Baclofen nearly destroyed my life

[COSGringo]

Baclofen nearly destroyed my life

Ne- so true. It's sad it's present. Not so much for the vets but for newcomers.

Just from hatred and boredom I guess. How sad that person's life must be?

[Xadrian]

Baclofen nearly destroyed my life

Ne/Neva Eva;1466060 wrote: Chaos, desperados, and Golfmonster

I have reasons to disagree about Chaos being a troll.

[TexasAg]

Baclofen nearly destroyed my life

GolfMonster;1463142 wrote:
In the absence of hard and strong evidence from placebo controlled trials (not marginally positive ones), I think it is unethical for anyone to be pushing this stuff unless the target individual is at the very last resort i.e. tried abstinence based programs and repeatedly failed. Otherwise an abstinence program should be the recommendation.

GM,

My college roommate, Alex, died in July from alcohol just as I was starting Baclofen. He went the AA abstinence route as you recommended. The problem is no one pushed "this stuff" to him even though he was at last resort. How many more family and friends have to die until you get your controlled trials so doctors like yourself can "push this stuff".

I'm sorry Baclofen did not work for you. I'm happy abstinence is working for you. I agree with Windy that there are many routes up the mountain. But I think it is unethical on your part not to recognize Baclofen works on many people. You may not agree but Dr. A and Dr. L have countless people walking around thankful for them. The sad part is you are in a position to offer options to patients that are at last resort, but will you.

But for the Grace of God, go I.

[Xadrian]

Baclofen nearly destroyed my life

Instead of having to prove baclofen works (which a lot of us already did prove):
Prove that it doesn't work.

[Hippyman]

Baclofen nearly destroyed my life

:thanks:It's very nice of you to find that info and to share it with us!:goodjob:

Cassander;1466011 wrote: I hate to engage with the troll, but he is wrong on so many points it is hard to resist. For one, he states that "there is nothing about baclofen, or any other specific medication for alcoholism" on the blog which he links.

In fact, the blogger wrote in 2011:

"This new research identifies how cocaine changes the configuration of receptors and function in the reward areas of the brain. It adds to the evidence that an increase in glutamate is a key feature of addiction. Some of the medications currently used for alcohol dependence, such as topiramate, baclofen and acamprosate, may work by helping to restore the balance between glutamate and GABA."

I hope that newbies and lurkers coming here for information and support will recognize that onequart is a troll who neither cares about reasonable and open inquiry, nor about facts, nor about the truth, and will ignore him.

[Xadrian]

Baclofen nearly destroyed my life

[QUOTE=onequart]
.....If using this medication might save a life, .....

Show the evidence.
QUOTE]

Show the evindence it doesn't.

[Otter]

Baclofen nearly destroyed my life

He is one quart short of a full pint.

[Otter]

Baclofen nearly destroyed my life

GolfMonster;1463142 wrote: Hi

Just think that I should put a little bit of balance to this alcohol drug treatment forum. BACLOFEN NEARLY DESTROYED MY LIFE. I followed the titration schedule and got up to about 250 mg/day. Problem is, I nearly lost my job as a result of the side effects: falling asleep at work, dizziness (tripping over), unable to think properly etc and general poor performance. As a result of that (and probably also a direct baclofen brain effect), I developed a serious anxiety problem when titrating down and I'm still plagued by it. Admittedly, this new anxiety/depression may have been a progression of my alcoholism, but I don't think so.

I stopped baclofen and decided to stop messing around with any of these drugs. Since April, about 6 drinking days and none since September. I still take baclofen 20 mg as required, but I would love to get off it but I still need it for anxiety. In an attempt at getting off it, my psych has started an SSRI. I am hoping.....

Anyway off alcohol through occasional antabuse, the odd support group meeting and SMART recovery.

The regulars on this forum will say "you didn't use it properly" etc etc, but the truth is is that many people are messing around with this stuff with false hope and it will NEVER work for them.

Bring on the controlled trials.... If you look at the evidence for baclofen, like all other drug treatments for alcohol the evidence is very soft. Yes statistically significant findings (or case reports!) but clinically meaningful (significant) treatment effects for most people? Not really.

In the absence of hard and strong evidence from placebo controlled trials (not marginally positive ones), I think it is unethical for anyone to be pushing this stuff unless the target individual is at the very last resort i.e. tried abstinence based programs and repeatedly failed. Otherwise an abstinence program should be the recommendation. Abstinence has little in the way of harmful side effects. I'm not entirely at ease with abstinence, but at least I still have my family intact and a good job. I'm expecting things to pick up as it does for most people after they get past the first year or 2 of abstinence. I am also encouraged to hear that many people who have gone several years without alcohol report minimal in the way of preoccupation and craving for it (i.e. they don't report the "white knuckling" as portrayed by the proponents of TSM)

I'm expecting the regulars here to shoot me down, but I just thought people who are considering baclofen, or are not getting the result they hoped should hear stories like mine.

All the best everyone............

You can take your double blind, triple deaf, stupid effing trials and shove them up your posterior orifice.

You can now see visually what baclofen does so why waste everybody's time with your stupid inane posts. GO AWAY, but before you do, watch this and learn something.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=WXxxcElL7Cs[/video]]HBO The Science of Relapse - YouTube

YOU and your alter egos are part of the toxic addictive environment.

Baclofen changed my life. Grow a brain and figure out how to use it properly and stop trying to kill people through ignorance like the rest of the insensitive, ignorant people who JUST DON'T CARE.

[caro]

Baclofen nearly destroyed my life

Hi Otter,

I have just watched the You Tube video you posted. Thank you so much, it is really helpful.

Best wishes

Caro

[Otter]

Baclofen nearly destroyed my life

You are welcomel. It is excellent. Thanks to MWO member Don Quixote for posting it to Youtube.

The lady at the end is Dr. Childress who Olivier Ameisen spoke to about baclofen. This was the experiment she was doing at the time and she told him to get in touch with the doctors testing baclofen. The rest is history.

[dundrinkn]

Baclofen nearly destroyed my life

Wow Otter. Very amazing video. Thanks for posting it and for fighting the good fight.

[Otter]

Baclofen nearly destroyed my life

I found this photo on the web and put it as my avatar. It is the Egyptian god Horus riding a horse and slaying Seth. It is from the Louvre in Paris and is said to be the origin of St George slaying the dragon. The theme is that good defeats evil every day when the sun, Horus, rises, defeating the forces of darkness and evil, Seth. I thought it was a good theme for our little fight with the trolls.

[Hippyman]

Baclofen nearly destroyed my life

:goodjob: Looking good!

Otter;1466147 wrote: I found this photo on the web and put it as my avatar. It is the Egyptian god Horus riding a horse and slaying Seth. It is from the Louvre in Paris and is said to be the origin of St George slaying the dragon. The theme is that good defeats evil every day when the sun, Horus, rises, defeating the forces of darkness and evil, Seth. I thought it was a good theme for our little fight with the trolls.

[kronkcarr]

Baclofen nearly destroyed my life

Otter,
WOW! Just watched the video. A million thanks.
kronkcarr

[TexasAg]

Baclofen nearly destroyed my life

Great video! I just forwarded to many people!

Cheers!