Baclofen 'old timer' still struggling.

[Cassander]

Baclofen 'old timer' still struggling.

Yeah, they'll be the only two staring at their smartphones with their thumbs flying composing messages to mwo...

[Ne/Neva Eva]

Baclofen 'old timer' still struggling.

I think they're still using tin cans and string, Cass.

[bleep]

Baclofen 'old timer' still struggling.

What's a smartphone?

[Ne/Neva Eva]

Baclofen 'old timer' still struggling.

I sincerely hope that by the time we make it to Zim there is wifi.

How would we find our way anywhere? Or order take out? How do you answer trivia questions when there is a disagreement among friends at dinner in a restaurant? Or take a picture of the cat suddenly doing something funny?

Or not. Maybe not. hmmmm. I can't imagine.

[ignominious]

Baclofen 'old timer' still struggling.

Feel sleepy most of the time but don't get a full nights rest. Plus I am just not 'on my game'. This causes me a fair amount of angst which I would like to alleviate with alcohol.
Therefore I reduced my dose to 110 yesterday.
I really don't get a kick out of drinking the quantities I do nowadays but the urge to escape is still there and drinking is what I do. Its how I am defined.
Does anyone know people who have moderated on Baclofen for some time? I know the French forum had a section devoted to it.

[MaryGoRound]

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IG-

I so relate to your need to escape. I think the SEs from Bac make it worse.

My only advice is do not let your AL mind define you. I hear you say that that is just who you are but that is just another escape hatch your mind is creating for you. I only say that because I do it myself so I completely understand.

Are you reducing so you can get more of a kick or are you reducing because you want to get rid of the SEs?

[ignominious]

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Wonderful empathy Mary!

I was well aware as I was writing the post. My logical argument for reducing bac perfectly fits the scheming alcoholic mind. I can only say, to the best of my knowledge, that it is the right thing to do.

Certainly, if I start getting more "of a kick" the chances are high that I will drink more and more.
I shall have to watch myself carefully!

Having lived all my life in "flight or fight" mode, its very difficult for me to work out the difference between a flapping blanket and a tiger! I think I'm getting there but keep on making childish mistakes which are just not acceptable. Knowledge is power.

I shall have to work on the alcoholic stereotyping! Its so prevalent in my thoughts, the more so because I'm addressing the problem and I'm constantly reminded of it by anecdotes of my past. Maybe I just had a bad day yesterday!

Th reduced dose seems to help with my sleep. its 5 in the morning and I'm feeling fairly refreshed after 6 hours of sleep with only one interruption.

Bleep, you are such a 'glass half full' type of guy. Very refreshing. Hope you're doing well.

[Mayzay]

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Hello LL stranger...why do we feel like that.........??????????????????????

[ignominious]

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Hi Mayzay

Please tell me what LL stands for. I sometimes think that I feel like this because it is the only way a sane person would feel considering the state of this fucked up world.

[Otter]

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ignominious;1499521 wrote: Feel sleepy most of the time but don't get a full nights rest. Plus I am just not 'on my game'. This causes me a fair amount of angst which I would like to alleviate with alcohol.
Therefore I reduced my dose to 110 yesterday.
I really don't get a kick out of drinking the quantities I do nowadays but the urge to escape is still there and drinking is what I do. Its how I am defined.
Does anyone know people who have moderated on Baclofen for some time? I know the French forum had a section devoted to it.

When you say moderated I assume you mean drank moderately. You should speak to Phill Thomas. He is perfedtly ok with it.

[StuckinLA]

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I usually define 'moderately' as 'I actually woke up this morning at home, and even in my bed'. How do you think of it?

[lakelover]

Baclofen 'old timer' still struggling.

Newby here - just wanted to pop in and say hi, and thanks for the posts.

I just ordered some bac today, should arrive in a couple of weeks.

My goal is moderation long-term, and I'm also hoping the bac will help with anxiety / depression. It sounds as though it may actually increase my depression? I'm fairly sure my depression is mild, and caused by the alcohol I drank the previous night, so if I can reduce / eliminate the alcohol I hope the depression goes away as well. Your thoughts?

In any case, good luck and God bless,
LL

[StuckinLA]

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What's up, LL? Yeah it doesn't really increase depression. There's a chance it will increase your anxiety but only a little chance. The big issues is that it will, will, if you take it long enough and enough of it, stop your drinking.

The problem then is all the shit you were trying to mask with your drinking in the first place. Or, then also the boredom that comes with not drinking. I mean, can you imagine sitting IN a bar with a bartender who likes you and whom you want desperately to bang, and all she wants is for you to stay and hang out and drink, and you can see no point to staying there because you just don't give a shit about the AL? And you've drank your fill of tonic water and cranberry juice and she's kept on refilling your water glass to keep you there but you're just, simply, bored? You can't think of a reason to stay, and so you go home to your empty apartment and sit there, sober, and wonder about the world and your place in it. When previously you would have sat with her until the late-night hours and been drunk and at least had some fantasy about being with her.

That's the only reason you might have depression going up. You'll lose the co-ordinates of your fantasies. But what you will gain is a feeling of fucking peace--finally--and you won't have to fight anymore.

You won't have to fight the desire to drink. You won't have to fight the feeling of being sick and hungover. You won't have to fight the voice in your head, every day, about getting drunk or not getting drunk. That voice goes away. So the real question, unfortunately, is are you ready to be yourself? And who are you?

That's really shitty of me to do, and I'm sorry. It does remind me, though, of this documentary I watched a little while back. If you're not familiar with recent English literature, my apologies: Jerry Stahl finally got clean, and so he's sitting there being interviewed for a documentary on Hugh Selby Jr., and Jerry tells the interviewer something he learned. He said that Hugh told him, just after he got clean and sober, that it's after you get clean that you find out how dark you are. Because there's no buffer between you and the darkness anymore.

I think, honestly, in retrospect, this is the worst post I could possibly put on your thread. I'm still going to leave it here, and say that if you want to know what kind of asshole I am you can read my thread.

And then I'm going to say do it anyway. Because you don't know how good it might be if you try. You'll never know if you don't do it. You have a worldwide community here to support you, who care about you even though we've never met you, and we'll walk you through the whole goddamned process. So, what was your question?

Moderating?

Yeah, whatever you want, we're here to help. Sorry for this really long, asshole-ish response. But :welcome:

[kronkcarr]

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Hi, ignominious, lakelover and all,

Thanks for this thread. lakelover, welcome. I'd like to answer you in depth and it may be better if you start your own thread. Just go in the upper left of your screen and click on New Thread. I think you may get more responses that way.

ignominious, I need to go back to the start of your thread and I'll be back. I think there are some real gems here that I've missed. Thanks again.

[Otter]

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I wasn't sure if you were referring to moderating your baclofen.

I would have categorized moderate as something which allowed one to remember what had happened for the last two weeks and to use the toilet.

Baclofen is good for reducing the laundry bill.