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    I thought I would share this post from another forum. I won't say where!

    My recipe for Baclofen to withdraw from opiates
    ***I am not a medical professional, and the information below is based on my own lengthy experience with withdrawals. I have no idea if it will work for everyone, but it worked for me. Also, every medication listed I either have a prescription for or it is an OTC medication.***

    Let me first give you some background regarding my situation before I tell you how baclofen has been my savior. I've been dependent on opiates for 2+ years due to several injuries to L-4, L-5, and S-1. When I wake up in the morning (with opiates or without), I cannot walk until I stretch for 30 or so minutes. Then, I walk like a scarecrow until the meds kick in and I can function normally. At this point, I am on 40 mg of oxycodone IR per day, broken up over 4 times daily. This barely takes the edge off the pain, but my doctor is resistant to raising my dose, even though my psychiatrist has urged her to increase it based on how much the pain affects my mental health. As a result, I take more than is prescribed to keep my pain at a manageable level, resulting in running out of meds 10-13 days before my next dosage (yes, I know the ridiculousness of that mindset - I am an intelligent woman but the pain gets the best of me most of the time). These withdrawal periods have been absolute HELL in the past. I researched and researched on the 'net, and tried different variations of the "recipes" I found (btw, the Thomas Recipe? Total crap IMHO. Clonidine dropped my blood pressure so low I was practically catatonic). Recently, I discovered a combination that allowed me to get through the withdrawal period with ZERO effects. ZERO.

    I am freely sharing my recipe, however I have to stress that it may not work for anyone. I am on a relatively low dose of opiates, and my withdrawal re-occurs pretty much every month so my body may be used to this process. I am posting this info because I know how horrible the withdrawal period can be, and if it helps one person then I feel justified. The only thing I ask is that you legally obtain the ingredients. I know many of you can find these things on the street, but it was absurdly easy to gain access to baclofen as it is not a controlled substance and it's a very mild muscle relaxer. The Klonopin may be harder, but if you are addicted to opiates, chances are you likely have some form of anxiety issue. See either your primary physician or a psychiatrist.

    Please note that some of the ingredients are well beyond their recommended dose and may seem as though they would cause discomfort at such doses. In my case, they did not.

    My recipe (cut your day into thirds to determine your times):
    Morning:
    3 10 mg of Baclofen
    1 Tagamet or Prilosec - or whatever long-acting acid reducer that works for you
    1 1 mg Klonopin*
    3 Immodium AD tabs** (6 mg loperimide) buy the generic since you will be using so much
    Anti-depressant (such as Lexapro, which is what I take) if you can gain access

    Afternoon:
    2 10 mg of Baclofen
    1 1 mg Klonopin*

    Evening (about an hour or so before bed, so the meds have a chance to kick in before you lie down):
    3 10 mg of Baclofen
    1 acid reducer
    2 1 mg Klonopin*
    3 Immodium AD tabs** (6 mg loperimide)

    Take your morning dose immediately after waking. The first few days, this recipe will likely make you extremely tired. I slept most of the first two days. Since my family doesn't know of my problem, I told them I had a flu and the sleep certainly proved it since I'm normally fairly busy. By day three, you should be waking up a bit and feeling normal. I never once felt cravings, aches, chills, or my most dreaded symptom of all - restless legs. You should be able to sleep comfortably at night, and I completely avoided the body-drenching sweats. In fact, I'm nicely regulated; something I have a problem with ON the opiates - I'm always hot. Now, here's the catch....I don't know how to get off this recipe. I continue it until the time comes for my oxy script to renew and then just quit cold turkey (except the klonopin and anti-depressant since those are regular meds for me). I tried cutting back (titrating) last month, and ended up with the worst restless legs EVER that lasted for over a week. Since that is the WORST symptom for me, it was hell. So, it's up to those of you who are using this recipe to make withdrawal more tolerable to figure out how to taper this down. I would recommend the baclofen first, then the immodium, then the benzo. One warning about baclofen - the longer you stay on it, the more chance you could experience bladder control issues. Baclofen relaxes the smooth muscles, which is what the bladder is comprised of. Trust me, I know first hand! Good luck, and my hope is that if you are using opiates recreationally, you will heed my warning - the longer you use, the harder it is to get off and the more you need to just feel normal. It WILL kill you if you don't kick it. The really sucky thing is, if you are injured and need opiates for pain, you will need herculean doses because you've set your tolerance threshold so high. Get off then NOW.


    *You can choose any tranquilizer you can get access of, but Klonopin has a very long half-life (+/- 30-40 HOURS), ensuring that the drug is always in your system, so you won't find discomfort through the night). I already take it for anxiety, so use your own judgement in trying to gain LEGAL doses of these meds if you can. Also, Klonopin (and all other forms of benzodiazepine) is highly addictive, so please take it with caution.

    **There has been some negative feedback regarding high doses of Immodium (loperimide). I intentionally kept the dose fairly low (most posts recommended 10 mg or higher!) in order to try to avoid too much constipation. Honestly, I didn't experience any worse constipation than when I was taking opiates. Loperimide is supposedly an opiate, but because it doesn't cross the blood brain barrier (ie get you high), it's not controlled like most opiates. It does, however, affect the opiate receptors in the GI tract, which means your body is receiving some form of opiate. I'm far from a professional, but it's my opinion that is why most of the withdrawal symptoms (shakes, runny nose, restless legs, etc.) are eliminated.

    One last thing - a lot of people suggest using medications that includediphenhydramine (Benadryl, Tylenol PM, etc.) as a substitute for benzos. Diphenhydramine exacerbates restless legs, so I would recommend against using it. You can either admit to your doctor that you are withdrawing from opiates and request a small dose of benzo to get through, or let them know that you are experiencing severe anxiety (which you will be in withdrawal - we all know that desperate, anxious feeling when you know the symptoms are coming) to see if they will prescribe for you. Benzos are an important ingredient in any withdrawal recipe as there is a great amount of mental anguish as the drug leaves our system. Just please - remember they are as addictive as opiates, and should only be used for a short time in regulated amounts.
    BACLOFENISTA

    baclofenuk.com

    http://www.theendofmyaddiction.org





    Olivier Ameisen

    In addiction, suppression of symptoms should suppress the disease altogether since addiction is, as he observed, a "symptom-driven disease". Of all "anticraving medications used in animals, only one - baclofen - has the unique property of suppressing the motivation to consume cocaine, heroin, alcohol, nicotine and d-amphetamine"

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    Baclofen for opiate addiction

    To add to this Otter:

    A member, Revolting Rich, used baclofen to come off heroin. The last I spoke to him, he had successfully stopped, but had also stopped baclofen due to the SE's, I'll see if I can find out what the latest is, and report back...

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      #3
      Baclofen for opiate addiction

      I've spoken to him, and he is still free from heroin, but it has nothing to do with baclofen. A clinic in Mexico provided the way out, if anyone is interested.

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        Baclofen for opiate addiction

        Otter, why have you posted this here? Why have you posted it at all? There are many accounts of ways to use drugs to do one thing or another in order to accomplish whatever. Shall we start collecting them and passing them on as suggestions?

        I've seen at least three complete and utter meltdowns related to the use/misuse of a couple of the drugs mentioned in that post. And in all three cases it was prescribed and had a physicians oversight.

        Plus, we have Revolting Rich's account of initially successful baclofen use for the specific purpose which is so much more legitimate than offering a "recipe". (Is the guy still clean? When was it posted? Klonopin and Tagamet??? Really?) There are at least two other accounts of opiate addicts on here, neither of whom found lasting success. And in one case, he is apparently out there suggesting creative uses for baclofen in much the same way.
        I'm pretty sure he was banned from Bluelight, no small feat, but is on some other website purportedly to help people get clean. But he suggests taking baclofen only on certain days when the moon is full, or some such nonsense. I'd think it might be the same guy, but it's much too random...There are dozens of such things, right?

        Please Otter. Please.

        I'm glad to hear that Rich is free, bleep. Sorry it took a trip and not simply baclofen. Best to him if it's appropriate and he might remember me.

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          Baclofen for opiate addiction

          Ne/Neva Eva;1482958 wrote: Otter, why have you posted this here? Why have you posted it at all? There are many accounts of ways to use drugs to do one thing or another in order to accomplish whatever. Shall we start collecting them and passing them on as suggestions?
          Now we have baclofen for binge-eating, and quite right to!

          All addictions can easily lead to other addictions, these problems are intimately interrelated.

          Carry on Otter, it's all grist to the mill.

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            Baclofen for opiate addiction

            Well, I gotta' say, I'm grateful for every bit of information, and especially someone's direct experience, about baclofen for other addictions. That kind of information and experience is even more scarce than its use for dying alcoholics. If MWO isn't the place to share stuff like this, I have no clue where to go. But I will go there, if someone will point me in the right direction.

            Seems as if Otter's post crosses some kind of "line" for you, Ne. Maybe you can articulate exactly what that is? I mean, we have seen some pretty wild uses of baclofen for alcohol on this board that no one could or would pass along as "suggestions." But it's what people did, and in some cases, what saved their lives. And sometimes saved other people's lives. And in my case, specifically, gave me enough information to make my way through a massive (accidental) overdose of bac. I think the guy that posted information about going to the ER was later labeled "troll," or something; but I'm tellin' 'ya true, if I hadn't read and believed what he wrote, I could have been truly screwed for a long time, instead of just having a miserable night.

            It sounds kind of weird to say, but I was thrilled to read the "testimonial" from another opiate addict on your website, Otter. And I am currently working with a young woman, along with a D.O. and a therapist who specializes in working with trauma, to see if baclofen IS helpful for food addiction. And so far, so good, I'm happy to report. Hopefully there will be a time when it's appropriate to report this case study of 1.

            I certainly agree with Ne's point that the report above is somewhere near the edge of an envelop about which very little is known, and it is important that it be identified as such. But there seems to be a healthy dose of "don't do this at home, alone." Which is also advice I think is relevant for anyone taking the HDB path. Although I see many, if not most, bac'sters head down the path without informing folks around them. Sometimes we just gotta' do what we've gotta' do. And sometimes we save our lives. And sometimes, just a glimmer of information makes all the difference in, well . . . the whole world.
            "Wherever you are is the entry point." --Kabir

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              Baclofen for opiate addiction

              Hi

              The post was from a major drugs forum but I noticed a MWO regular there so don't want to raise issues around that. So, if it is being bandied about on that forum, then it is starting to spread to other addictions. Pascal Gramme set up a baclofen web site in Belgium a few years ago after using baclofen to come off opiate, in his case codeine, effortlessly, after it nearly the addiction nearly ruined his life. I have been involved professionally advising heroin addicts since about 1990, all of whom would have done much better on baclofen than the treatments they were given and the Subutex treatment (Subudone) results in addiction itself and isn't nice. I had a long dialogue with a man in Arkansas a couple of years ago who came off Subudone with the use of baclofen.

              Also, if you look at what Ameisen says, he has discovered that it is a "craving" mechanism in the brain which is calmed by baclofen so this is something which is common to many addictions. The first use of baclofen Ameisen mentions in his book is the work done by Dr. Childress with cocaine addiction. If you look at the Wiki entry for Ameisen you see a Nobel Laureate supporting him:
              "Reception
              In 2007, an Italian team has demonstrated the effectiveness and the safety of baclofen as a treatment for alcohol-addiction[5]
              Ameisen's treatment model has been praised by Nobel laureate for Medicine Jean Dausset who said, "Ameisen has discovered the cure for addiction"

              Baclofen is being used in London for GBL and GHB addiction at the Party Drug Clinic which is an NHS clinic.

              I don't know what the fuss is about. Heroin has a drug treatment, Subudone/Subutex, so baclofen is not such a hot topic there but that doesn't mean it isn't going to be picked up by heroin addicts just as it is with alcoholism. If you read the Talk page for baclofen on Wiki baclofen has apparently been used by Russian cocaine addicts for years to deal with withdrawal.

              Knowledge is power. If posting about baclofen helps someone come off heroin, then that is a good thing. And what choice is there at the moment for most but to "do it at home, alone", sadly...
              BACLOFENISTA

              baclofenuk.com

              http://www.theendofmyaddiction.org





              Olivier Ameisen

              In addiction, suppression of symptoms should suppress the disease altogether since addiction is, as he observed, a "symptom-driven disease". Of all "anticraving medications used in animals, only one - baclofen - has the unique property of suppressing the motivation to consume cocaine, heroin, alcohol, nicotine and d-amphetamine"

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                Baclofen for opiate addiction

                Here is the very sad position of the Scottish Government in respect of baclofen use for alcoholism and my response (I promised Mr. Clark I would post his response on a public forum):


                ...I?m sorry if my letter was unclear. You have referred to the remit in your email. I should clarify that this is the remit of the SMC, not the Scottish Government Health Directorates as you have suggested. Also, in your email to Maureen Stark at the SMC, you state that I advised that ?the SMC has no remit to advise the profession about new indications for drugs licensed after 2002?. In fact, my letter explained that the remit of the SMC is to provide advice to NHS Boards and their Area Drug and Therapeutic Committees across Scotland about the status of all newly licensed medicines, all new formulations of existing medicines and new indications for established products (licensed from January 2002). The remit does not include the provision of advice to doctors on the use of off-licence medication.

                I have been copied into the email Maureen Stark sent to you earlier today which accurately explains the position and I have nothing to usefully add to the information contained in Maureen?s email.

                I hope this is helpful.

                Regards.

                Gordon Clark
                Scottish Government Health Directorates
                Pharmacy and Medicines Division
                St Andrew?s House
                Regent Road
                Edinburgh
                EH1 3DG
                Tel: 0131 244 2523


                Dear Mr. Clark

                I apologize if I am misconceiving your department's remit. I don't understand your response. I wrote to the SMC on the advice of my GP, Dr N... ... who has been prescribing baclofen under the direction of both Drs. Jonathan Chick, the former head of NHS Lothian Psyciatry and editor of the Oxford Journal on Alcohol and Alcoholism, and Dr. Mathes Heydtmann Ph.D. who, along with Dr.Chick and other doctors, is using baclofen to treat chronic liver disease at the Royal Alexandra Hospital in Paisley. I had taken it upon myself to arrange for the translation into English of the results of a 1500 patient study into the use of baclofen to treat alcoholism in France. The doctors involved in that study, headed by Renaud de Beaurepaire have approved the translation as the official English version of their report and prescribing guide. That study lead to the French alcohol agency changing its position and advising doctors to begin prescribing baclofen off licence for alcoholism. It also precipitated the trials which are now underway in France to have baclofen licenced for alcoholism, in that country. After I alerted NICE to this, they referred baclofen to a newly set up committee to consider whether advice should be given on the best evidence for prescribing off licence medications. The approved version of the prescribing guide is now being circulated on an ad hoc basis, having been posted on various forums and internet sites relating to alcoholism treatment.

                You have now written to me advising that the SMC has no role in this "new indication" for baclofen. I don't know whether this is because the drug was licensed before 2002 or because, in your words, it is "off licence". I would suggest that all "new indications" are initially "off licence" so that makes little sense to me. If the remit is limited by date then this appears to me to be an arbitrary fettering of the discretion of the SMC. If you are unaware of this concept I would commend this article to you which describes the "illegality" of such action by government agencies: http://www.publiclawproject.org.uk/d...eGroundsJR.pdf

                I will quote from the article which shows that you are indicating the SMC are, in fact, acting illegally:

                "Here, illegality can occur where the action, failure to act or decision in question violates the
                public law principles set down by the courts for processes of this kind. These principles require
                public bodies to:
                ... ensure that they have not fettered their discretion by for example applying a very rigid
                policy as if it were legislation."

                I would also point out that the failure to act in relation to this issue is more than likely to result in deaths. Indeed, it is certain to. Your position in respect of the remit of the SMC appears indefensible and you seem to gloss very lightly over the issue of the failure of this body to investigate a new indication when the most senior addictions researchers in this country use this medication and have published numerous paper on the drug.

                Your email is also remarkable because you point out that the Scottish Government Health Directorates has no similar limitation on its remit. You fail, however, to respond to the substance of my enquiry, which is why, when this medication is being used in Scotland by senior, respected doctors to treat alcoholism, the Scottish Government is doing nothing at all either to assist in its use, advise doctors of its potential in this area or even make enquiries about the medication.

                Your department is now on notice of this development, and the use of the drug in other countries. The drug is being used by doctors in Scotland and is being self prescribed by patients obtaining the drug over the internet. This is an extraordinary situation. My own GP advised that the prescribing guide should be made known to the medical profession but you seem to feel there is no need. Is that the case? This seems like an incredibly negligent position for a civil servant charged with a duty of care in public health matters to take.

                Could you please advise me whether your immediate superior/line manager is aware of this position as I consider your position to be a gross dereliction of your and your department's duties.

                I am sending a copy of this letter, as advised, to my MSP.

                I look forward to hearing from you.

                Yours sincerely



                ...please feel free to comment. Perhaps these people can be shamed into doing something!!!
                BACLOFENISTA

                baclofenuk.com

                http://www.theendofmyaddiction.org





                Olivier Ameisen

                In addiction, suppression of symptoms should suppress the disease altogether since addiction is, as he observed, a "symptom-driven disease". Of all "anticraving medications used in animals, only one - baclofen - has the unique property of suppressing the motivation to consume cocaine, heroin, alcohol, nicotine and d-amphetamine"

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                  Baclofen for opiate addiction

                  Colin;1483170 wrote: Now we have baclofen for binge-eating, and quite right to!

                  All addictions can easily lead to other addictions, these problems are intimately interrelated.

                  Carry on Otter, it's all grist to the mill.
                  Thanks, Colin. I am not sure what the objection is of one of our senior members. I am puzzled.
                  BACLOFENISTA

                  baclofenuk.com

                  http://www.theendofmyaddiction.org





                  Olivier Ameisen

                  In addiction, suppression of symptoms should suppress the disease altogether since addiction is, as he observed, a "symptom-driven disease". Of all "anticraving medications used in animals, only one - baclofen - has the unique property of suppressing the motivation to consume cocaine, heroin, alcohol, nicotine and d-amphetamine"

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                    #10
                    Baclofen for opiate addiction

                    I'm curious as to whether or not you guys actually read the accounts? The chick with the eating disorder never came back after her original posts.
                    And the woman who is proposing a way to get off of opiates is referring to avoiding withdrawals for the days that she is without medications for her pain. She's suggesting taking 4mg of klonopin, as well as 80mg of baclofen, an antidepressant, and some other things related to indigestion.

                    Knowledge is power.

                    I received via email today (because I'm actually having this discussion elsewhere at the moment) a study done in 2003 in Iran (interesting!) related to treating opiate addiction with 60mg of bac for 12 weeks. I think we can all agree that 60mg isn't...enough. But in studies of alcoholics there IS an effect. In the study I'm referring to, it had no impact on the very few people that finished the study. It did, however, impact their drinking.

                    And Otter, all due respect to the man for offering the first glimpse of a way out, there is a lot that has happened since that seminal book was written. A whole hell of a lot.

                    Don't get me wrong. I am in full support of people trying to find a way out of the hell that they're in using baclofen if that's their bent. But effective? Treatment? hmmmm.

                    Let's not pretend, as some of us are wont to do, that bac treats all things. And furthermore, let's please not forget that this medication is difficult to take and can have serious consequences. You all (or at least two of you) know me well enough to know that I BELIEVE bac is a panacea in so many ways. The research that Otter has unearthed over the last couple of years is fascinating. But most of it's irrelevant to most of this. We could all agree that what is relevant should be much more widely disseminated. But a random post from another forum, used without her permission, and copied here on a forum primarily for alcoholics, suggesting large doses of drugs with serious consequences? Come on now.

                    All of which stemmed from a post I should have ignored because it's really pointless. If someone shows up looking for information about treatment for opiate addiction (or eating disorders) there are several places to look for information right here. (Not sure why they would, but it has happened.) And I would gladly share my experience, such as it is, in the ways and means and whys of baclofen for alcohol in case there is a correlation. There very well might be.

                    In the case of opiates, however, I'm pretty sure that they work on different receptors than both alcohol and cocaine. And baclofen. But I don't have the time to look that up. You don't have to take my word for it, google is free.

                    Knowledge IS power. Common sense is also powerful. I just get annoyed with Otter's often random tangents. (Sorry, Otter.) I should've let it slide.

                    Really, really, nice job, Otter, with the letter. It's an inspiration. You rock in so many ways.

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                      Baclofen for opiate addiction

                      Short version:

                      It's really moot and I shouldn't have responded in the first place.

                      There is ample evidence, starting with the rats way back when, about the effects of baclofen related to alcohol and cocaine. I don't believe that any such evidence is available for opiates or eating disorders.

                      Again, the whole thing is really irrelevant. The woman who wrote that post was quoted without permission. She's not looking to cure her addiction, she's looking to stave off the massive withdrawals that are a result of running out of her pain medication. That's interesting and sad. But completely worthless in terms of obtaining knowledge. (For instance, we can say with a certain amount of clarity that klonopin, a very powerful benzo, is good for withdrawals. As is baclofen. We know this. And research backs it up. But for treatment? That wasn't her point and there isn't anything to back that up, at all.)

                      And one important thing to be noted that I missed in the long version above: She is having trouble titrating down. (No shock! Hayzeus!) So what then? She's taking the opiates, when she has them, and bac, and klonopin. I feel badly for her. I wish she could get better treatment for her pain. But what she wrote about baclofen? I wish she'd done some more research...Sounds like it might bite her in the ass. Hard.

                      RedT, there are two accounts of people with compulsive eating finding some relief. One is Isolde. I'm not sure she's interested in discussing it, but she might if you want a firsthand account.

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                        #12
                        Baclofen for opiate addiction

                        Thanks for posting this Otter, I found it a worthwhile read.

                        As a former heroin addict, I can attest that many aspects of addiction are similar; whatever the chosen drug happens to be.
                        Started Baclofen 3/9/10 Hit my switch at 250mg on 21/11/10 Present maintenance dose of 50mg : started drinking after 1 year, upped dose to 80mg and stopped: Tapered to 30mg, started 6 months of drinking, upped dose to 240mg to stop 12/7/12

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                          #13
                          Baclofen for opiate addiction

                          Thanks.

                          The "governement" treatment, back in the day, for someone with an alcoholic addiction was the same as for heroin, you went to a counselling course run by an addictions nurse who would say that the issues were the same, except that the alcoholics never turned up or if they did, they were turned away because they were obviously under the influence. Then came subutex and the police began acting as counselors. A diversion scheme was set up so that heroin addicts were not prosecuted but were taken to a doctor. The UK government jumped on the bandwagon because it allowed the police to get on top of drug related crime. They eventually set up the "Tough Choices" program: http://www.homeoffice.gov.uk/publica...Qs?view=Binary

                          So if a serious addiction which is actually "illegal" can be dealt with by way of medication then why not an addiction to a "legal" substance where people generally don't go out and burgle homes to buy their substance of abuse??? It is institutionalized hypocrisy.
                          BACLOFENISTA

                          baclofenuk.com

                          http://www.theendofmyaddiction.org





                          Olivier Ameisen

                          In addiction, suppression of symptoms should suppress the disease altogether since addiction is, as he observed, a "symptom-driven disease". Of all "anticraving medications used in animals, only one - baclofen - has the unique property of suppressing the motivation to consume cocaine, heroin, alcohol, nicotine and d-amphetamine"

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                            #14
                            Baclofen for opiate addiction

                            Ne/Neva Eva;1483487 wrote: Short version:

                            It's really moot and I shouldn't have responded in the first place.

                            There is ample evidence, starting with the rats way back when, about the effects of baclofen related to alcohol and cocaine. I don't believe that any such evidence is available for opiates or eating disorders.

                            Again, the whole thing is really irrelevant. The woman who wrote that post was quoted without permission. She's not looking to cure her addiction, she's looking to stave off the massive withdrawals that are a result of running out of her pain medication. That's interesting and sad. But completely worthless in terms of obtaining knowledge. (For instance, we can say with a certain amount of clarity that klonopin, a very powerful benzo, is good for withdrawals. As is baclofen. We know this. And research backs it up. But for treatment? That wasn't her point and there isn't anything to back that up, at all.)

                            And one important thing to be noted that I missed in the long version above: She is having trouble titrating down. (No shock! Hayzeus!) So what then? She's taking the opiates, when she has them, and bac, and klonopin. I feel badly for her. I wish she could get better treatment for her pain. But what she wrote about baclofen? I wish she'd done some more research...Sounds like it might bite her in the ass. Hard.

                            RedT, there are two accounts of people with compulsive eating finding some relief. One is Isolde. I'm not sure she's interested in discussing it, but she might if you want a firsthand account.
                            I honestly cannot believe you posted such an ill informed statement about baclofen and heroin. I googled Heroin and baclofen and got the following results, try it yourself, becaue there is a huge amount on it and you seem to constantly misrepresent the function of baclofen even though Ameisen says it works for herion addiciton:

                            Baclofen for maintenance treatment of opioid dependence: A ...
                            National Center for Biotechnology Information ? Journal List ? BMC Psychiatry ? v.3; 2003by SM Assadi - 2003 - Cited by 41 - Related articles
                            Nov 18, 2003 ? Moreover, one study has reported that baclofen reduces self-administration of heroin in rats [10] and two other studies have shown that ...
                            Baclofen for opiate withdrawal... - Topix
                            Baclofen for opiate withdrawal... - Topix
                            20 posts - 7 authors - 6 Dec 2011
                            Baclofen really worked for me, but I was in a frame of mind and spirit that ... 9-20-07 last day I used heroin- started methadone 2 years weand ...
                            Baclofen Inhibits Heroin Self-Administration Behavior and ...
                            jpet.aspetjournals.org/content/290/3/1369.fullby ZX Xi - 1999 - Cited by 171 - Related articles
                            Sep 1, 1999 ? Microinjections of baclofen into the ventral tegmental area (VTA), but not the nucleus accumbens, decreased heroin reinforcement as indicated ...
                            Opioids and GABA-B agonists [Archive] - Bluelight
                            Bluelight - The Front Page ? ... ? Drug Discussion ? Advanced Drug Discussion
                            32 posts - 17 authors - 31 May 2010
                            Baclofen Inhibits Heroin Self-Administration Behavior and Mesolimbic Dopamine Release 1. Zheng-Xiong Xi1 and 2. Elliot A. Stein1,2,3,4 ...
                            Combinations - 1st time heroin, baclofen & withdrawals - Drugs Forum
                            Drugs-forum ? ... ? Opiates & Opioids ? Heroin
                            6 posts - 4 authors - 26 Jul 2012
                            Also, he's taking baclofen daily from the recent period of roxicodone withdrawals. So since he was ddicted to another opiate, will it make him ...
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                            In addiction, suppression of symptoms should suppress the disease altogether since addiction is, as he observed, a "symptom-driven disease". Of all "anticraving medications used in animals, only one - baclofen - has the unique property of suppressing the motivation to consume cocaine, heroin, alcohol, nicotine and d-amphetamine"

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                              Baclofen for opiate addiction

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