Baclofen nearly destroyed my life
You could do that without ever having started baclofen. Hell, that's necessary for people who don't even have addictions. Don't mislead people to believe coming off from baclofen is easy after long periods of high doses. Why would these doctors change their mind that baclofen should be used indefinitely.
Ne/Neva Eva;1526706 wrote:
Might I suggest that you start there?
/>Regardless of what you do to take care of yourself, continuing to spread information that isn't actually factual, but is written in a way that might indicate that you have some special knowledge, may actually harm other human beings. Why would you do that?
EDIT: For those reading this at a later date, please note On.Bac's other posts regarding his titration, the amounts and reasons he takes baclofen and other medications, the erroneous information he shares regarding the way baclofen works and why we take it.In other words disregard anything i've said, protect your forum, your reputation and this gabaergic drug. How about taking a look on google and outside of this place. How about not trusting me nor Ne, or any other member from this board and do your own research. Look into baclofen withdrawal, Google gabaergic drug withdrawal. This is no different than xanax or any other benzo or even what it's meant to cure, alcohol. The difference lies in that it's not "addictive" meaning that you do not crave it. That's what NE has a problem with. It's easier to stop because you most likley won't relapse due to craving. Other than that FACT, the same applies as any other gabaergic drug. I have been through withdrawal. I am currently taking the medicine, none of that matters though. Do your own research and look elsewhere than just one source, one forum, one person. Regardless of what their status is.
Ne is not a neuroscientist, a doctor, a pharmacist. She's an ex alcoholic who even debated at one time she would sober to her friend who also quit alcohol at the same time without drugs. She claimed she was sober even though she was taking baclofen. Leaning on a drug and starting another "addiction" is not being sober. Living healthy is without drugs, some of us cannot do that due to addictive personalitys, mental problems, health problems. Let's not lie to people and tell them that baclofen is not addictive, when they hear you say that and they decide to get "addicted" to it, which in my eyes means you need it to get through the day, to survive without going in withdrawal, you're lying to yourself and everyone else. Some people even hide their baclofen use.
When i give people things to think about that doesn't praise this medicine, i find I'm ridiculed, discredited, and outcast. Which is fine because i goto college where I expect people to disagree with me, but to prove me wrong with sources and literature. That's not how this place works. I'm proved wrong by forum lovers who just say, "hes wrong" based on the merit they want to protect the drug.
If went from alcohlic to baclofen, you're not drug free. You need a chemical substance to make you feel "normal" and when you play with gaba, you're in for hell as it's the worst withdrawal out there. Dispute me if you will, but this drug has worse and longer lasting withdrawal effects than heroin, opiates, and any other hard drug you can think of. It's almost identical to benzo withdrawal. Which is the longest withdrawal of all drugs.
Be warned, once you start, you can taper, without craving, but it will be painful and your body will need you to taper very slowly, maybe even over the course of a year, so be prepared to have a long standing script for it, and it's not going to be fun.
Baclofen - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
I suggest googling baclofen withdrawal. For each year you take it, you can expect to add an extra month of withdrawal even after slow taper. Never trust anyone. But don't discredit the OP just because he had something negative to say. We're not trying to hide the bad are we? That's just not fair to people who come here for "help".
Ne/Neva Eva;1526706 wrote: Hello again, On.Bac.
Your post is interesting but it's also full of a bunch of factual errors.
Please elebarate on my erroneous "facts".
I know that baclofen is not addictive, but that is misleading to an innocent bystander. Baclofen is physically dependant. Being a gold member on a drugs forum, I am more than aware of the difference in definition. If you were to tell someone, here start taking this medicine, it's not addictive. That would lead them to believe they can stop taking it and be fine, I misuse the term addictive on purpose, because you cannot live without it. The correct terminology is dependant. Your body becomes physically dependent on this substance because it agonizes your gaba recepter and your body stops producing it naturally. In essence, there has never been a such thing as drug withdrawal, there is only neurotransmitters that are insufficiently balanced and handicapped, causing you to need a drug for your body to produce that.
Ne/Neva Eva;1526706 wrote:
Most of us here titrate down after we have successfully treated our own addictions. Some people, myself included, found therapy/meditation/exercise/nutrition etc. a good adjunct to that so that we could remain healthy and happy without the crutch of addiction.
Your post is interesting but it's also full of a bunch of factual errors.
Please elebarate on my erroneous "facts".
Ne/Neva Eva;1526706 wrote:
moot anyway. I say that because you came here to tell us all about baclofen without (apparently) any interest in participating or learning.
I am expected to keep my mouth shut and be docile? I post what I know through personal experience, and from my research, you're still on baclofen. What do you know about coming off from it?
If you took the time to read and respect me as an equal, i have explained that I don't have a very secure long term supply. I was forced into withdrawal from a high doseage, and on my mediocre 80mg doseage isn't assured for life either. Out of fear that the doctor would rapidly taper me in the near future, which almost came to pass, I began tapering myself. I explained i did not taper fast, i went 10mg at a time every 2 weeks, then 5mg and at 20mg i lowered that to 2.5mg every 2 weeks. The reason I am tapering at this schedule is because at high doses I would not have had enough baclofen to taper myself safely. Now that I'm below 20mg, I feel i can take my time, although the past week i decided to reinstate baclofen because of my normal anxiety interferring with my life and i have found baclofen cures my anxiety better than benzos.
Ne/Neva Eva;1526706 wrote:
It doesn't surprise me at all that you continue to insist that baclofen is addictive, though we know, and the doctors know, and the researchers have proved that baclofen is not addictive. It seems like everything you write about it--from scoring it to having enough of it to stay at a certain level of it forever, is based on the kind of thinking that used to keep me drunk and miserable.
moot anyway. I say that because you came here to tell us all about baclofen without (apparently) any interest in participating or learning.
I am expected to keep my mouth shut and be docile? I post what I know through personal experience, and from my research, you're still on baclofen. What do you know about coming off from it?
Ne/Neva Eva;1526706 wrote:
Since you seem to know the general gist of this stuff (that messing with your gaba can really mess you up if you're not conscientious) I wonder why on earth you would titrate down so dramatically, even though you had a doctor's prescription, and even though it was working for you.
Since you seem to know the general gist of this stuff (that messing with your gaba can really mess you up if you're not conscientious) I wonder why on earth you would titrate down so dramatically, even though you had a doctor's prescription, and even though it was working for you.
Ne/Neva Eva;1526706 wrote:
It doesn't surprise me at all that you continue to insist that baclofen is addictive, though we know, and the doctors know, and the researchers have proved that baclofen is not addictive. It seems like everything you write about it--from scoring it to having enough of it to stay at a certain level of it forever, is based on the kind of thinking that used to keep me drunk and miserable.
Ne/Neva Eva;1526706 wrote:
Most of us here titrate down after we have successfully treated our own addictions. Some people, myself included, found therapy/meditation/exercise/nutrition etc. a good adjunct to that so that we could remain healthy and happy without the crutch of addiction.
Ne/Neva Eva;1526706 wrote:
Might I suggest that you start there?
/>Regardless of what you do to take care of yourself, continuing to spread information that isn't actually factual, but is written in a way that might indicate that you have some special knowledge, may actually harm other human beings. Why would you do that?
EDIT: For those reading this at a later date, please note On.Bac's other posts regarding his titration, the amounts and reasons he takes baclofen and other medications, the erroneous information he shares regarding the way baclofen works and why we take it.In other words disregard anything i've said, protect your forum, your reputation and this gabaergic drug. How about taking a look on google and outside of this place. How about not trusting me nor Ne, or any other member from this board and do your own research. Look into baclofen withdrawal, Google gabaergic drug withdrawal. This is no different than xanax or any other benzo or even what it's meant to cure, alcohol. The difference lies in that it's not "addictive" meaning that you do not crave it. That's what NE has a problem with. It's easier to stop because you most likley won't relapse due to craving. Other than that FACT, the same applies as any other gabaergic drug. I have been through withdrawal. I am currently taking the medicine, none of that matters though. Do your own research and look elsewhere than just one source, one forum, one person. Regardless of what their status is.
Ne is not a neuroscientist, a doctor, a pharmacist. She's an ex alcoholic who even debated at one time she would sober to her friend who also quit alcohol at the same time without drugs. She claimed she was sober even though she was taking baclofen. Leaning on a drug and starting another "addiction" is not being sober. Living healthy is without drugs, some of us cannot do that due to addictive personalitys, mental problems, health problems. Let's not lie to people and tell them that baclofen is not addictive, when they hear you say that and they decide to get "addicted" to it, which in my eyes means you need it to get through the day, to survive without going in withdrawal, you're lying to yourself and everyone else. Some people even hide their baclofen use.
When i give people things to think about that doesn't praise this medicine, i find I'm ridiculed, discredited, and outcast. Which is fine because i goto college where I expect people to disagree with me, but to prove me wrong with sources and literature. That's not how this place works. I'm proved wrong by forum lovers who just say, "hes wrong" based on the merit they want to protect the drug.
If went from alcohlic to baclofen, you're not drug free. You need a chemical substance to make you feel "normal" and when you play with gaba, you're in for hell as it's the worst withdrawal out there. Dispute me if you will, but this drug has worse and longer lasting withdrawal effects than heroin, opiates, and any other hard drug you can think of. It's almost identical to benzo withdrawal. Which is the longest withdrawal of all drugs.
Be warned, once you start, you can taper, without craving, but it will be painful and your body will need you to taper very slowly, maybe even over the course of a year, so be prepared to have a long standing script for it, and it's not going to be fun.
Discontinuation of baclofen can be associated with a withdrawal syndrome which resembles benzodiazepine withdrawal and alcohol withdrawal. Which is why you won't have withdrawal from alcohol with you "switch" should be taken as a literal meaning. If you want, you can also "switch" to xanax, they all work at the same receptor site.
I suggest googling baclofen withdrawal. For each year you take it, you can expect to add an extra month of withdrawal even after slow taper. Never trust anyone. But don't discredit the OP just because he had something negative to say. We're not trying to hide the bad are we? That's just not fair to people who come here for "help".
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