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    Given the recent furore, which I was fortunate enough to miss most of, I thought it would be helpful to take a look at the evidence. On one hand we have people saying baclofen doesn?t work, or it works a little bit, and on the other we have people swearing by it. I started trawling the net, and collated the studies I could find, the results are as follows:

    The highest dose I could find that was tested was 60mg?s. They compared the results to both placebo and 30mg?s. The results were: ? Compared with patients allocated to placebo, patients allocated to the B10 mg group had a 53% reduction in the number of drinks per day (P < 0.0001) and patients allocated to the B20 mg group had a 68% reduction in the number of drinks per day (P < 0.0001), with respect to the number of drinks per day during the 28 days before randomization. The effect of baclofen 20 mg t.i.d. was greater than that of baclofen 10 mg t.i.d. (P = 0.0214, Wald test) showing a dose-effect relationship.? The link is here for anyone interested: Dose-response effect of baclofen in reducing daily alcohol intake in alcohol dependence: secondary analysis of a randomized, double-blind, placebo-controlled trial.

    Another one looked at the combined results of baclofen studies (I couldn?t see what studies they were referencing), and found ?Compared with placebo, subjects randomized to baclofen experienced higher rates of abstinence and lower anxiety scores; the effect of baclofen was statistically significant in two trials assessing patients with more severe alcohol dependence and non-significant in a trial of outpatients receiving concomitant manualized psychotherapy.? Presumably, the first study I referenced was one of the ones discussed in this report. They go on to say ?Though baclofen may hold promise, the different outcomes and sample populations of the three studies highlight the need for more research to better understand the appropriate target patient population to benefit from this medication. Questions still remain about optimal dosing and duration. There is not enough evidence to support the use of baclofen as a first-line treatment option, except for those alcohol-dependent patients with moderate-to-severe liver cirrhosis in whom other pharmacological treatments are not safe or practical.?

    There are quite a few other studies discussed on this site: Baclofen - Published Studies
    If anyone is interested in looking further. Summarising like this is more boring than I first thought it would be, so I?m stopping here. None of the studies report that baclofen is the be-all-and-end-all, but importantly, none of the studies go above 60mg?s. If we looked at the MWO baclofen experience as a whole, very few individuals would have benefitted in these studies, so it?s no surprise that the results are inconclusive. In fact, inconclusive is too strong a word; even at that paltry dose, results are impressive. That?s also the reason the studies tend to say that baclofen was ?fairly well tolerated.?

    I couldn?t find out what happened to the study in Holland. I would have thought it would be done by now. If anyone knows, or is able to track it down, I?d be very interested to know.

    Which brings me to case studies. Obviously these are inconclusive, and open to healthy scepticism. There is the one that started all of this, from Dr Amiesen, and then this one, SUPPRESSION OF SYMPTOMS OF ALCOHOL DEPENDENCE AND CRAVING USING HIGH-DOSE BACLOFEN
    , which is an interesting read. By themselves, they wouldn't convince me, but I have mine to add to the mix, and that one has me sold 100% on the efficacy of HDB.

    Hopefully someone can link to more studies, as I?m sure I have missed some interesting ones.

    Anyway, I have children to feed. Hopefully this can encourage a debate that is free from attacks and accusations, from both sides. I have read through this post, and realise that although my initial intention was an unbiased report, I have personalised it, obviously in favour in baclofen given what it has done for me, but so be it.

    I must just add, before I submit this, that my views have changed from when I first took baclofen. At the time, I was convinced that anyone who didn't immediately stop what they were doing and start baclofen was nuts. It is somewhat embarrassing to realise that I was like any new convert in my fervour; I now believe that it is one tool among many that are available, and each has its plusses and minuses. Saying that, I think some tools are better than others, and I believe baclofen to be one of the more effective tools available.

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    Here is one study from France, which sounds quite remarkable:

    Suppression of alcohol dependence using bac... [Front Psychiatry. 2012] - PubMed - NCBI

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      Good post.

      I can never understand why some people can't take a balanced view on things. To say in a matter of fact sort of way that it just doesn't comes across as just being ignorant. Its obvious that Baclofen does work and for a high percentage of people. The studies to me are an added bonus. I just need to take a look on here to see the proof I need. Some people must think this whole board is a conspiracy theory.

      I choose TSM as in a perfect world I'd like to be med free in the future. Its been wonderful as a damage limitation pill but I'm wondering lately if its really going to help me jump right off as my cravings have never from day 1 went down.

      Baclofen is looking more and more likely but I'm glad I went TSM first. You get the same crowd saying the same about TSM when its obvious it works. Not the high percentage certain studies say but it does work and there's people on here and the other board that are proof.

      I think there's a few bitter people who don't like to see other get better by whatever means which is sad.

      Haters Gonna Hate.

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        Hi bleep

        As usual (at least as far as I am concerned) we are on the same page.

        In my own words, taking the published studies, and the case reports, and the posts here on mwo into account, I conclude that HDB is a safe and very promising (if not already conclusively demonstrated to be effective) treatment regimen for alcoholism that is crying out for further study in order to (at least)

        (i) determine optimal dosages both in and during titration and maintenance,

        (ii) better understand the biochemical mechanism of action of baclofen in individuals who abuse or are dependent upon (addicted to) alcohol,

        (iii) better understand the kinds of individuals and conditions that are most likely to benefit from HDB,

        (iv) better understand the nature of side and adverse effects when HDB is administered both with and without regular alcohol consumption, including alcohol and mental health-related drug interactions, and

        (v) better understand the implications of long term HDB administration in alcoholics and the consequences of stopping HDB after reaching the "switch".

        As a better understanding of baclofen and HDB treatment in alcoholics is achieved, I hope for

        (i) better dissemination of information about HDB to the medical community, including to GPs and family practioners,

        (ii) appropriate regulatory labelling of baclofen to treat alcoholism so that it can be prescribed on-label by physicians without fear of liability,

        (iii) inclusion of HDB treatment (as well as other accepted medical treatments for alcoholism) as a regular part of alcohol rehabilitation programs offered by Betty Ford, Hazelden, Caron and the like,

        (iv) acceptance by Alcoholics Anonymous that HDB treatment (as well as other accepted medical treatments for alcoholism) can be critically important elements of its recovery program, and

        (v) continued research by the medical and pharmaceutical communities into related and other compounds that target the same kind of biochemical reaction that baclofen has within the brain, so that medical treatment of alcoholism is improved.

        As I have said before, I hope that Olivier Amiesen lives long enough to be honored with a Nobel Prize or other suitable commemoration for his contribution to finding a cure for the disease of alcoholism.

        Respectfully,

        Cassander
        With profound appreciation to Dr Olivier Ameisen for his brilliant insight and courageous determination

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          Hey Cass, same page, same line, same word!

          For sure, there is a long way to go. Your points deserve a bit more of a going over than I have time for right now, will try and come back tomorrow morning.

          Greg, thanks for that study, I've just finished reading it. Pretty strong results.

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            bleep;1479106 wrote:
            Greg, thanks for that study, I've just finished reading it. Pretty strong results.
            That paper is the first to describe the effects of baclofen on a large group of patients during an extensive period. Even the most pessimistic reader will agree that at least 50% of the patients have gone from "high risk" to "low risk" and stayed there. This is now the evidence that doctors need in order to prescribe high dose baclofen.
            The paper has already been discussed in https://www.mywayout.org/community/f2...hed-71177.html

            The second paper gives advice on appropriate dosage schemata.
            https://dl.dropbox.com/u/59463672/Prescribing-Guide-for-Baclofen-in-the-Treatment-of-Alcoholism-Don.pdf

            Cassander lists a number of areas where additional research is necessary but the "de Beaurepaire 100" is more than enough to settle any argument about whether baclofen works.

            My view with trolls is to ignore them and they will go away.

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              bleep;1479106 wrote: Hey Cass, same page, same line, same word!

              For sure, there is a long way to go. Your points deserve a bit more of a going over than I have time for right now, will try and come back tomorrow morning.

              Greg, thanks for that study, I've just finished reading it. Pretty strong results.
              Hi bleep

              I'm just wondering how you might restate/revise/improve the points I posted above. All others are welcome to chime in too. I'm thinking that if we had a really comprehensive statement of the status quo and of our goals, maybe we could use it to try to get others to understand why this is such an important, well, quest.

              Best, Cass
              With profound appreciation to Dr Olivier Ameisen for his brilliant insight and courageous determination

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                Hey Cass,

                There's nothing much I can really add. The how is less important to me than the why, but obviously it would be nice to have a concise explanation, and have this reaffirmed as a disease, and not just a consequence of poor choices. I have been having this debate with my folks, who have seen the difference a bit of medication makes, and still don't quite get it. If they, with enormous hands-on experience of the problem (and the solution) don't get it, I can only shudder with fear at the thought of taking this to a wider audience.

                I went recently to an NA meeting, and the people there are great. One of them knows I take baclofen and he is fine, but I wonder how welcome I would be if I mentioned my particular way out? Distressingly, Bill W. himself was a great proponent of chemical solutions, but that aspect of his teaching does not seem to have made it through to the current version of AA. They have this thing at the meeting where every member is praised for however long they have sober, and while I wouldn't mind going for a while, I wonder how long they will put up with a guy who seems to have his shit together, but is constantly on day 3 or 4.

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