuff like that. Apart from it just being deliberately offensive, rude and stupid.

Good for you. Glad someone gets a response.
Thx Otter.

Oh and I am not trying to start some flame war here. I don't know what was posted or deleted. I have no opinion whether it should or shouldn't have been taken off.
I have always thought there should be some modding going on here. I have sent in requests before that fell on deaf ears.

[Xadrian]

Baclofen nearly destroyed my life

Otter;1465973 wrote: It does work. I reported One Quart because it is illegal in some countries to post stuff like that. Apart from it just being deliberately offensive, rude and stupid.

Can be, but apart for calling onequart names, I explained a founded point, which now also has disappeared.

Well let me try to rephrase that point without being too rude (I guess that my diagnosis that onequarts nickname is probablyderived from his brain volume will still be within the rules of the forum?)

My point is that even seeing my little children watching their father drunk couldn't get me off the alcohol for more than 5 days. Even not with the help of the green tea the troll suggests.
With baclofen after a while I just stopped drinking. How would the troll explain that? Placebo effect? If the sight of my children suffering from my disease couldn't stop me from drinking, does the troll really think that a placebo would have helped?

The statement of the troll that 50% of the alcoholics eventually stops without any medication and therefore doesn't work, is just as founded as stating that viagra doesn't work and eventually 50% of all humans will get an erection without medication.

Most people here know from experience about what we are talking and are the living proof that the stuff works.
Other people, like the troll don't have experience and just link some books and think that from some theory they read, that it is the only truth. (It just came to my mind that most religions do too).

The troll in question's intention does not appear to wanting to discuss if baclofen or other meds work, but only to piss off people, in which he/she in my case succeeded.
He/she is messing with people who have a serious disease or who have been cured from that disease and that makes him/her a really sick person.

Well, I hope that the troll will be cured from whatever psychic disease I suspect he/she has and I really wish he/she never gets to the point where we got: The last hope of getting cured, or otherwise die from alcoholism.

[COSGringo]

Baclofen nearly destroyed my life

Agreed. Tough to not to throw something out there when you have a troll trying to elicit a response. I guess it's pointless to debate someone like that.

I think it's definite that baclofen makes a difference. I can look back at where I was. I did not want to go through what I did with bac but it was worth it. It sure wasn't placebo.

I am not sure we can put a dent in his stance though.

[Otter]

Baclofen nearly destroyed my life

There isn't any point discussing anythlng with him because it is all BS. He is doing this to disrupt this forum, not because he doesn't believe in baclofen.

[COSGringo]

Baclofen nearly destroyed my life

Now that's where the modding should kick in. An individual like that should simply get banned.

That's what happens in other forums but it is what it is.

Still glad MWO is here either way.

[Cassander]

Baclofen nearly destroyed my life

onequart;1465844 wrote: For the few here who really cares about the science and evidence of addiction, I recommend this blog: Substance Matters: Science and Addiction . Unfortunately there is nothing about baclofen, or any other specific medication for alcoholism, but the posts are well worth reading. The blogger now work in the trenches, but had spent years as the addiction head honcho at NIH. (Please, please do not inundate his site with Bac stuff.)

...

I hate to engage with the troll, but he is wrong on so many points it is hard to resist. For one, he states that "there is nothing about baclofen, or any other specific medication for alcoholism" on the blog which he links.

In fact, the blogger wrote in 2011:

"This new research identifies how cocaine changes the configuration of receptors and function in the reward areas of the brain. It adds to the evidence that an increase in glutamate is a key feature of addiction. Some of the medications currently used for alcohol dependence, such as topiramate, baclofen and acamprosate, may work by helping to restore the balance between glutamate and GABA."

I hope that newbies and lurkers coming here for information and support will recognize that onequart is a troll who neither cares about reasonable and open inquiry, nor about facts, nor about the truth, and will ignore him.

[COSGringo]

Baclofen nearly destroyed my life

Funny thing is this is the most activity I've seen on the forum in a long time.

I hate to think it took a troll to do this but perhaps we can keep things more active here. It would probably help the newcomers.

I agree Cassander.

[Xadrian]

Baclofen nearly destroyed my life

I was thinking about his nickname.
Maybe I am wrong and his nickname hasn't to do anything with his brain volume. Maybe it is just one of his 4 personalities ventilating using this nick.
It makes perfect sense!
I wonder what the nicknames of his other 3 personalities are.

[Ne/Neva Eva]

Baclofen nearly destroyed my life

Xadrian;1466025 wrote:
I wonder what the nicknames of his other 3 personalities are.

Chaos, desperados, and Golfmonster

A troll with an agenda that seems to be the simple thing of discouraging people from using baclofen. The names may change. The object stays the same. It's very sad and confusing.