An Open Letter to Newbies, Lurkers, and...Everyone Else Too

[LibraryGirl]

An Open Letter to Newbies, Lurkers, and...Everyone Else Too

Congratulations and thank you. You have inspired many.:l

[Otter]

An Open Letter to Newbies, Lurkers, and...Everyone Else Too

We had 10 years of trying to get off alcohol without baclofen and guess what. It profoundly DID NOT WORK.

Well done to WCL. No one says will power and other meds don't have a part, but so does compassion and understanding as opposed to misinformation and trying to knock people down who are finding their way out of this hell with a life saving medical treatment. It give people back the ability to use their own will power.

[redhead77]

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Hi Windy,

I'm glad to see you're alive, and not just that, but thriving. You're a beautiful woman. I was so happy to see faces who haven't posted in forever come out after reading your post. You do that for people!

Congrats on your year of sobriety. I've read your dilemmas and don't think you're doing much differently than I would do in your shoes. Nobody is perfect, right?

Just keep on truckin'. :l

Much love,

Redhead

[onequart]

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StuckinLA;1466124 wrote: Why on earth would anyone stop talking about meds that can help people who are sick? I've seen people get sober on their own. I've seen people who swear by all that is holy that the only reason they are sober is AA. I've seen people become sober with bac when they thought nothing else could do it. And I personally have experienced how bac can actually stop you from "drinking against your will," to borrow a phrase that was popular on MWO a while back. But in my case there was a twist: I actually wanted to keep drinking. My will was to moderate and bac stopped me from drinking, against my own will to drink.

Now, that doesn't happen for everyone, and not everyone can tolerate the other aspects of bac, myself included. But that's why we're all talking about options--on this thread specifically and on MWO generally. And if low-dose bac can make the difference between having time to pause and reflect and decide to not drink, and heart-stopping cravings that reduce you to tears and make a drink inevitable, then that's yet another option to try.

Otherwise, what, just encourage those who can stop on their own to do so, and let everyone else die drunk? Now, if you want to die drunk, by all means go ahead and do so. You'll probably need a few more quarts than just the one, but we each make our own choices. And those who want to get better can look for help, be it social, mental, or pharmacological. And thank God for that.

You - like almost every regular here - completely missed my point. You are not taking high-dose bac now yourself, are you? And low dose bac has not been shown to effective for alcoholism. Neurontin in multiple studies show the same.

Yes, bac, and everything else, will work for some, but not all. Surely, as an academic, you recognize the absurdity. Look at your first paragraph: AA works, bac works, doing nothing works. Why is high-dose bac, or any bac, a better treatment? Try everything? Why not an all-salmon-and-cream-cheese diet? At least it is gluten-free.

I retract my previous modifiers, and will just congratulate WCL for her success, however she got it done.

[onequart]

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I am puzzled about the level of vitriol directed against me. No I do not want to die drunk. I haven't had a drink for a couple of years, and I am still pretty healthy, so I likely will not die drunk.

What is it about bac that makes its accolades into moonie-like zealots? I don't see the Topamax or vitamin advocates go into the deep end.

[StuckinLA]

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onequart;1466846 wrote: Try everything? Why not an all-salmon-and-cream-cheese diet?

That is absurd. You obviously need to add bagels to that diet.

[onequart]

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StuckinLA;1466966 wrote: That is absurd. You obviously need to add bagels to that diet.

Thanks. I am going to give it a rest.

You do good.

[Otter]

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onequart;1466964 wrote: I am puzzled about the level of vitriol directed against me. No I do not want to die drunk. I haven't had a drink for a couple of years, and I am still pretty healthy, so I likely will not die drunk.

What is it about bac that makes its accolades into moonie-like zealots? I don't see the Topamax or vitamin advocates go into the deep end.

What is it about you that you have to insult people? There is nothing "moonie-like" about taking a medication which treats a serious illness successfully. You, coming here, saying it doesn't is ignorant, arrogant, insensitive and wrong. If you think that sort of behaviour is acceptable then go to a cancer forum and tell people they are wasting their time with chemo. Go on, do it. See what sort of a reaction you get.

[Cassander]

An Open Letter to Newbies, Lurkers, and...Everyone Else Too

Otter;1467022 wrote: What is it about you that you have to insult people? There is nothing "moonie-like" about taking a medication which treats a serious illness successfully. You, coming here, saying it doesn't is ignorant, arrogant, insensitive and wrong. If you think that sort of behaviour is acceptable then go to a cancer forum and tell people they are wasting their time with chemo. Go on, do it. See what sort of a reaction you get.

I like the cancer analogy, Otter and Xadrian. Over time medical science has discovered medical treatments for cancer that work, including chemotherapy and radiation. But before these treatments, cancer was thought to be incurable.

But chemo and radiation don't always work. There are some cancers that don't respond to existing treatments. There is an ongoing search for newer and better and more targeted therapies.

A cancer patient today would be crazy to resist medical treatment.

But if onequart(short) had his way, cancer patients might as well do nothing because doing nothing works as well as meds. Or they would go to Cancer Patients Anonymous and pray that making amends and beseeching a higher being would cure them. Or they would stop being sinful so that the cancer god would leave them alone. Or they would go to the Betty Ford Cancer Recovery Center, cough up $30,000, chill for a month with some other cancer patients, and be cured.

Right.

[ifulovelife2]

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Woohoo!!!! WTG WCL! Congrats on your sobriety, Windy. You're the dog's bollocks! :l

Onequart: I got your PM but I'm sorry I don't know of any med that'll stop your chronic masturbation. I really can't help you; you're on your own there...literally.

[joanna_d]

An Open Letter to Newbies, Lurkers, and...Everyone Else Too

moonie as in :moon: ? i for myself was always like that! (perhaps even more so before baclofen cured me of my alcoholism!)

(sorry, ignorance like that makes me giddy)

[onequart]

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Cassander;1467167 wrote: I like the cancer analogy, Otter and Xadrian. Over time medical science has discovered medical treatments for cancer that work, including chemotherapy and radiation. But before these treatments, cancer was thought to be incurable.

But chemo and radiation don't always work. There are some cancers that don't respond to existing treatments. There is an ongoing search for newer and better and more targeted therapies.

A cancer patient today would be crazy to resist medical treatment.

But if onequart(short) had his way, cancer patients might as well do nothing because doing nothing works as well as meds. Or they would go to Cancer Patients Anonymous and pray that making amends and beseeching a higher being would cure them. Or they would stop being sinful so that the cancer god would leave them alone. Or they would go to the Betty Ford Cancer Recovery Center, cough up $30,000, chill for a month with some other cancer patients, and be cured.

Right.

Completely wrong analogy. Cancer treatments are highly regimented and results are entered into national databases. We know what works and does not work. Thirty day residential rehab programs work no better than cheaper outpatient programs, if any of you care.

We know the cure rates of various cancer interventions. We know nothing about high-dose bac for alcoholism. No Google searches or ad hominem attacks change this fundamental fact. Yes, 10 of you are cured with high-dose bac! I am sure 10 have cured with AA, or the salmon/cheese diet I suggested.

I don't know if high-dose bac works or not. The (real) studies won't be out for years. I am not discouraging anyone from trying it.

[Otter]

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For the people here who have used baclofen when nothing else has helped all you are doing is making a fool of yourself. You miss the point completely. Chemo doesn't work for a lot of people and it has side effects. That doesn't mean that anyone who is undergoing treatment wants you telling them that because it doesn't work for you or someone you know, that they should abandon a medical approach to their illness in favour of mumbo jumbo. You seem completely obtuse and all you are doing is creating a bad atmosphere in a place people come for support, friendship and advice on a n incredibly effective treatment which is saving people's lives. You may not believe that but that just shows your inability to read and appreciate the posts on this forum.

[Otter]

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Hey, it worked. The mods deleted One Quart's post. I asked them to ban him/her so lets see. Hello...are you still out there? Anybody home? Helloooooo.....

[COSGringo]

An Open Letter to Newbies, Lurkers, and...Everyone Else Too

Good show Otter. I am glad there are mods still active.

Not sure it's worth debating with that individual or not.